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prntxpresn 01-20-2020 08:08 AM

Reusable bags need to be washed after each use from the contaminants that store items carry.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-20-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by prntxpresn (Post 1711009)
Reusable bags need to be washed after each use from the contaminants that store items carry.

Only the ones with foods that can contaminate things with. Plastic bag-covered breads, canned goods, paper goods - do not have to be washed after each use.

If you're buying meat, chicken, fish, produce - you can put those in the produce bags that they will continue to provide at the produce section, to keep them from contaminating the bag.

If you use cloth bags, you would want to wash them regularly anyway.

Again - this is not a "thing" in any part of the world where plastic bags are considered a premium product and not offered free at stores.

golfing eagles 01-20-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1711000)
If this Publix policy is even true, they're not mandating it for you. You are absolutely welcome to buy virgin-plastic heavy-duty garbage bags that have come straight from the oil wells, using coal or deisel fuel to fire up the machines that make it, in a town where the air pollution is so bad you can see the huge gash in the ozone layer without a telescope, and then toss them in your triple-layered extra-heavy garbage bag in your garage the second you get the groceries out of them.

However, you have to bring the bags yourself. That is all. No one is saying you can't use plastic bags. They're saying you may, but Publix is not going to pay for them. That is all.

Yes, and you are welcome to use your dirty cloth bags that you keep in the trunk of your car, that you drive to the store after filling up with gas that comes from the same oil wells, then drive it bag to your garage with the automatic door opener and light that runs on electricity from the same source. And remember all the time you are doing this, China and India are dumping millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and laughing at us

lem001 01-20-2020 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1710893)
There was a greeter at Publix yesterday informing people that Publix will be phasing out plastic bags. I was told this new policy will be implemented in the next 2-3 months.

Re-usable bags are $.99 each. I received a re-usable bag key ring as a reminder to bring re-usable bags to Publix. It is cute!


So Publix thinks plastic bags are destroying the planet -- but they will sell them to you at 99 cents

kbogli 01-20-2020 08:42 AM

After unloading your groceries put your reusable bags on the passenger seat in the car, easier to remember to bring them in with you :)

Deebaker 01-20-2020 08:44 AM

Plastic bags in my food🤣
 
I have been using my own grocery bags for years. They are easier to carry into the house and once i got used to it I hated using store bags when I forgot mine. 10 flimsy bags vs 2. The key is to put them back in the car🤪🤪

Mmarr 01-20-2020 08:44 AM

Sounds promising.. but remember paper bags harvest bugs.. Palmetto bugs love paper..

Windguy 01-20-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 1710930)
I don’t mind bring in reusable bags. I just have to remember to bring them! And then, how many do I bring? If I’m shopping for a lot of things, I suppose eventually I’ll be able to gauge how many I’ll need to bring.

I have a large insulated bag and about seven fold-flat, heavy-duty reusable bags that I bought at Publix. I keep the reusable bags inside my insulated bag so they don’t scatter around in my trunk where I keep them and I don’t have to decide how many to bring. I’ve been using reusable bags for many years and it’s just automatic for me to get them out of the trunk before I enter the store. There have been times when I went into the store to get just a couple of things that I could hand carry, but decided I wanted some other stuff so I walked back to the car to get my bags. More steps for my Fitbit!

valuemkt 01-20-2020 08:47 AM

So far I have not used online grocery shopping. The majority of my shopping today is Publix. I probably average 10 or 12 bags per visit. I doubt I will buy or remember to bring that many bags. or keep that many in two cars etc etc. At 99c per bag and an average of 10 bags per visit, thats an extra 10 bucks. Delivery to my door will cost less than that, eliminate impulse buys and of course save me time. Wonder how all those groceries will be packaged for home delivery ? Cardboard boxes ? Maybe Publix will have to make them available at checkout like Costco does .. This should get interesting.

Sharfrfla 01-20-2020 08:52 AM

I agree with you. Publix is working just fine as it is. If it is not broken don’t fix it. Winn-Dixie has bags and hopefully they’ll continue. The only reason I shop at Aldi’s and like it is because the prices are excellent so therefore bringing bags is fine.

Brwne 01-20-2020 08:54 AM

What to use for under-the-sink garbage cans?
 
