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Bill14564 11-19-2020 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862966)
Guaranteed, that if 90% wore their masks 90% of the time that the US would be back to "normal" like South Korea and New Zealand. The US citizens are too stubborn for their own good. They are like "herding cats". Hear kitty-kitty please, please wear your mask, please you stupid pu**y!
Guaranteed that is not the case. First, people would be wearing masks which has never been normal. Second, 90% of the people 90% of the time is no more than 80% compliance which would slow the virus but not stop it. We would still have limitations in sizes of gatherings, we would still have mandatory closing times for places where masks wouldn't be worn (restaurants and bars), and it's questionable whether large sports venues would be allowed to operate at capacity since they encourage cheering and yelling and other activities that increase the spread of the virus.

Pairadocs 11-19-2020 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862953)
Why are you going to these classes, meetings or recreational activities where you are possibly exposed to the virus? How do you know that all the participants in theses activities aren't infected? You are ultimately responsible for your safety, not some one else.
I don't know how anyone knows at all if someone in their golf league, ceramics class, or in Publix has, or soon will have, the virus ? I suppose the people going to their meetings and activities go because The Villages has these activities going on, and that's why people live here ? Surely if this was considered highly "dangerous", the villages would not allow such classes don't you think ? Maybe not, but I certainly think so. Of course we are all responsible for our own safety, I completely agree ! But, if we swim something could happening, could slip, hit head, drown, who knows. Just wondering what others think too, if this was considered highly dangerous do you think the rec centers would be open and having activities ? WHY are you going to Publix ? Maybe you are hungry and have assessed the risk and it is clear that dying from hunger is much more likely than dying from Covid-19 ? I am definitely NOT a risk taker, but some of the emotional issues here just don't make sense to me in a logical, factual, analysis ! ?

Gulfcoast 11-19-2020 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1862975)
I don't know how anyone knows at all if someone in their golf league, ceramics class, or in Publix has, or soon will have, the virus ? I suppose the people going to their meetings and activities go because The Villages has these activities going on, and that's why people live here ? Surely if this was considered highly "dangerous", the villages would not allow such classes don't you think ? Maybe not, but I certainly think so. Of course we are all responsible for our own safety, I completely agree ! But, if we swim something could happening, could slip, hit head, drown, who knows. Just wondering what others think too, if this was considered highly dangerous do you think the rec centers would be open and having activities ?
If the virus was that deadly no one would be willing to attend these classes at all and the problem would solve itself. Clearly that is not the case. Demand for classes is only going up from what I've seen.

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1862901)
A simple question that could be answered with a phone call has once again turned into a debate on mask use. This debate appears to never have a conclusion.......
The US has less than 5% of the world's population. It has 19 % of the world's death. That suggests to me that the US has done SOMETHING(?) wrong! Since mask-wearing is the best available response that epidemiologists have STRONGLY suggested to us to do - and since most of we Americans have been propagandized toward not wearing masks - we of TV Land need to talk it out over and over until the CORRECT and unpropagandized message gets through. It is difficult to drill through the hardened layers of propaganda that have clouded the minds of zombiezed Americans. The goal of LIFE, liberty, and happiness starts with LIFE simply because you can't have liberty and happiness when you are DEAD!

I guess unless you maybe believe in reincarnation?

Dana1963 11-19-2020 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1862768)
I assume by your question that someone wasnt wearing a mask. Instead of looking to get them in trouble, just leave. Simple
If it's a work requirement refusing to wear a mask should be grounds for termination!

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1862936)
From what I've seen there is still high compliance in the stores and other crowded venues. People are being as patient about this as they can be. The more they are scolded and threatened with mandates, the weaker the compliance will be.

I walked into a store the other day w/o a mask on - not because I was being defiant but because I literally thought that I had one on. Oops. When I realized I didn't have one on, I put it on. No big deal. I don't think that anyone DIED from my momentary lapse. I saw a delivery driver pop into another store w/o a mask on his face to deliver a package. I doubt that he contaminated the entire store in that brief time he was in there.

