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graciegirl 12-30-2011 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villages07;***988
Nothing in today's paper.

Cappy ... thanks for starting this thread. It's important to be aware of what's going on in our hometown...the good and the bad.

I also applaud the classy way you handled some of the disagreeable replies. There is a better view from the high road.

I have ALWAYS liked you, but I feel the need to rehug you and you of course are a decent, fair and KIND person. :spoken:

graciegirl 12-30-2011 08:09 AM

My new years resolution is to try not to quell rumors, defend anyone, and work harder on being funny.

I am very big on being hugged. I have issues.

cappyjon431 12-30-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Posh 08;***996
Just curious, does any radio station carry local news? Did anybody call the Sheriff's Office for info?

I did not call the sheriff's office, but my wife received confirmation from her supervisor at work. Hospital employees also received an email yesterday confirming the incident happened on December 28th, that a gun was involved, and that if employees feel unsafe walking to their cars at night they can request to be escorted by a guard.

Posh 08 12-30-2011 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 434005)
I did not call the sheriff's office, but my wife received confirmation from her supervisor at work. Hospital employees also received an email yesterday confirming the incident happened on December 28th, that a gun was involved, and that if employees feel unsafe walking to their cars at night they can request to be escorted by a guard.

Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.

paulandjean 12-30-2011 09:11 AM

Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

nitehawk 12-30-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 434029)
Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

Maybe it my background - but I have been watching you watching the person of special interest. Be careful out there

Posh 08 12-30-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 434029)
Do not understand why so many are upset? The Newspaper,The Police. Who is to blame.You have to understand crime happens everyday even at the villages.Maybe its my background, I am always on alert. Still watch one village resident down on LSS,every time I am there. One person of special interest.

I think armed robbery is upsetting. Don't you?

The Shadow 12-30-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 434014)
Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.

7 kinds of hell, do you think everybody in Florida has a Sheriff escort 24 hours a day and on this day, this persons Sheriff escort failed to do his duty.

OR

Do you think the Sheriff’s department failed to do its duty to inform the victim that a responsible person would carry a weapon for self-defense and that the Sheriff is not a personal body guard?

Posh 08 12-30-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shadow (Post 434033)
7 kinds of hell, do you think everybody in Florida has a Sheriff escort 24 hours a day and on this day, this persons Sheriff escort failed to do his duty.

OR

Do you think the Sheriff’s department failed to do its duty to inform the victim that a responsible person would carry a weapon for self-defense and that the Sheriff is not a personal body guard?

I think that Sheriff's want to be re-elected. I think that when citizens have armed robberies and break-ins they should complain to the people sworn to protect them. I didn't say anything about escorts. That was your fantasy. Maybe the county has become a soft target for crime. Why?

Happinow 12-30-2011 09:38 AM

Crime in TV
 
I think what is upsetting is that this kind of thing happens in TV. By moving here, we all want to feel an extra sense of security but unfortunately in today's world you can never be too careful. We should all look over our shoulder when we are alone and maybe carry Pepper Spray when we are walking alone. You hear about crime all over the world and like to think that we are somewhat sheltered from it. Bottom line...crime may find you....be prepared. Living in a "Retirement Community" we may have a false sense of security. If we all look out for each other and keep our eyes open we can ban together and offer some comfort in knowing our neighbors and friends are looking out for us. I promise I'll do my part! Stay safe.

bkcunningham1 12-30-2011 09:46 AM

The hospital is on state route 441. A four-lane highway and a major thoroughfare. Good route for a quick getaway.

paulandjean 12-30-2011 10:43 AM

What a odd comment to my post. All I was saying isthat there is a person at the square that is looking to steal, or rip you off. I always keep and eye on him. now this poster is saying he is watching me. Very odd. But no sweat.

buggyone 12-30-2011 11:01 AM

What makes you believe that one person at Lake Sumter Square is trying to steal from you whenever you are there? I have seen a couple of odd characters there from time to time such as a guy in a tattered Army field jacket pertending to be a disabled veteran and asking for donations.