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1710893)
There was a greeter at Publix yesterday informing people that Publix will be phasing out plastic bags. I was told this new policy will be implemented in the next 2-3 months.

Re-usable bags are $.99 each. I received a re-usable bag key ring as a reminder to bring re-usable bags to Publix. It is cute!

We don't throw plastic bags away, after the groceries are put away, they go into a cloth tube and are available to contain wet, leaky refuse. They also work in the garbage can under the sink, eliminating the need to buy bigger, thicker plastic garbage bags. For those with pets, they are easy to carry for the daily "nature walks".

Paper bags will work for some of these activities and the fabric-based reusable bags will not. This brings to mind a question - what are those reusable fabric bags made of?

EdFNJ 01-20-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1710942)
Actually - they donate 10 cents for each of the 3 standard reusable bags to sustainability projects in the community (such as planting trees). They contribute up to $125,000 every year through proceeds of these sales.

So they donate 10cents for every THREE they SELL for $1.00+ each ? So 10c on a $3.00+ sale for an item that cost them likely under 10cents landed for each one. That's better than nothing but falls far below the amount they will save by not purchasing any more plastic bags then SELLING the reusable bags.

Again, I applaud their contribution to the local environment but I can assure you the altruism is based on profits. Not that it shouldn't be, but still it's all for the bottom line and advertising purposes.

EdFNJ 01-20-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1711000)
However, you have to bring the bags yourself. That is all. No one is saying you can't use plastic bags. They're saying you may, but Publix is not going to pay for them. That is all.

And that's the point, the fake altruism they "sell." It's all about the benjamins.

theruizs 01-20-2020 09:05 AM

We started using the reusable bags about 3 months ago. It was surprising how quickly we got used to it. Change may not always be easy, but in this case I think it is worth the effort.

BostonRich 01-20-2020 09:10 AM

Yeah paper bags are great until it rains. Try putting a paper bag down on the ground for a few seconds when the ground is wet. Everything is going to fall out.

Also, I have to agreed that Wegman's is the absolute best supermarket out there. Miss those 39 cent bananas!

Two Bills 01-20-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1711019)
Yes, and you are welcome to use your dirty cloth bags that you keep in the trunk of your car, that you drive to the store after filling up with gas that comes from the same oil wells, then drive it bag to your garage with the automatic door opener and light that runs on electricity from the same source. And remember all the time you are doing this, China and India are dumping millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and laughing at us

The USA is the second worse polluter after China, so who is laughing at who?

ColdNoMore 01-20-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Herchmer (Post 1710984)
I don't have a dog, but when I walked my "granddogs" I would use the plastic bags that our newspapers were delivered in. Perfect size.


Yep. :thumbup:

I used to go to my local paper's printing press warehouse and they would sell the bags they use to wrap their papers in...by the box (+-200?).

They work perfectly, as they are the correct size and you can easily turn them inside out, with them being long enough to easily tie...after doing your civic duty of picking up your pet's poop.

Bonnevie 01-20-2020 09:14 AM

I was surprised when I moved here 6 years ago at the number of people who didn't bring their own bags. It had become the norm in my old Florida community.

My son used to work at Albertson's and they offered five cents off if you brought your own bags---and that paltry amount was enough to get people to do it. Someone pointed out, people have no problems doing it at Aldi and Sam'. In England and Ireland on my last trip you had to pay if you wanted a plastic bag.

and if everyone doesn't start becoming a "tree hugger" soon, then our children and grandchildren will pay for it. Even if you re-use them, they are still bad for the environment. You can buy biodegradable poop bags for for less than one cent.

I don't think it's too much to ask. and while they are at it, Publix should go to the same system as Aldi's for cart returns. It only takes 25 cents to get people to bring back a cart.


Americans use 100 billion plastic bags a year, which require 12 million barrels of oil to manufacture.

It only takes about 14 plastic bags for the equivalent of the gas required to drive one mile.

The average American family takes home almost 1,500 plastic shopping bags a year.

According to Waste Management, only 1 percent of plastic bags are returned for recycling. That means that the average family only recycles 15 bags a year; the rest end up in landfills or as litter.

Up to 80 percent of ocean plastic pollution enters the ocean from land.