We have got to use some common sense with this and give people the benefit of the doubt or people are just going to get frustrated and stop even trying to placate others by wearing masks.
If what you say about compliance is true, then we would not have seat belts in our cars or speed bumps on our roads. People will comply with lawful orders, when those doing the ordering at the top grow up and give the US the correct messages. there is a reason that the US has 19% of the world's DEATHS. I know the reason. Do you?

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862955)
Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.
Then WHY are ALL the medical professionals on TV BEGGING US people to wear their masks? And how else can anyone explain why the US with its under 5% of the world's population be CAUSING 19 % of the world's DEATHS. I am thinking that not wearing masks is causing ALL the out --proportioned US DEATHS.

Dana1963 11-19-2020 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikee1 (Post 1862861)
If masks worked the virus would be gone by now... Remember 14 days to slow the spread. All any of this has done is prolong the inevitable.
Republican Governors who fought mask-wearing Iowa, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota are now changing their tune since the hospital census is increasing. While the Governors of South Dakota, Florida the exact opposite. The Villages on Wednesday test 15 positive and Wednesday 13 positive hope no one is hospitalized or even real sick just quarantine it's only 14 days

Byte1 11-19-2020 01:36 PM
Oh my! The sky is falling.
It's pathetic that some folks NEED a gov nanny to tell them how to live and then they need to get into everyone else's business because the gov nanny told them how to think.
I think you all should wear tin foil hats so that the radiation from the power towers don't mess up your minds. Ooops, too late. :MOJE_whot:

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1862970)
I agree, but is anyone else disturbed by the major Danish study released yesterday that the kind mask we are able to obtain have no value in protecting the wearer (something I have long suspected based on what I learned in microbiology in college classes), and that there "may" be a very low level of protection to others from you ? This is the reason public officials like the president elect and others wear N95 masks under their fashion masks. The study released last week done on our own marine recruits in training barracks found the same thing ! Startling stats that the wearing of cotton and cloth masks do not protect from a virus but could possibly stop the actual water vapor as in when someone sneezes directly on you, or your food. I wonder if "some day" we are going to find out that this virus is spreads and effects in a way we never even thought of ? Such as certain genetic markers found in our various cultural ethnicity's or cultures ? I have always questioned my "mind", or what's left of it, LOL, knowing what I do know about microbiology, microbes, bacteria, etc. (and believe me, I am not an expert for sure, just a little education in that area) for walking around with my Disney character mask on thinking I am protected in any way for the virus (not the water vapor surrounding it) penetrating cotton ? Sometimes I think some actual experts must know this, but, feel it's better psychologically for a population to feel they have some degree of personal control over their own safety rather than have the multiply dangers of a population overcome with anxiety (crowd madness), causing stark changes in personalities, behaviors, etc. ? What we think of a panic and people becoming "unlike" themselves ? Food for thought ?
That IS food for thought! But, sometimes we as individuals, can OVER-think somethings, sometimes. This IS an emotional period. I look to the US's world-leading epidemiologists for their LATEST advice on mask-wearing. It is conclusive, so I wear one and hope others wear theirs. And in the future, I hope that US leaders in Washington start advising the wearing of masks. AND that they "walk the walk"!

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1862971)
Guaranteed that is not the case. First, people would be wearing masks which has never been normal. Second, 90% of the people 90% of the time is no more than 80% compliance which would slow the virus but not stop it. We would still have limitations in sizes of gatherings, we would still have mandatory closing times for places where masks wouldn't be worn (restaurants and bars), and it's questionable whether large sports venues would be allowed to operate at capacity since they encourage cheering and yelling and other activities that increase the spread of the virus.
How would we know that, since we have NOT tried that?

Advogado 11-19-2020 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862955)
Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.
Where do you get this nonsense?

Advogado 11-19-2020 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862955)
Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.
Where do you get this nonsense?

Gulfcoast 11-19-2020 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862977)
The US has less than 5% of the world's population. It has 19 % of the world's death. That suggests to me that the US has done SOMETHING(?) wrong! Since mask-wearing is the best available response that epidemiologists have STRONGLY suggested to us to do - and since most of we Americans have been propagandized toward not wearing masks - we of TV Land need to talk it out over and over until the CORRECT and unpropagandized message gets through. It is difficult to drill through the hardened layers of propaganda that have clouded the minds of zombiezed Americans. The goal of LIFE, liberty, and happiness starts with LIFE simply because you can't have liberty and happiness when you are DEAD!

