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Bill14564 07-14-2023 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bogmonster (Post 2235166)
The signs coming into the circle mean nothing other than a recommendation of what you should do. The lines on the road are law. Look closely at them the next time you drive in a RAB and remember the inside lane ALWAYS has the right of way.

Wrong

deputydoc 07-14-2023 05:54 AM

Um yea wrong again. Maybe you should read the signs posted at every round a bout

kenpoboy 07-14-2023 05:56 AM

Correct
 
This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

crash 07-14-2023 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

If you are turning left you are supposed to be in the inside lane. If you are in the outside lane you are turning left from the right hand lane and if an accident happens you will be at fault and might be the one being sued c

Tyson 07-14-2023 06:11 AM

You are correct. If your going around a roundabout from the outside lane and im going straight from the inside lane Morgan & Morgan here we come.

dewilson58 07-14-2023 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kenpoboy (Post 2235174)
This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

What about "left lane" continue to 6.

cjrjck 07-14-2023 06:19 AM

The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. If I am in the outside lane and there is a vehicle even with me or ahead of me in the inside lane I know that the vehicle may be exiting to the right at the next exit and I am prepared to yield. If I am in the inside lane preparing to exit to the right, I'll make sure I have the room to do it if there is a vehicle beside me or behind me in the outside lane. What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

Rich42 07-14-2023 06:21 AM

Biggest problem with OPs logic is it is based on “common sense”…….that is not in many villagers DNA.

midiwiz 07-14-2023 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2235077)
Have you done any research on the traffic laws for roundabouts?

there are none in florida directly addressing roundabouts only 'fringe' laws that would apply to them

Dilligas 07-14-2023 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

There are signs before each roundabout and there are arrows painted on the road. Each roundabout has solid and broken lines painted on the surface. There is a pamphlet handed out by TV. Stop making up your own rules because you think your “common sense” knows better.

gbs317 07-14-2023 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2235082)
This is not correct. If I enter to RAB at 6 and plan on exiting at 12, I may be in either lane. If I enter in the left lane, I stay there until my exit. At which point I cross the right lane to do it. If you are in the right lane, you must yield to me.
If you saw me on the RAB and entered alongside me, you are wrong. Cars on the RAB have the right of way.
It would be incorrect of me to enter on the left at 6 and exit at 9 however.

rules for roundabouts - Bing video

That was the best video on roundabouts I have seen….thx

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich42 (Post 2235186)
Biggest problem with OPs logic is it is based on “common sense”…….that is not in many villagers DNA.

There is no “common sense” in the OP, it is simply flat out wrong

bogmonster 07-14-2023 06:56 AM

Look at the lines. At every exit, the right lane exits. In order to remain in the RAB you have to cross a dashed line, hence you need to yield to the inside lane because you are crossing his lane. The arrows coming in only tell you what’s possible.

msmr23@gmail.com 07-14-2023 07:33 AM

Follow the lane markers
 
Follow the lane markers. Clearly marked. If you cross dashed line, must yield. Most inside lanes exit and cross outside lane. Thus outside lane must yield. Never cross a solid line, cross dashed line carefully.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2235050)
And the argument starts again. Fact is that you may not know where the other car entered the circle and where they wish to turn. You can be right and still end up in the hospital. Is it worth being right? These circles should only be one lane, period.

I don't agree about these RABs being one lane. It is easy enough to understand how these RABs should be navigated. Rule of thumb.......always assume cars in the RAB are going to cut you off. I NEVER EVER drive directly next to another vehicle in the RAB. I vary my speed to make sure that does not happen.

Rodneysblue 07-14-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

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Mass288 07-14-2023 07:52 AM

Roundabout/Rotary
 
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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2235109)
How about everybody just slow down and drive defensively?

Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2235183)
The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. If I am in the outside lane and there is a vehicle even with me or ahead of me in the inside lane I know that the vehicle may be exiting to the right at the next exit and I am prepared to yield. If I am in the inside lane preparing to exit to the right, I'll make sure I have the room to do it if there is a vehicle beside me or behind me in the outside lane. What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

There shouldn't be a vehicle even with you inside the roundabout. If there is, it means they were already in there when you showed up. You were supposed to wait for them to exit or pass you. If you both came in FROM the same spot, then the guy on the inside -cannot- take the first exit, and you -cannot- cross to the inside lane. There would be no conflict at all, in that case, even if you both went to the second exit at the exact same time.

jarodrig 07-14-2023 07:58 AM

Rumor has it that “dog poop “ threads were gaining steam (or is that “stink”) so yet another “how to drive in a traffic circle” thread is born !! :)

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2023 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2235137)
Are you sure of what you said? Against whose rules? Exiting at 3rd you have right away in the inner lane, you must change lanes, which is against the rules, but if an accident its their fault..... You just said that was against the rules.
Having a hard time following your logic.

What am I missing?

