There are some among us who could pick a fight with Mother Teresa.

We all did far more years ago to be careful and saving and sparse in order to save money and that worked out well for all of us. It wrankles me when the greenies get in full cry, but what is worse is them thinking that MOST of us are NOT very aware of climate change. I just hate the marching and spending money on foolishness that in many cases will not change anything without full participation of all occupants of the world.

AND it is industrialization that is to both blame and thank for much of the pollution. The same industrialization that has halved poverty and hunger in the last thirty years.

Things are not solvable with foolish rhetoric and making other people mad and talking down to them. And some things in this day and time are just not solvable. Trying not to use one use plastic is a little bit of doing something that might help a little bit. It can't hurt.

Not enough room at the county dump? Ridiculous. This is another out-of-proportion scare tactic, pure and simple.

And government utility empire builders love to make a big deal out of trash --- more money, more staff, more power. And we are the idiots who fall for it.

I scoop my cat box every day. I don't consume enough bagged food to provide me with a bag every day to do that.

I definitely don't want to buy more plastic bags JUST to scoop the litter box. I also loathe the idea of buying plastic bags that I use JUST to put in the bathroom waste bin. I can use paper bags to scoop the litter box but again - that would be single-use, and that's much more wasteful to me than re-using something I already had. That's why I like knowing that plastic bags at the supermarket are available. I don't always get them. I keep it limited, and I saved a bunch of them when I was living up north and brought them down with me instead of throwing them away - JUST so I could re-use them for the waste bins and kitty litter.

I bring a thermal insulated bag and at least one cloth bag with me to the supermarket currently. If I buy more groceries than I can fit in those two bags, I use the plastic they provide. I get to do my part, and not waste resources by buying new for the purpose of throwing away. I also buy garbage bags that are made from recycled plastic.

while many consider these bags harmful, i find them very useful in daily life. now i'll just have to go buy those small plastic bags they make for wastepaper baskets.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

Town landfills have closed all over the country, over the past 4 or 5 decades. The town I lived in before I moved here closed their landfill down over 20 years ago. It was full. There was no way to expand it because a river ran on one side of it and a town road ran on the other side of it. There was no equipment to make it higher. So it was closed down, allowed to weed over and compost itself. Trees started growing on it, bushes and brush and weeds. Eventually they cleared off a portion of it and installed solar panels - which now provide the energy for most of the municipal buildings in the town.

But you do you.

Both of these things can be true. The bags are harmful. They also are useful in daily life. Therein lies the quandry. So - rather than eliminate, it's on the shoulders of the consumer to reduce as much as they can, without hardship.

There's no problem here, except littering. Villagers have it so good, with so much time on their hands, they need something to justify their existence. When all the while their wasting their time on this non-issue, and trying to make everyone's life worse off.

"Go ahead and use your cloth shopping bags! Just don't try to impose it on the rest of us."

too funny, that's exactly what this ex-Conn. did/does

YEP...exactly! :oops:

In other words, the town fathers have made a mountain out of a mole hill. They couldn't get more land? "Imminent domain"? No... it's become fanaticism for cleanliness, and a government created problem.

Recycling plastic grocery bags
 

When I see a grocery store that has a bin for recycling plastic bags, I help myself to a couple of bundles to reuse for picking up dog doo. They are so nice bc they have handles. A ‘used’ paper towel recycled for this purpose takes care of any small holes in the bag... fold paper towel in half, place your hand inside plastic bag & place paper towel over poo, pickup everything as you turn bag inside out & tie, using handles to carry. I will miss the grocery bags...

I think you might have lost my meaning. The "who gives a crap" was facetious in response to the person commenting on using slitted bags to pick up dog poop. The other quote should be self-explanatory.

It's almost terrifying that you know this:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Are you okay with mandating that people must stop at stop signs? Your tax dollars paid for those roads, surely you have the right to do with them as you see fit. What about paying for things at the store rather than just walking out?

You don't mind the mandate that you're not allowed to grow you grass more than 4 inches right? How about the mandate that you have to pay income tax, if you have an income? What about paying your bills on time? They're YOUR bills, you should be able to pay them whenever you like, right?

Or - are you accepting that sometimes, people have to be forced to do unpleasant things, because otherwise they might refuse to do them - and civilization might suffer if we just let everyone do what they wanted, and not do what they didn't want, cause they wanna, or they don't wanna?

At craft shows in New England there are actually crafters who use craft-tape (it's basically duct tape with fancy designs and colors) to make wallets, pocketbooks, bookcovers, keychains, and yes - re-useable, washable bags. There's one couple who gets those HUGE plastic/fiber dog food bags from farm stores, and turns those into whimsical totes. They're incredibly popular!

New England is fairly well known for pragmatism. Especially those of us who lived through the Recession, or whose families came during or just before the Depression, or whose jobs were eliminated and we had families to feed. We made do with what we had, and re-used, and proved "necessity is the mother of invention."

You can't seriously believe these things are equitable?
Seriously????
Traffic control, shoplifting, and income tax evasion all have known and relatively immediate consequences. Burying non-biodegradable plastic in a landfill somewhere has highly debatable and theoretical consequences. Earth will go on long after we are extinct.

Yeah...what he said. ^^^


Just like Mars.



:1rotfl:

So glad to hear!!!