I guess unless you maybe believe in reincarnation?
U.S. hospitals were given monetary incentive to label deaths as Covid caused.

That's the part they forget to mention in all of those fancy dancy statistics.

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1862975)
I don't know how anyone knows at all if someone in their golf league, ceramics class, or in Publix has, or soon will have, the virus ? I suppose the people going to their meetings and activities go because The Villages has these activities going on, and that's why people live here ? Surely if this was considered highly "dangerous", the villages would not allow such classes don't you think ? Maybe not, but I certainly think so. Of course we are all responsible for our own safety, I completely agree ! But, if we swim something could happening, could slip, hit head, drown, who knows. Just wondering what others think too, if this was considered highly dangerous do you think the rec centers would be open and having activities ? WHY are you going to Publix ? Maybe you are hungry and have assessed the risk and it is clear that dying from hunger is much more likely than dying from Covid-19 ? I am definitely NOT a risk taker, but some of the emotional issues here just don't make sense to me in a logical, factual, analysis ! ?
The Villages have about everything open, Not on the advice of medical experts. It is open because it was decreed that way by our big-time state tribal leader called a Governor. And this tribal leader has allegiance to ...........something? Out West and in the northern mid-west, the CV is raging and their rec centerlike places called gyms are closing down, and indoor restaurants are closing.

In reality, as a conclusion - we are living in a time period called "before CV and after CV". TV Land has been lucky so far. And some are looking ahead to a vaccine to put all of the broken Humpty-dumpty of America back together again. I predict that that does NOT go smoothly - NOTHING in life goes smoothly. The rec center question is just a microcosm of the greater macro forces of a national nature!

coffeebean 11-19-2020 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1862817)
Aerosol lingering is not reported as true by the cdc ,it is media driven. The “death clouds are fiction’” masks are only required if you are unable to maintain six feet distance.
I first heard about aerosols lingering in the air from the CDC.

CDC Says Coronavirus Might Be Adrift in Indoor Air - The New York Times

Gulfcoast 11-19-2020 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862980)
If what you say about compliance is true, then we would not have seat belts in our cars or speed bumps on our roads. People will comply with lawful orders, when those doing the ordering at the top grow up and give the US the correct messages. there is a reason that the US has 19% of the world's DEATHS. I know the reason. Do you?
Getting into a car accident while not wearing a seat belt is often harmful to people. So we wear seat belts because we don't want to get hurt.

You generally don't have to nag people to not jump out of skyscraper windows or not walk in the middle of busy roads, set their bodies on fire or drink gasoline. There is no need to ban tall buildings, roads or gasoline.

You don't have to remind people that knives can be sharp. But if you go around screaming about how dangerous plastic butter knives are and that they should all be BANNED, people are going to look at you funny and use their butter knives anyway in spite of the "risks" involved.

Exercise classes promote health, relaxation and mental well being. There might be a heightened chance to catch a virus but that is a risk people are willing to take. If you don't agree, don't take a class.

kenoc7 11-19-2020 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shannondwd (Post 1862779)
They are NOT REQUIRED to wear a mask unless you get within 6 feet of them. Can you imagine wearing a mask 8 hours when there is. No one in the building. Very unhealthy that would be.
Plenty of hospital workers and grocery workers wear masks for 8 hour shifts, why not Rec Centre staff/ Saying it is unhealthy is ridiculous and absurd.

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikee1 (Post 1862861)
If masks worked the virus would be gone by now... Remember 14 days to slow the spread. All any of this has done is prolong the inevitable.
Masks WOULD work if only the majority of people wore them. That is not happening in most parts of our country. The anti-maskers are akin to petulant children. That is the hard truth about this. I've said many times before, The US will never see this virus under control until the vaccine is made available to the masses. Slowing the spread of the virus is apparently not feasible with the way the people of our country conduct themselves.

An example right here in The Villages......I passed a very popular corner restaurant/bar in Lake Sumter Landing the other evening. The outdoor bar was PACKED TO THE GILLS. People were standing within one foot of each other. Holy cow. If that is not a recipe for disaster. That is just one little example so there you have it. I rest my case.