Is it their mannerism or how they are dressed or what?

Jhooman 12-30-2011 11:33 AM

Hello folks. We recently arrived from southern California. We grew accustomed to being hyper vigilante in our surroundings. At night we parked in well lighted areas, looked around to see if anyone was of suspicion. I carried my purse over my shoulder, still do. We had a security system in our home, doors locked at all times.

Since arriving to this lovely area, I've become aware of the have and have nots. The Villages is thriving with abundance, the outer areas is thriving with a poor economy. People are hurting here in Florida. Criminals will seek out easy targets and a quick exit. I've also become aware of how people leave their valuables in their golf carts. Yesterday we played the Lopez course then had lunch. We left our clubs on the cart, we took a seat so we could view our belongings from the restaurant.

Im very sorry for the victim that was robbed, thank God she was not injured physically, but she was injured mentally and emotionally. We all need to be aware of our surroundings, the The Village bubble is not real, it's an illusion.

Be careful folks, please don't become complacent.

Happy New Year, we are so pleased to be here, finally.:bigbow:

karostay 12-30-2011 11:49 AM

:agree: Don't develop a sense of false security living in TV
any gate is passable with out a gate key by anyone.
I have no idea why the are manned.Vendors, contractors from the outside wander at will. One would thing vendors would have to clear a security check before entering
Given the millions of dollars collected in fees each year a better system would be in place .Protecting the very people that make up the communities in TV

paulandjean 12-30-2011 11:52 AM

Never said this person is trying to steal from me.He dresses normal, but he matches the profile.

graciegirl 12-30-2011 12:01 PM

Tell us more about him. So we can be aware too. Does he look different or does he slide up behind you and feel your pockets? Or does he try to switch his purse for your wife's?

I am always interested in what triggers this awareness of a dangerous person?

janmcn 12-30-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 434100)
:agree: Don't develop a sense of false security living in TV
any gate is passable with out a gate key by anyone.
I have no idea why the are manned.Vendors, contractors from the outside wander at will. One would thing vendors would have to clear a security check before entering
Given the millions of dollars collected in fees each year a better system would be in place .Protecting the very people that make up the communities in TV

The developer opted for the system that is in place, so that Sumter County would pay to maintain the roads. The county will not maintain roads in a gated community. That's why everyone is allowed access, no questions asked.

buggyone 12-30-2011 12:18 PM

"All I was saying isthat there is a person at the square that is looking to steal, or rip you off. I always keep and eye on him."

I really would like to know what there is about this person that makes you think he is looking to steal or rip you off. What kind of profile does he match - especially if he dresses normal?

Let us all in on this so we can be on the lookout. Thanks.

cappyjon431 12-30-2011 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 434001)
I really, really, really, really like you. I feel the need to hug you, your wife and all of your pets. You are a decent, fair KIND person. :spoken:

Aw shucks Gracie, all I was trying to do was look out for my fellow TV'rs. I want us all to be happy, healthy, and safe this holiday season. Now my little doggie is always seeking extra hugs (like he doesn't get enough attention here at home:rolleyes:).

Figmo Bohica 12-30-2011 01:00 PM

First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

memason 12-30-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 434147)
First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

A very coherent and helpful post!

Thanks Figmo!

Indydealmaker 12-30-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 434147)
First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

Well spoken!

rubicon 12-30-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cappyjon431;***890
Well, I hate to say it, but it was not a rumor, it was confirmed by my wife's supervisor at the hospital. Not a lot of details, but a gun was involved, it was a female hospital employee (not a nurse but also not a volunteer). and it happened at a remote parking lot by the helicopter landing pad.