Have no fear - the hole in the ozone layer is closing! hole in the ozone layer is closing - Bing

The University of Arizona and Loma Linda University have both studied the cloth bag issue and have discovered ecoli and salmonella bacteria in them. If using canvas bags, throw them in the washing machine often and use hot water with detergent. Dry in the dryer. If using insulated bags for your meat, clean EVERY SINGLE TIME with anti-bacteria wipes. Many people are too lazy to follow these precautions, and medical schools fear there will be a big spike in illnesses as plastic bags are phased out. Be careful!!!!

I love trees and I don’t see a problem. Cutting down trees won’t be a problem if you plant tree farms for the purpose of producing paper. Also I mentioned they use recycled paper for store bags. I like to use hygienic bags for food, one use only. I have other uses for paper bags and have missed them ever since they introduced plastic.

Oh, please. Don't confuse the eco-warriors with the facts, it destroys their psyche:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"Ozone" -- the warmup act for the quackery of global warming.

A hideous example of government-by-news-cycle.


The Ozone Scam - YouTube


And this is very pertinent to Floridians with Air Conditioning -- the phasing out of efficient refrigerants is a monumental screwing of the AC consumer.


["Satellites DISCOVER hole in ozone layer!" Discover? How do you know it wasn't there all along? (notice that it only appears in the southern hemisphere, where topography is different from the north...) ]

Ohiobuckeye
 

We were in California & everybody there charges $0.5 or $0.10 a bag, all retail stores & grocery stores!

I understand that toilet paper will be phased out and folks are being encouraged to eat corn on the cob and return the empty dried cob to a recycling center outside all grocery stores.

BTW -- all those CAPACITORS that keep blowing on you condenser unit? That's a function of the stupid ban on PCBs. It was the best material for the purpose, till a far-fetched "cancer" issue was raised.

"Dust is carcinogenic -- henceforth you must all wear breathing apparatuses."

Same in Connecticut. It's 10 cents/bag, or you can buy a re-useable one for 99 cents. Or you can bring your own bag, buy a box on Amazon (which I mentioned already). Stores like Aldi and the big box places receive their product in bulk boxes. They put the whole box right on the shelf but once it's empty, they let the customers take them instead of throwing them away. Re-use. Plus in boxes, things don't shift around as much. Even better, these boxes sometimes are waxed, for produce and other products that can get wet. So you can put your ice cream tub right in the box, and everything is hunky dory, and it doesn't cost a penny extra.

Wonder what happens when you go to check out and realize you forgot your bags?

In stores that have implemented this (like Aldi's for example), you can buy a bag. Aldi's has a variety of bags, paper, plastic, and re-useable, ranging from 8 cents each to $2 for the re-useables.

There are thousands of stores nationwide that have been doing this for years. In fact, Publix has been promoting and selling re-useables for 20 years. And millions of customers nationwide already use them.

Oh, really
 

I have no problem with Publix encouraging us to do our part.

Also, I respect the fact that Publix provides an ESOP for their workers. (Just imagine if Walmart workers were able to profit-share as an across-the-board employee benefit. — If Walmart were to have done so, not only would the benefit have been monetary, it also would have carried tremendous educational value by giving the opportunity for workers to learn about investing for the future — and in many cases, first-generation stockholders.)

Now, back to the quote above: I take issue with such a plan. Why would someone want to take things out on the frontline workers? If you don’t like it, make a picket sign and walk around in front of the store — whatever, if that happys you up. But a plan to make the workday more difficult for those just doing their jobs — from positions that are powerless — is a plan that if carried out would be condescending, elitist, and just plain wrong.

Bingo! :thumbup:

Maybe, but it would get the point across in a hurry. The workers are paid by the hour, so it really doesn't matter WHAT work they are doing. But the lost revenue will impact the store and hopefully the policymakers. I'm not against using cloth bags, I'm just opposed to having some entity shove them down my throat. That goes for Publix, the government, the radical left and the religious right.

PS. I've been using reusable bags for several years, but when something is wet/leaky I have them put it in plastic, same is true if I forget my bags. This isn't about what they want to do, it's about how they are going to do it.

plastic bags yes
 

I asked a Publix (on 466) employee last week about this and they said Publix is NOT getting rid of the plastic bags. I hope this is true. I use them for my groceries and then for many other uses in my house.

fuel mileage----absolutely opposed---none of the governments business if I want to buy a gas guzzling vehicle, I pay for the gas.

Limitation on pollution----in favor, within limits. The EPA does not need to be regulating a puddle on a ranch in Texas

My son is in his 40s now, but when he was young I used to try to bring a bag of my own to the grocery store and they would flip out and not let me do it. They said I could be bringing in bugs or whatever and it wasn't sanitary. My kids were so embarrassed that I was the weirdo that was bringing a bag when no one else was. I was also trying to pick up litter way before my time. Guess the world has finally caught up with me. I think it's a great idea. I hate all the waste and store bags are so flimsly they frequently break before you can reuse them more than once.

:rolleyes: Boy Howdy I hope not! Coffee filters hurt. And while I'm at it..... anyone got 2 5's for a 10? :laugh:

Reusable bags are he way to go. It is said (in Northern AZ) that the Navajo national flower is the Blue plastic bag stuck on tree branches. I have also seen this wherever there is a landfill, open dump or transfer station, or where there is poor trash pick-up.

Please, reuse, reduce and recycle.