I can see it know, I do not use the pools and recreation centers so I should not pay my "amenities fees" either. Or else I have to get me one of those felonies.

Critics
 

As I said, you can always find a critics..They are easy to find as it is
much easier to be a critic than to be creative. What is difficult to find are those who don't agree with some suggestions/recommendations and offer up
alternatives or suggestions. It is reasonable that some do not agree with suggestions regarding residents exposures to some convicted violent criminals but do they have any independent ideas of thoughts? As the good Security
expert once said, "the time you recognize you need protection is the day after you were robbed, etc".:popcorn:

What?

What? Or a good sense of humor.

A few residents might choose to go the felony route rather than pay amenities! Hmmmmm, I wonder if skinny dipping qualifies. :icon_wink: Just kidding, Penn!

Are you talking about the attempted robbery at the hospital or about convicted felons who might live in TV, in general? If someone has a felony conviction, has served their sentence and is now free....well, if they live here and pay their fee...they have as much right as any other resident to use the facilities. Do we have lots of convicted felons living in TV? I know there are some...they're registered, but are abiding by the terms of their release, at least I do believe they are. Are you suggesting that they might not be?

Now we've both changed the thread...it was initially meant to make people aware of potential danger...now we're talking about not allowing some residents, not sure what residents, to use the facilities they HAVE to pay for. Pardon me if I seem confused because at this point, it's confusing.

Time to put it to rest!
 

You can tell when a Post has lost its original meaning the purpose energy and direction or intent.

Time to say to this one! No more, night, goodbye over and out-

IMHO -

Nice to see a post that sticks to the topic of the thread! You certainly get my "KUDOS" Award! :BigApplause: Happy New Year and welcome to the whacky world of TOTV!!:beer3:

What??
 

You have a "robbery" and a suggestion to put controls on felons in THe Villages and some don't see the connection? It is better to try to find solutions than just participate in "gossip" !:ohdear:

Annie get your gun.
 

I say that it is another tempest in a teapot. You can worry if you want to.

It was an attempted robbery. It happened in the hospital parkling lot. The woman said she saw a man in a car with a gun who asked for her purse. She ran. He drove away. She fell. Was not badly injured.

It was in the morning, not in the middle of the night. The targeted person may or may not have been a nurse, a patient, an employee or a visitor. He didn't get her purse.

We have close to 90 thousand people living here. It is not Fort Apache, The Bronx. YET.

Doesn't this assume that the "robber" was, in fact, a resident of TV? That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make and one that has never been suggested.

I started this thread and I only had two intentions: 1)To see if anyone could confirm a report I had heard about an attempted robbery, and 2) To get the word out there if there was indeed a threat.

Well, it was confirmed through several sources (including the Sun) and the word got out there, so my goals were met.

If people want to use this thread as a forum for controlling felons who live in TV, or as a way of fighting TV doggie doo perpetrators or to establish garden gnome/pink flamingo patrols, it is their right. While you're at it, I saw a mini-van on a multimodal path yesterday and I could see how this may be related to a robbery.

Truthfully, I am all for retiring this thread.

LOL, it's called opening up Pandora's Box. :laugh: We all have personal "hot buttons" that we trot out at the first opportunity, and I'm including myself in that! :blahblahblah:

Read
 

My goodness..read the paper each Monday and see the number of residents who are charged (not yet convicted of a felony) and then go into denial. We have a great community of about 90,000 with some bad people. The question was whether anything can be done about "bad" people who reside in our community and continue to expose others to their bad behavior. I don't understand why some want to avoid setting or try to set boundries but so be it. I agree, close the thread and go back to accepting what ever comes. :popcorn:

It is your thread and you can end it, Cappy. Happy New Year. When are you two going to stop by?

And how do you propose to POLICE your little felony rule. What a wacky idea.

I read the police blotter every Monday. Better than 95% of the reported crimes are from residents of Wildwood, Fruitland Park, Oxford, Weirsdale, etc. A VERY small minority are identified as Village residents. With all due respect, I suggest you might read the blotter a little more carefully. Out of all the reported incidents in yesterday's police blotter, there were probably only two or three (don't remember exactly) who were Village residents, one was for petit theft and one was for DUI.

I am not suggesting there is no crime in the area, there certainly is, but I think you might be overstating the amount of crime committed by Village residents. If I am wrong, please let me know where you get this info about all this crime being perpetuated by TV residents.

:evil6::evil6:Petit theft, the theft from the little people, or the theft of gnomes? :evil6:

Mea Culpa dear Ed

Little People Unite,:sing:

Another Village resident arrested. No more pickleball for you, sir.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

Gonna share??? :1rotfl:

Bill :wave:

Happy New year's to You GG. I am a little reluctant to end it, I don't want anybody to feel that they didn't get a chance to chime in with their thoughts (and I am very curious to find out about all the convicted felons residing in TV as mentioned by a previous poster).

Hopefully we'll get to meet you at the next Crispers luncheon!

Fair question. :confused::popcorn:

The question would have been a fair one if it had been asked in a friendly TOTV community spirit without the smart*** tone.

146 ( now 147) posts on an "attempted robbery by gunpoint"? Back where we came from there were dozens of serious crimes like this PER DAY and it wasn't even a big city........

Just sayin.......

:spoken:

I know of a retired M.D. who lives here that says that seniors are very fearful. Very.

I know some who definitely are fearful. I'm not. Maybe I'm foolish.

I take it you have had some annoying issues with healthcare. I understand that. It ain't cheap anymore.