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1863004)
U.S. hospitals were given monetary incentive to label deaths as Covid caused.

That's the part they forget to mention in all of those fancy dancy statistics.
It is hard to comment on ideas propagated by science deniers and statistic deniers and the flat earthers of the world that apparently regurgitate their QAnon and foxy propaganda often and at will. It is a lovely world in Q-land, I hope you are NOT my neighbor!

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtisbwp (Post 1862867)
Why would you ask. I don't care who wears what. I protect myself, that is my responsibility.
I care if you don't. It is up to EVERYONE to do their part. Wear a mask when in public indoor spaces and wear a mask outdoors when you can not maintain distance from others. It is that simple.

Bill14564 11-19-2020 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862983)
Then WHY are ALL the medical professionals on TV BEGGING US people to wear their masks? And how else can anyone explain why the US with its under 5% of the world's population be CAUSING 19 % of the world's DEATHS. I am thinking that not wearing masks is causing ALL the out --proportioned US DEATHS.
Look up confirmation bias. I don't believe all, even capitalized, is strictly accurate.

Other possible reasons for the large percentage in the US:
- Not the highest ratio in the world (top 10? maybe)
- Higher population density in areas of the US that are spiking
- Mis-steps in the beginning (NY nursing homes among others)
- No lockdowns (I don't want to live in a country with police on every corner asking for my papers if I leave my house)
- Poor counting in some countries
- Generally obstinate
- Too many "experts" demanding something today then something different tomorrow
- Fake news (from all sides) driving a lack of compliance (and common sense)
- US love of freedom - Don't Tread on Me - Just leave me the h**l alone

Bill14564 11-19-2020 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862995)
How would we know that, since we have NOT tried that?
In the same way we would know that it would work: proof by emphatic assertion.

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1862916)
You did not wear the same mask all day long. No you did not. Nor were you wearing homemade cloth masks. You were in a sterile environment, wearing medical grade masks and you were regularly washing your hands and switching out your gloves and your masks.

I'm not picking on you but it truly troubles me when medical people make these kinds of comparisons.
My aunt was an OR nurse for many years. She did wear a mask for hours on end in the OR. I can only report what she told me and I have no reason to doubt her word.

Bill14564 11-19-2020 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1863009)
I first heard about aerosols lingering in the air from the CDC.

CDC Says Coronavirus Might Be Adrift in Indoor Air - The New York Times
Please read the article.

Dayeight99 11-19-2020 02:16 PM
Who cares.

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1862921)
Is it true that a gym or grocery store is a sterile environment? Is it true that homemade cloth masks are sterile and as high a quality as medical grade masks? Is it safe for a cashier to be wearing/touching/adjusting a non sterile, non medical grade cloth mask all day long while scanning merchandise that has been touched by multiple hands?
I don't worry anymore about who has touched my merchandise in a grocery store. I've long stopped wiping every single grocery item down with sanitizer once it was stated by the CDC that the virus is not primarily transmitted by touching a surface. I do not ever touch my face with unwashed hands so I have no worry there. It has also been stated by the CDC that food does not transmit the virus so, no, I'm not concerned if people adjust their masks with their hands.

I do, however, wash apples that will not be cooked. It just makes me feel better to do that.

Gulfcoast 11-19-2020 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1863024)
My aunt was an OR nurse for many years. She did wear a mask for hours on end in the OR. I can only report what she told me and I have no reason to doubt her word.
It was a sterile medical grade mask, in a sterile hospital environment with lots of hand washing/sanitzing. That is not the same thing as being a busboy or a cashier.

There was someone earlier in this thread who mentioned how mask wearing made their own oxygen levels fall pretty dramatically which isn't healthy. It doesn't matter if that doesn't happen to you, it does happen to them. And they should be able to choose not to wear a mask at Publix if that is what they want to choose.

Gulfcoast 11-19-2020 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1863029)
I don't worry anymore about who has touched my merchandise in a grocery store. I've long stopped wiping every single grocery item down with sanitizer once it was stated by the CDC that the virus is not primarily transmitted by touching a surface. I do not ever touch my face with unwashed hands so I have no worry there. It has also been stated by the CDC that food does not transmit the virus so, no, I'm not concerned if people adjust their masks with their hands.