At least 267 different species have been affected by plastic pollution in the ocean.
100,000 marine animals are killed by plastic bags annually.

One in three leatherback sea turtles have been found with plastic in their stomachs.

Plastic bags are used for an average of 12 minutes

It takes 500 (or more) years for a plastic bag to degrade in a landfill. Unfortunately the bags don't break down completely but instead photo-degrade, becoming microplastics that absorb toxins and continue to pollute the environment.

graciegirl 01-20-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1711051)
And that's the point, the fake altruism they "sell." It's all about the benjamins.

I think that this has been coming. I didn't know that some areas had businesses already doing it. I am not a greenie, but I think this is a good decision. We really do use too many one use plastics and that does damage and clog things. Most of us lived for years without those plastic bags and we managed.

Brynnie 01-20-2020 09:17 AM

[QUOTE=CFrance;1710934]Nucky, one of the things we first noticed about using non-disposable grocery shopping bags was how much easier they are on the hands to carry out of the car into the house. And we store them in the trunk of the cars, so no storage issues in the house.


My solution is to keep the cloth bags on the back seat of my car, where I can see them easily. That reminds me to bring them into the store. Works for me!

golfing eagles 01-20-2020 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1711061)
The USA is the second worse polluter after China, so who is laughing at who?

Maybe, but we are also over 25% of the world's total economy. Yes, Luxembourg generates less pollution than the US :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

ColdNoMore 01-20-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1711063)
I was surprised when I moved here 6 years ago at the number of people who didn't bring their own bags. It had become the norm in my old Florida community.

My son used to work at Albertson's and they offered five cents off if you brought your own bags---and that paltry amount was enough to get people to do it. Someone pointed out, people have no problems doing it at Aldi and Sam'. In England and Ireland on my last trip you had to pay if you wanted a plastic bag.

and if everyone doesn't start becoming a "tree hugger" soon, then our children and grandchildren will pay for it. Even if you re-use them, they are still bad for the environment. You can buy biodegradable poop bags for for less than one cent.

I don't think it's too much to ask. and while they are at it, Publix should go to the same system as Aldi's for cart returns. It only takes 25 cents to get people to bring back a cart.

Americans use 100 billion plastic bags a year, which require 12 million barrels of oil to manufacture.

It only takes about 14 plastic bags for the equivalent of the gas required to drive one mile.

The average American family takes home almost 1,500 plastic shopping bags a year.

According to Waste Management, only 1 percent of plastic bags are returned for recycling. That means that the average family only recycles 15 bags a year; the rest end up in landfills or as litter.

Up to 80 percent of ocean plastic pollution enters the ocean from land.

At least 267 different species have been affected by plastic pollution in the ocean.
100,000 marine animals are killed by plastic bags annually.

One in three leatherback sea turtles have been found with plastic in their stomachs.

Plastic bags are used for an average of 12 minutes

It takes 500 (or more) years for a plastic bag to degrade in a landfill. Unfortunately the bags don't break down completely but instead photo-degrade, becoming microplastics that absorb toxins and continue to pollute the environment.


But, but, but, my "right" not to be inconvenienced or have to worry about this rock we live on after I'm gone...takes precedence. (insert facetious emoji here) :ohdear:

BTW - Excellent post! :boom:

Parker 01-20-2020 09:28 AM

I don't like change. I don't like that plastic bags won't be available anymore. I don't like that the choice isn't mine to make. I don't like anything about this. But I DO think reduced plastic usage is a GOOD thing and I'll (grudgingly) accept it.

ColdNoMore 01-20-2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1711088)
......and silly old me thought dinosaurs were extinct!

:thumbup:

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-20-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brwne (Post 1711047)
We don't throw plastic bags away, after the groceries are put away, they go into a cloth tube and are available to contain wet, leaky refuse. They also work in the garbage can under the sink, eliminating the need to buy bigger, thicker plastic garbage bags. For those with pets, they are easy to carry for the daily "nature walks".

Paper bags will work for some of these activities and the fabric-based reusable bags will not. This brings to mind a question - what are those reusable fabric bags made of?