Hopefully the Sun will report it in the next day or so just to put the word out there--remember, a lot of TV residents are not on TOTV. I never intended to bash the Sun, like I posted earlier it does a good job for what it does, but comprehensive reporting (especially crime reporting) should not be expected. They do run the "Ploice Blotter" in the local section (I think on Mondays), but they usually only show a log of arrests, not of crimes that were committed. Gracie, I know that they reported the jewelry thefts, but in my mind there is a big difference between a burglary and a robbery. A robbery with a gun is a lot scarier to most folks and certainly could be considered very bad "publicity." I certainly am not claiming "conspiracy theory," I just don't have real high expectations of the local paper.

I offered to drive my wife to work tonight in case she was scared. She said it was not necessary because she drives her cart to work and parks right outside the hospital doors. She also said that since she only carries a dollar in her purse to work, she would consider asking the robber for some cash to help defray our Christmas expenses. At least she has a sense of humor about it.

cappyjon431: It is not you who should be explaining or aplogizing but the rude and judgemental poster who jumped the gun (pun intended). it was a down right drag out attack and there is not excuse for such behaior. As other posters realized your information was helpful and timely.

Finally I keep asking myself why so many village residents come to the defense of The villages so quickly. It doesn't need any defending. We are all fine here and live a good life and in a safer place than most. Please chill out The villages speaks for itself.

TrudyM 12-30-2011 02:23 PM

Do local teens have nothing to do - trouble follows?
 
Hi,
AS YOU HAVE ALL STATED THAT THE VILLAGES HAS NO HIGHER CRIME RATE THAN MOST PLACES, SO IS THE FOLLOWING NO LONGER TRUE?

This is sort of related. I recently met a 30ish gal who attended your local high school. Obviously it was years ago (maybe 13 or so). Her concern with our plan to move to the villages is that when she lived there the high school kids in the area had nothing to do, so they were major into drugs and drinking. She said it was a bad scene for the villages as some of the seniors and their homes were easy targets to support these kids drug habits. She was very glad when they moved away.

Trudy M
Will I ever get to the villages?

2BNTV 12-30-2011 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=cappyjon431;434128] I want us all to be happy, healthy, and safe this holiday season.

cappyjon:

You are a cool dude. :) Thanks for posting.

2BNTV 12-30-2011 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 434147)
First off, TV is a great place to live. We all have earned, worked hard and expect to enjoy the years that we have left living in a place like TV. But not all that are here are wonderful kind friendly people.

Second, the sheriff's Department, the local police, the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, AFT, and on and on have no responsibility to protect you. They are reactive not proactive in solving crimes. All law enforcemnt agency are historical gathering agencies. They want to find enough evidence to prove who did the crime and bring them to justice. They are not there to stop the crime from happening in the first place. Google it, several cases have went all the way to the SCOTUS and the finding was and still is; The police do not have to provide you individual protection.

Third, that leaves it to protecting and taking care of ourselves. You don't have to carry a firearm or have a personal armed body guard with you at all times, but you can take some measures to protect yourself and your loved ones.

The four “As” – aware, alert, act, and alive. This applies to everything—daily life, driving, and to a self-defense situation.

“Aware” means you recognize, believe, accept and understand that there are various kinds of dangers in daily life, and that – yes – it really can happen to you. If this is your mind-set, it is easier to remain properly alert.

“Alert” means that you are attentive to your environment, so your physical senses and intuition are turned on and tuned in. Jeff Cooper listed alertness as the first principle of personal defense. When you believe it can happen to you, your brain is geared to look for things that don’t look right; then you can avoid them. In the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, he writes that to “fear less,” you should trust your feelings.

Then “Act.” Take appropriate action based on indicators your brain picks up, often at the subliminal level. Even though our modern, civilized conscious mind isn’t always able to recognize what the threat is. Being prepared to act can be based on “crisis rehearsal”. Do some mental imaging, do some training, visualize and mentally see yourself defending yourself, successfully surviving and prevailing. No one knows exactly what we may do, but if we have trained, we have a pretty good idea of our responses. We will respond as we have trained. Act on the threat indicators, and you can remain alive.