I do, however, wash apples that will not be cooked. It just makes me feel better to do that.
Are you a cashier?

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mneumann02 (Post 1862931)
Thanks for giving us the facts with the appropriate source. Unfortunately, some people just refuse to accept the truth about how dangerous this pandemic is. e.g., they believe it is no worse than the flu. Even more unfortunately, they do not take the precautions the rest of us do, which leads to even more spreading of the disease.
I saw an interview on TV the other day that made my mouth drop open in disbelief. An ICU nurse said that she has had patients, sick with Covid, come off a ventilator and say that they do not believe they were sick with Covid because they truly believe this pandemic is a hoax. She was in near tears explaining how overworked she and her colleagues are and trying their best to save the lives of these people. There is just something very wrong about this. I was aghast listening to her. People can be such fools.

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862955)
Totally untrue, masks cannot and will not stop the spread of the virus.
You made a true statement. Masks SLOW THE SPREAD of the virus and coupled with social distancing, will do what is expected of that mitigation process. All we can expect is for our risk to be minimized and keep the virus from exploding in our cities and overwhelm our health care systems.

Wear a mask in public indoor spaces and outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained. Always keep your distance from others.

Byte1 11-19-2020 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1863007)
The Villages have about everything open, Not on the advice of medical experts. It is open because it was decreed that way by our big-time state tribal leader called a Governor. And this tribal leader has allegiance to ...........something? Out West and in the northern mid-west, the CV is raging and their rec centerlike places called gyms are closing down, and indoor restaurants are closing.

In reality, as a conclusion - we are living in a time period called "before CV and after CV". TV Land has been lucky so far. And some are looking ahead to a vaccine to put all of the broken Humpty-dumpty of America back together again. I predict that that does NOT go smoothly - NOTHING in life goes smoothly. The rec center question is just a microcosm of the greater macro forces of a national nature!
SO the Villages is violating everything that you believe and yet have hardly any virus related deaths(compared to everywhere else). Go figure. And you believe it is due to "LUCK?" What's luck got to do with your "science?" I am not denying the existence of luck, but I am denying the absolutes of "science."

coffeebean 11-19-2020 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1862959)
The other day at my doctor's office the nurse checked my oxygen level as well as BP, pulse, etc. My oxygen level was 89. She told me to pull up my mask and take a couple breaths, my oxygen went up to it's normal 98. She said that she was seeing that a lot of people had low oxygen levels wearing masks. She has been a RN for a few decades now, so is she a liar?
What type of mask were you wearing? How many layers? Filter too? Was it easy to breath through your mask?

Bogie Shooter 11-19-2020 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1862901)
A simple question that could be answered with a phone call has once again turned into a debate on mask use. This debate appears to never have a conclusion.......
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1862977)
The US has less than 5% of the world's population. It has 19 % of the world's death. That suggests to me that the US has done SOMETHING(?) wrong! Since mask-wearing is the best available response that epidemiologists have STRONGLY suggested to us to do - and since most of we Americans have been propagandized toward not wearing masks - we of TV Land need to talk it out over and over until the CORRECT and unpropagandized message gets through. It is difficult to drill through the hardened layers of propaganda that have clouded the minds of zombiezed Americans. The goal of LIFE, liberty, and happiness starts with LIFE simply because you can't have liberty and happiness when you are DEAD!

I guess unless you maybe believe in reincarnation?

I think you are beating a dead horse.
Here are the past efforts.....



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NoMoSno 11-19-2020 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1863009)
I first heard about aerosols lingering in the air from the CDC.

CDC Says Coronavirus Might Be Adrift in Indoor Air - The New York Times
So are you wearing goggles also?