Most of them are made with recycled plastic. Some are made with cotton, or cotton/synthetic blend. You can buy some higher-end ones made from bamboo fiber, and there's a grass-roots organization that promotes ones made from banana fiber in Jamaica. You can also make your own out of duct tape and an old tee-shirt.

Two Bills 01-20-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Back9 (Post 1711097)
"Change" means being forced to do something you don't like, from something that wasn't offensive in the first place. If you liked what you were being force to "change" to, you wouldn't have to be forced to do it.

Isn't eco-pagan bullying wonderful?

I know all about that.

I was forced to change nappies when my kids were small, just never realised my wife was an "eco-pagan bully!"

Mumbles 01-20-2020 10:08 AM

No plastic bags in europe
 
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1710914)
Paper bags please. Loved them for many purposes.
I remember shopping in Europe and they offered no bags at all, so I only bought what fit in my hand.

When I lived in Europe for 13 years--in the 80s and 90s-- for the most part the citizenry did NOT have large refrigerators, so they shopped nearly every day. Of course, that was a hassle for us Americans because we didn't like going to market every day. However, cloth bags were plentiful and cheap. That's how I did it back then. "When in Rome..." Now, I bring my two large zip-top Sam's/Costco bags with me and which do the trick.

Back9 01-20-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1711068)

But, but, but, my "right" not to be inconvenienced or have to worry about this rock we live on after I'm gone...takes precedence. (insert facetious emoji here) :ohdear:

BTW - Excellent post! :boom:

No, the hardship you want imposed on everyone else is based on trivia and fear-crazed superstition.

Plastic is harmless when dumped in a landfill ("disposed of properly"). It's only a problem when people litter. Making the 95% of the people who dispose properly suffer because of the 5% who litter is aggressive agenda on your part -- eco-bullying , superstition-crazed, and power hungry.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-20-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1711048)
So they donate 10cents for every THREE they SELL for $1.00+ each ? So 10c on a $3.00+ sale for an item that cost them likely under 10cents landed for each one. That's better than nothing but falls far below the amount they will save by not purchasing any more plastic bags then SELLING the reusable bags.

Again, I applaud their contribution to the local environment but I can assure you the altruism is based on profits. Not that it shouldn't be, but still it's all for the bottom line and advertising purposes.

Read more slowly. I said 10 cents for each of 3. Not ten cents for every three. Would it have been more clear if I had said 10 cents for each one? Except that wouldn't be true, because they sell many different styles. But of all the styles they sell, only three styles are included in the promotion of donations. So if you buy one of those included styles, 10 cents is donated. If you buy one of 2 of those styles, 20 cents is donated. If you buy one of each of those 3 styles, 30 cents is donated.

ldj1938 01-20-2020 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1710964)
Who gives a crap?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://4ocean.com/?msclkid=cd9c4cf4...0-%204%20Ocean

You obviously don't. BTW having lived in south Florida I know that cockroaches absolutely love the glue in paper bags. Being a scuba diver it is unbelievable the amount of plastic in the ocean. Watch the 4ocean video.

Bonnevie 01-20-2020 10:18 AM

'
Plastic is harmless when dumped in a landfill ("disposed of properly").
obviously, did not read why plastic bags are bad, so once again....

It takes 500 (or more) years for a plastic bag to degrade in a landfill. Unfortunately the bags don't break down completely but instead photo-degrade, becoming microplastics that absorb toxins and continue to pollute the environment.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-20-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1711019)
Yes, and you are welcome to use your dirty cloth bags that you keep in the trunk of your car, that you drive to the store after filling up with gas that comes from the same oil wells, then drive it bag to your garage with the automatic door opener and light that runs on electricity from the same source. And remember all the time you are doing this, China and India are dumping millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and laughing at us

Hyperbole much? As I posted already - cloth bags are washable. I usually take the golf cart to the supermarket, which means I use less than a single gallon of gas monthly to do my grocery shopping. I also don't have a garage.

And China is dumping less now that they've refused to take OUR trash. You did notice there aren't any landfills near The Villages, didn't you? Did you ever think to wonder why not? The answer: it was being transported to China, and to Georgia. China is no longer an option and Georgia is getting full.

It will either have to go somewhere else, or we'll have to stop producing so much in the first place.

If it goes somewhere else, it will cost "bigly" to we, the homeowners and taxpayers.