And that’s the final “A” – Alive. This is not all doom and gloom. There is more to being alive than just avoiding threats and danger. Yes it’s often a dangerous world, but if you are paying attention to your surroundings - not just walking around looking at the cracks in the sidewalk – you will also be more aware of the beauty all around. You’ll see the flowers, the sunshine, the kids playing, because you’re not focused on yourself and your problems. Keep your head and eyes up and pay attention, and enjoy.

[B]Lets enjoy our remaining years by being just a little more careful in our daily lives.

[/B]And I may add, "help one another"

Great Post FB.

Figmo Bohica 12-30-2011 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 434181)
[/B]And I may add, "help one another"

Great Post FB.

You surely may add that. Being nice costing nothing and getting a smile back is worth the effort. Who knows you might make a new friend.

janmcn 12-30-2011 03:53 PM

:bigbow:
Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 434168)
cappyjon431: It is not you who should be explaining or aplogizing but the rude and judgemental poster who jumped the gun (pun intended). it was a down right drag out attack and there is not excuse for such behaior. As other posters realized your information was helpful and timely.

Finally I keep asking myself why so many village residents come to the defense of The villages so quickly. It doesn't need any defending. We are all fine here and live a good life and in a safer place than most. Please chill out The villages speaks for itself.

Very well said. Bombero needs to stay on his meds.

bkcunningham1 12-30-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrudyM (Post 434171)
Hi,
AS YOU HAVE ALL STATED THAT THE VILLAGES HAS NO HIGHER CRIME RATE THAN MOST PLACES, SO IS THE FOLLOWING NO LONGER TRUE?

This is sort of related. I recently met a 30ish gal who attended your local high school. Obviously it was years ago (maybe 13 or so). Her concern with our plan to move to the villages is that when she lived there the high school kids in the area had nothing to do, so they were major into drugs and drinking. She said it was a bad scene for the villages as some of the seniors and their homes were easy targets to support these kids drug habits. She was very glad when they moved away.

Trudy M
Will I ever get to the villages?

What do they want to do? There are gates, but as people have said, the gates are just for show and to take photos of the people entering through the gates; you can go anywhere in this big old world that you want.

charlie49 12-30-2011 05:39 PM

Apology in the Works?
 
Bombero must be working on drafting their apology.

CMANN 12-30-2011 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone;***886
Instead of these comments about bashing the Daily Sun, if someone would pick up their phone and call the Sumter County Sheriff Office - this whole thing could be resolved very easily.

Wouldnt be as much fun.



This is proly the only non negitive coment that from me, you will generate.

buggyone 12-30-2011 06:00 PM

Well, CMANN, I am very happy that I could get a non-negative response out of you before the New Year.

Best of everything to you and yours in 2012.

Bogie Shooter 12-30-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Posh 08 (Post 434014)
Thanks for the heads up. I think if I were a resident I'd be calling the Sheriff's Office and raising 7 kinds of hell about this incident.

Why? What did the sheriff do wrong??

TF Hutch 12-30-2011 10:12 PM

Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

Bill-n-Brillo 12-30-2011 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF Hutch (Post 434352)
Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

"F" It, Got My Orders.

Bill :)

BobKat1 12-30-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF Hutch (Post 434352)
Figmo,
I am aware of your last sceen name, BOHICA meaning "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again" but what does FIGMO mean?

When i was in the military it meant F It Got My Orders.:) I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That's about the nicest way I could think of to describe it. It might mean something different, not sure.

TF Hutch 12-30-2011 10:30 PM

Thank you!

TF Hutch 12-30-2011 10:38 PM

Is there a course that teaches Figmo's "4As" in the Villages or is that part of Carry Concealed Weapons training?

CarGuys 12-30-2011 10:39 PM

Huh!
 
Must have been shelterd in the Coast Guard! FIGMO Heard alot of F-Bombs but orders were just that orders! The BOHICA is that not part of closing costs?

FIGMO BOHICA and all this time I though you were from a Latin decent-

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


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