No. I meant that seniors have some difficulty with fear in general. It may be due to some disturbance with the chemical levels of serotonin in the brain.

If a person is suffering from abnormal fear, he/she does not look at it as abnormal fear and will argue that it is just using common sense to address the perceived danger. Just as a person who is hoarding does not look at it as hoarding but just keeping items that can be used eventually.

Fear is NOT a character weakness in this case, or a reaction to social issues. It appears to be a symptom of aging in some cases.

If we have it, we probably don't think we have it...

Gotta go see if I locked the front door.....

It all is a manner of how you look at it and maybe where you lived before.
 

I feel no differently here than I did in Ohio, that this is a reasonably safe place and I go about my business in the same way as I did up there. I notice people and their behaviors, always have. Most are the usual type of folks I am used to. Some are more aggressive in their manner, but that seems almost geographic and is probably quite usual to them. Midwesternes will probably be polite to you right up to when they gut you and hang you from a tree.

I don't want to tempt someone to steal my golfclubs so I park around the back of country clubs when we have lunch after golf. I am blessed to have not one but two traveling companions most of the time here with my husband and daughter. Ditto in our home. I feel quite safe, day or night. Don't really care for expensive jewelry, but would wrestle any body to the floor who was gonna steal my stainless steel dutch oven.

I was VERY fearful, nearly sick with fear when our Helene had cancer and I worry way too much about our grandchildren because they too haven't had any bad things or awful things happen to them. I think my worries are normal, but who knows. I am frequently told by my children to "chill".

Another great post by Gracie. It puts things in the proper perspective in that our health anfd the health of our love ones are what's most important.

One must be concerned about our safety but awareness and not doing anything to put ourselves in unheeed danger are important. OP has stated some tips on what needs to be done to ensure safety. I think TV is a safe place to live and refuse to be consumed of "what might happen if" scenarios.

Don't Understand
 

I honestly don't understand why some have a strong reluctance to set boundries and consequences? Accomplishing these does not mean there is fear or that it is because of being older although there may be a connection between life's experiences and recognizing when you are enabling future bad behavior or not setting boundries.
I have noted a host of reasons to avoid these when a resident commits a felony and in particular assult, robbery, etc. Some make "jokes", some blame the victium (e.g. age of fear), some try to bully by intimidating the writer into "shutting up", some mock the suggestions, and so on. All of these
avoid setting boundries or establishing community consequences for abusing
the privilege of using the terrific amenities we all enjoy.
I am not in fear as I have worked in some pretty sensitive areas/cities,
have traveled all over the world and in some "bad" areas. My age does not
dictate a fear but my age does recognize that without boudries and
consequences people have no reason to change. Avoiding the discussion
through the above attempts at "killing" an interchange of ideas is only a form of denial.:popcorn:

For the sake of encouraging discussion and an "interchange of ideas," I am still looking for any evidence of residents committing felonies. You suggested reading Monday's paper to see all the arrests of TV residents. I replied that I do read the police blotter every Monday and the large majority of those arrested were residents of outlying communities and that those who were TV residents usually were arrested for misdemeanors. I asked for you to provide info on "all the TV residents who were committing felonies" but as far as I can tell you are refusing to participate in this interchange of ideas.

I have no problem with suggesting taking away amenity privileges for convicted felons (even though some suggest this is unenforceable), but I still don't see too many TV residents committing crimes (especially felonies). Once again, If I am wrong, please document all these criminals residing in TV.

In addition, I don't see taking away pickleball, swimming, shuffleboard and golfing privileges as much of a deterrent to those who truly want to commit a crime. :)

Yes, PennBF who are these people?

What about registered sex offenders? Where do you draw the line?

Very good question. If someone committed one of these offenses 30 years ago but moved into TV and has been living in TV for many years (paying the amenity fee each month), would it be legally/morally right to take away their amenities for crime committed decades ago?

Of course I am more concerned with all of these current "bad guys" that now live in TV.

Convicted felons lose many civil rights, depending on the State, such as the right to vote, own a firearm, hold political office, certain employment opportunities, government assistance/housing, etc., etc. However, I don’t think it would be legal for an individual community or development to arbitrarily deny access to facilities based on a felony conviction, beyond what is allowed or required by law. Would it? I don’t know...might be a good question for the “ask a lawyer” section, strictly as a point of interest. But I agree with Cappyjon...I don’t see this as a big problem (felonious Villagers).

As far as registered sex offenders, they have their own (State mandated) requirements as far as where they can live and what they can do.

Give Up
 

I give up..It is not possible to have reasonable discussions when some are in denial. If you read the paper on a regular basis you will note the high number of felonies and unfortunately a good portion are persons under the age of 65.
I don't intend to try to defend the number or the need for boundries and consequence's as when there is a strong indication of denials or need to
take a negative or argumental position regardless of facts then it is useless to try to have a serious debate. It does not take a lot of research to see the felonies documented in the paper with "The Villages" as location of residence. To deny this is to (a) indicate a lack of reading the paper on Mondays with the list of crimes and residence of the perosns and/or (b) denial that it happens and/or (c) just trying to argue for the sake of filling in down time. None of which deserves either an answer or further waste of time.:popcorn:
PS: In some cases DUI is a felony and puts the others using the roads at risk. To downplay a DUI as though it is just a little infraction is sad as it is a very serious problem and I feel confident the average Law Enforcement Officer would not say it is just a minor violation of the law.

I am pretty certain that we do have convicted felons living side by side with us. Many however could be new convictions or from many years past.No sweat.