Moderator

Please close. Thanks!

Well, "executives" past and current ALL seem to have no problem changing and making laws (ie. executive orders) and if those laws were unconstitutional one would think someone would have challenged them. Even governors do that.

https://www.phe.gov/s3/law/Pages/ExecOrders.aspx

Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. ... They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities.

An executive order, no matter how much you love it, is still not a law. Simple concept.

It shouldn't be a choice indoors. And it would be a much better country if there was more of a sense of the common good.

Not unconstitutional and he has been a superb role model for mask-wearing!! Have you b been on another planet for the last year?

He's likely been on this planet but watching the wrong channel. ;)

Hmm, for the past 4 years it sure seemed so but I guess something might have recently changed. ;)

I wholeheartedly agree that there should be no choice when it comes to wearing masks indoors. INDOORS is when it is most important, especially when social distancing is not guaranteed. Our discussion has been about wearing masks OUTDOORS at the mail centers.

Your choice............

' News flash...............the President cannot make or change law.
Government 101

This might be off topic- who is going to enforce the mask wearing on Federal property?

“England is MANDATING a SEVERE lockdown and it has NOT STOPPED this NEW variant. So, "sport fans" if you do NOT want a SEVERE lockdown with no nightly square entertainment and no golfing for eagles, then logic says you should moderate your behavior and do NOT even ever question what the medical experts say”

Interesting. You point out that England has imposed SEVERE lockdowns and they are not working. So your solution would be to implement SEVERE lockdowns here...
What do they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results...

In Yellowstone National Park it will probably be Yogi and Boo-boo:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I think they live at Jellystone, not Yellowstone.

Your neighbors thank you

Its the usual mask vs no mask debate. Most people with common sense who care about others will wear a mask for the 2 minutes it takes to pick up the mail. As far as the person working inside the postal station, while they are in there, if by themselves sorting mail, whatever, it makes sense they don't need to wear a mask. If someone knocks on the door and they have to help out a customer, for example, they should put a mask on. With the new federal guidelines in place, I think that would make it mandatory for employees to wear a mask when dealing with customers. The bottom line is we are trying as a nation to contain the virus. Masks are PROVEN to help in this regard. People can by asymptomatic and still be shedding the virus, which is why it is important to wear the mask to protect others. And wearing the mask gives some protection to you if you are near someone who is shedding the virus. Until everyone is vaccinated, it makes sense to wear a mask. We all know it is a pain in the a$$ to wear the friggin mask, but let's just do it, get vaccinated, and get back to normal. Those of you who don't wear a mask are just prolonging things for the rest of the country. I see people wandering around the Squares, no masks, sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bars, no masks, and think "what does it take to get through to people?"

We can say ass. It isn't a forbidden word on this forum.

We have been informed that it takes at at least 10 minutes of close contact without a mask to contract the original form of the virus. Has anyone heard how long it takes with this variant that is much more communicable? Is it 5 minutes? Is it 1 minute? Is it 30 seconds? Just how bad is this variant when it comes to transmission?

You will never convince those that worship the mask. Now we're back to "selfish, uncaring, un-American" if you don't wear a mask in a useless scenario, or rather when the maskophiliacs say you should. If I remember correctly, the last group that dictated what to do for another owned plantations.....

:clap2:

Scientists are studying the virus, but still do not know everything about it. Guidelines were established and changed based on what they do know, and continue to find out.
Back in October the CDC documented cases where the virus was spread with ONE minute of contact. It could be that the virus was spread with multiple encounters of one minute, or that the person with the virus was a super spreader and shedding an awful lot of the virus. So that is another reason masks are recommended. If you are a super spreader, you may not know since you are asymptomatic. Clearly, anyone who cares even a little bit about others, would not take chances and would take precautions, i.e. either stay away from people, or wear a mask when chancing a closer than 6 feet encounter. At the post office, people can walk around the corner and almost run into someone else. So you are not only protecting others, you are protecting yourself. Is that clear enough?

Clear. Erroneous, but clear

The only thing that is clear is that some people have no facts to present. The rest of us believe in science.

Sorry that you don't understand "the science", but it is clear that you have some "beliefs"

Do some actual research and see how many documented cases of the viral transfer occurred outdoors. Look at those countries that have done extensive contact tracing. If you “believe in science” you should really educate yourself on the subject...

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that.

I listen to the experts who recommend wearing masks. If you feel comfortable possibly spreading the virus to others by not wearing masks, suit yourself. My conscience would never allow me to do that. But for the record, look at all the political rallies, motorcycle rallies, etc., in the past year, where people didn't wear masks outdoors. They were documented to be big super spreader events. Presidential rallies alone led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths.