Pairadocs 11-19-2020 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1862761)
Why, do you want to get one of these minimum wage employees in trouble? Just wear your mask and stay away from people.
Or .... if you don't like to go, or are not allowed by your doctor, etc. to go, into a place where all are NOT masked, what about.... do NOT go on in ? This applies to the bank, the school, the rec center, or Publix. Simple ? If it is personally, PERSONALLY threatening to YOU (don't worry about other people, worry about YOU), then do not frequent those places. If you feel more comfortable outside, do outside things, if you don't feel completely safe outside either, stay in your own house and do not let anyone else in, use inst-cart, have meds delivered, order clothing, shoes, Christmas presents on line and have mailed or use curb side pickup. But the endless/useless discussions about what OTHER people should do, or WHO should wear a mask at WHICH rec center is just on the border of insanity. Maybe passing information on there that might be helpful to others would be a good idea. Things like: Went to El Santiago rec center yesterday, they don't wear masks there (so a person who wants to play pool could be aware and go to another), or forming fall pickle-ball teams, masks NOT required, Base ball card collectors are meeting again at _____ rec center, be aware if you want to come our club does require masking ! Things like this would be HELPFUL, and, it would (hopefully) stop all those on either "side" of this to STOP telling others to do what they think or believe ! Adults ? We are a mature, educated, experienced community... or so they say !

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1863034)
I saw an interview on TV the other day that made my mouth drop open in disbelief. An ICU nurse said that she has had patients, sick with Covid, come off a ventilator and say that they do not believe they were sick with Covid because they truly believe this pandemic is a hoax. She was in near tears explaining how overworked she and her colleagues are and trying their best to save the lives of these people. There is just something very wrong about this. I was aghast listening to her. People can be such fools.
Just shows the strength of propaganda. We must be underestimating its influence. Social media has math models designed to KEEP you in front of your screen for long periods of time. You get slowly pushed toward like-thinking users. Then you get propagandized and even radicalized. There is little diversity of thinking. Like everything else, social media has an upside and a downside. We get wedged into groups like mask wearers and non-mask wearers.

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1863037)
SO the Villages is violating everything that you believe and yet have hardly any virus related deaths(compared to everywhere else). Go figure. And you believe it is due to "LUCK?" What's luck got to do with your "science?" I am not denying the existence of luck, but I am denying the absolutes of "science."
True so far. I hope it continues!

Pairadocs 11-19-2020 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1863020)
Look up confirmation bias. I don't believe all, even capitalized, is strictly accurate.

Other possible reasons for the large percentage in the US:
- Not the highest ratio in the world (top 10? maybe)
- Higher population density in areas of the US that are spiking
- Mis-steps in the beginning (NY nursing homes among others)
- No lockdowns (I don't want to live in a country with police on every corner asking for my papers if I leave my house)
- Poor counting in some countries
- Generally obstinate
- Too many "experts" demanding something today then something different tomorrow
- Fake news (from all sides) driving a lack of compliance (and common sense)
- US love of freedom - Don't Tread on Me - Just leave me the h**l alone
And even more can be added. You probably realize how easily one can manipulate stats without changing any FACT (just sorting on different variables of the study, etc. etc.) and publish them to reinforce your original hypothesis (learned that little trick in grad school research, without ever lying, you can publish your data in the most advantageous way to support your hypothesis. Give me your data, I'll show you how to display it without being nefarious or unprincipled. Also, have you noticed how (some) people on here seem to actually believe statements such as "ALL experts agree that......." and so on. Most certainly they do not (example resent research on the use of NON medical cotton masks in marine corps basic training barracks, the Danish research (one of the largest projects thus far) that showed NO protection to the person wearing the little cotton fabric mask and inconclusive if it protects OTHER from the virus, "possibly" from wet droplets of a sneeze, possibly for a bacteria, but not evidence of protection from covid ! Greatest benefit, gives frightened individuals a SLIGHT reduction of psychological anxiety, even from just the act of donning the mask before going out, but, it does not come close to the damage from the LONG STANDING stress and anxiety of living in an environment, such as a big city in India or Nepal where masks are required to for "normal" breathing due to the pollution. Not "against" masks, but this false sense of doing something as "protection" can be very harmful in a number of ways.

jimjamuser 11-19-2020 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1863049)
I think you are beating a dead horse.
Here are the past efforts.....



https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ighlight=masks 333 posts


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ighlight=masks 96 posts

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ighlight=masks 56 posts

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...rchid=18739096 205 posts


:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Who IS Dr. Mercola - the Q doctor? I have never heard his name mentioned anywhere but on this forum? DR. Atlas is a joke. Maybe they share the same office in the Q-building?


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