If we reuse more, discard less, we can reduce the cost of the increase. If you don't mind paying the extra, then please give me your address so I know where to send the bill for -my- trash pickup.

Thanks.

Sharon Dent 01-20-2020 10:24 AM

Yay!
 
This is great news! I stopped using single use plastic bags a long time ago. I save bags from products, such as the plastic bag inside a cereal box, the plastic bag that tortillas come in, bread bags… and I use those for scooping kitty litter. I know it seems daunting, but buying plastic bags to scoop your pet’s waste defeats the purpose. Congrats to Publix for demonstrating the need to take action. 😘

Back9 01-20-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1711115)
Hyperbole much? As I posted already - cloth bags are washable. I usually take the golf cart to the supermarket, which means I use less than a single gallon of gas monthly to do my grocery shopping. I also don't have a garage.

And China is dumping less now that they've refused to take OUR trash. You did notice there aren't any landfills near The Villages, didn't you? Did you ever think to wonder why not? The answer: it was being transported to China, and to Georgia. China is no longer an option and Georgia is getting full.

It will either have to go somewhere else, or we'll have to stop producing so much in the first place.

If it goes somewhere else, it will cost "bigly" to we, the homeowners and taxpayers.

If we reuse more, discard less, we can reduce the cost of the increase. If you don't mind paying the extra, then please give me your address so I know where to send the bill for -my- trash pickup.

Thanks.


The simple COUNTY DUMP was turned into an expensive boondoggle by recycling fanatics with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do except make other people's lives miserable, all under the stupid banner of "sustainability".

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 01-20-2020 10:26 AM

But, but , but what about all the tree that will be cut down to make paper bags.

lizbell 01-20-2020 10:28 AM

plastic bags
 
The cloth bags fit so neatly in the trunk compared to rather sloppy plastic bags. I've been told at checkout in Walmart that they will soon be discontinuing their plastic bags too. I really miss using them for kitchen garbage bags. Am now using 100% compostable kitchen garbage bags from Amazon.

Travelingal702 01-20-2020 10:34 AM

HOORAY!!! Publix has finally joined the effort to save the planet, our oceans, our wildlife, our environment. Hopefully, Winn-Dixie will get on board as well. I have been an advocate of "no plastic bags" for years. Yes, I take reusable bags with me when I shop. I CARE!!

Bjeanj 01-20-2020 10:36 AM

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Just read an interesting article this morning about the plastic bag issue:
Plastic bags have lobbyists. They're winning. - POLITICO

According to this, Florida is one of the states that does not allow local government passing plastic bag restrictions.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-20-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lizbell (Post 1711124)
The cloth bags fit so neatly in the trunk compared to rather sloppy plastic bags. I've been told at checkout in Walmart that they will soon be discontinuing their plastic bags too. I really miss using them for kitchen garbage bags. Am now using 100% compostable kitchen garbage bags from Amazon.

Unfortunately most landfills don't reach a high enough temperature to degrade compostable garbage bags, so they end up not turning to compost and take up the exact same amount of space.

Personally, I feel that disposable diapers (baby and adult) should also be discouraged, for the same reason - they don't break down in landfills and there isn't infinite room on the planet for an infinite future of plastic disposal.

At some point, all this plastic is going to have to end up SOMEWHERE - and there won't be room at the current landfills. I wonder how folks in the Villages will feel if the towns that TV is located in, all decide to allocate some of their real estate to build new landfills. Not in my back yard? Woops - not your decision to make. If you don't want a trash dump upwind of your house in the next 20 years, then encourage everyone to reduce their waste. At least then it might be 30 years, or if you're lucky, you'll be dead of old age before you ever have to care about it.

Back9 01-20-2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ldj1938 (Post 1711111)
https://4ocean.com/?msclkid=cd9c4cf4...0-%204%20Ocean

You obviously don't. BTW having lived in south Florida I know that cockroaches absolutely love the glue in paper bags. Being a scuba diver it is unbelievable the amount of plastic in the ocean. Watch the 4ocean video.



"Ocean plastic" is another name for litter, i.e. it's not PLASTIC that's the problem, but the slobs who do the littering (and whole 3rd-world sh*thole countries that are slovenly in their waste disposal).


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