One: I don't believe anyone is recommending wearing a mask 24 hours in a day. They recommend wearing masks under certain conditions such as indoors with people not in your family and outdoors where social distancing cannot be maintained. "Social distancing" is usually defined as greater than 6 feet of separation and less than 15 minutes total time less than six feet.

Two: Those were not "documented" "big super-spreader" events, at least not that I was able to find. There were some statistical analysis done which suggested that apparent increases in the number of cases following those events must have been caused by events. Those analysis did not prove anything more than that statistics can amplify biases: they showed what the authors wanted to show and what the readers wanted to believe. In fact, some of the analysis ignored the data showing the increases actually began before the events occurred.

Wearing a mask where a mask might help makes sense. Wearing a mask because it has magical repelling power against cooties is foolish. Demanding others buy into the hysteria is more likely to hurt than to help.

Great post, thank you. For a while I was beginning to think I was the lone voice in the wilderness

IF you are in fact listening to the experts, you are not understanding what they are saying.

People do seem confused. Wish I had a buck for everyone I see wearing a mask while inside a car, golf cart or bicycle.

You are wrong. Not a single case was directly attributed to those rallies. Those numbers were based on a model assuming a level of spread based on the number of participants. No actual contact tracing was performed. It was not peer reviewed and its validity has been strongly contested.

I don't have time to discuss this subject with posters who are obviously "anti-maskers" who have no data to present just their opinions. You people have made up your minds and no facts or suggestions from the scientists will change them. I for one, hope that the person working in the postal station wears a mask when she opens the door and stands a couple feet away from me to hand me a package. If I go around the corner and bump into someone without a mask on, "I" will be protected because I'll have my mask on. If that person is asymptomatic and shedding virus, I won't have to worry. I listen to scientists not the self-appointed Villages experts or someone who mocked mask wearers then got the virus himself. And fortunately, non-maskers are in the minority in this country. :icon_wink:

Amazing! Just about everything posted has been wrong, multiple people have pointed it out, so now there is no" time to discuss this subject with posters who are obviously "anti-maskers" who have no data to present just their opinions."
Nobody posted that they are "anti-maskers", simply that masks are of value, but only in the appropriate setting.
Some people STILL think they are protected if they have a mask on. If that is your suit of armor, good luck. But I would not advise wading into a crowd that is not wearing THEIR masks. It was repeated about "listening to scientists", but clearly that is with no understanding of their message.

PS: I don't know about the others on this thread, but I am not a "self appointed" expert. The court system of NY state has credentialed me as an expert dozens of times. And your credentials for unsubstantiated opinions are???????


Attachment 87815

It really doesn't matter if they are government property or not, it's just wise and considerate to wear masks while the virus is running rampant.

You surely are not alone. Some of us are just tired of arguing..These posts go nowhere.

How is it “the right thing” for me to wear my mask when I get off my cart to check my mail?

The original post was about the post office. If the person working in the post office has to deal with clients, for example handing someone a package when standing less than 6 feet away, it is just common sense for the people involved to be wearing masks. No one has suggested wearing a mask where it is not warranted. I don't understand the the whole mask thing throws some people into an uproar. Its not rocket science. ALL the experts say wear the mask, even at outdoor events, when unable to maintain the 6 feet social distancing guideline. And six feet may not even be enough. Someone else said they could find data regarding super spreader events, and tried to downplay those. I found plenty by doing a 5 second google search. I think some people like to twist the facts to fit their way of thinking. Be it as it may, Fauci says - if you are going to socialize or be near people outdoors, wear the mask.

Absolutely agree, that's what we've been saying all along----so what was all the previous nonsense about?

Let’s try to separate science from religion for a minute.

Science: Proper, regular, and correct deployment of masks can aid somewhat in slowing the spread.

Religion: Wearing a mask When you’re in the car alone, on the golf cart, riding a bicycle, or picking up your mail at an outside box when you’re not going to be within 6 feet of anyone else falls under the broad category of religious observation.

If you wear your mask when you can’t adequately social distance, then you are following the science as we know it at this moment.

But if you wear a mask in those unnecessary moments, your relationship to science is no more sound and secure and then if you were a member of an undiscovered tribe in the Amazon caring around your vanquished enemy’s index finger to ward off the angry Covid gods.

The original post was about the unmanned outside postal stations in our respective Villages.