You're not "changing" lanes. You're taking the exit. You're CROSSING the outside lane, to get to your exit. As a driver on the inside lane, YOU have that right to cross, and people entering the roundabout on the outside lane are required to wait until you have either exited, or passed the exit, before entering the circle.

Bill14564 07-14-2023 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bogmonster (Post 2235203)
Look at the lines. At every exit, the right lane exits. In order to remain in the RAB you have to cross a dashed line, hence you need to yield to the inside lane because you are crossing his lane. The arrows coming in only tell you what’s possible.

The only two times that would come into play is if a car entered the outside lane without yielding to a vehicle already in the inside lane or if two cars entered at the same time and the car in the inside lane attempted to make a right turn (90 degree exit, 3:00 exit).

In the first case the car not yielding was in the wrong. The driver in the inside lane has the right of way not because he is in the inside lane but because he was already in the roundabout.

In the second case the car in the inside lane was in the wrong. He doesn't get to exit improperly just because the lines are dashed for the outside lane. The car in the outside lane has the "right" to go straight due to where they both entered the roundabout.

I'll need to find the statutes again but I don't believe the lines carry the weight of law that you seem to think they do. I believe they indicate what "should" occur and not what "shall" occur. But again, that depends on how the Florida statutes are written.

conman5652@aol.com 07-14-2023 08:02 AM

Wrong

jimmagrann 07-14-2023 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235043)
And if I’m in the inside lane and going straight through and you’re in the outside lane going around 270, I promise you I’ll sue AND win

Only if you have an independent witness, not a passenger

Mikee1 07-14-2023 08:03 AM

It's really easy folks.... The vehicle that crosses the dotted white line must yield. Just like driving straight. Cross the dotted white line you must yield

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235063)
I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

You need to refer to the "side road" as EXITS 1, 2, 3 and 4.

When you enter the RAB............

Exit #1 is a right turn and you must enter the RAB in the outside lane.

Exit #2 is going straight when you enter the RAB from the outside or the inside lane.

Exit #3 is a left turn and you must enter the RAB in the inside lane.

Exit #4 is a U Turn and you must enter the RAB in the inside lane.

Hope that helps.

Heytubes 07-14-2023 08:03 AM

What’s that little lever on the left side under my steering wheel for?

Mass288 07-14-2023 08:05 AM

Help
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2235255)
You're not "changing" lanes. You're taking the exit. You're CROSSING the outside lane, to get to your exit. As a driver on the inside lane, YOU have that right to cross, and people entering the roundabout on the outside lane are required to wait until you have either exited, or passed the exit, before entering the circle.

I drive these daily and now you all have me confused simple people just wait one second until the one in the rotary passes you then enter..easy peasy

Bogie Shooter 07-14-2023 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Flynguy (Post 2235220)
. I agree with that, but since I’ve been here, (1.5 months), I’ve come to realize that the elderly drivers are somewhat oblivious to their surroundings. They own these $80,000 cars, but they’re unable to negotiate the roadways efficiently. Getting old sucks, so we just have to be alert and use the IPDE process. Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. Stay clear of them as many of them are likely impaired by Rx or alcohol or… BOTH!


Making a lot of assumptions about your new neighbors. :sad:

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2023 08:06 AM

I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

MSGirl 07-14-2023 08:07 AM

My husband was in the inside lane going straight. Guy is in the outside lane (or right lane) going left. He hits the right side of our car. Common sense. You wouldn’t make a left hand turn from the right lane on a straight road. Why would you think it’s ok in the roundabout?

mntlblok 07-14-2023 08:08 AM

Meggison style exception
 
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Originally Posted by kenpoboy (Post 2235174)
This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

Pedantic point here. 😀 Going south on Morse and meeting Meggison, there ain't no 12 o'clock.

I liked the analogy of the logic of regular intersection rules except maybe for the "stop, turn right on red" situation - when making that right turn onto a road which has more than one lane, whose *right* lane is clear but whose "next" lane *isn't*. Actually, I still like it, but it has me wondering about whether that right turn should be made prior to that "next" lane becoming totally clear, as well. And, I *do* ponder it every time the situation arises - knowing that some of you folks will be blaring your horns from behind should I be exercising "excessive" caution. 😀

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2235086)
Based on all these above comments, it’s pretty clear that it’s every man, and woman, for themselves.

If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2235101)
Yeah, that is about right.

I always drive slowly in a roundabout and have my hand on the horn. If I see another person driving incorrectly, I give them a long honk and keep honking until they are out of my way.

I think to lay on the horn is a bad idea in a RAB. You may startle someone and who knows what they might do in such a confined space such as the RAB.

I have had the opportunity to lay on the horn to let a driver be aware they did something incorrect but I just don't do that when in the RABs. Yes, I'm from New York.

mntlblok 07-14-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mass288 (Post 2235250)
Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

Spirally.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235116)
Roundabouts are just like an intersection with a traffic light. If you are turning right, you must be in the far right lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic light. Signal, then make the right turn keeping your lane.

If you are going straight thru, you can be in either lane, you do not signal, and exit on the opposite side of the circle.

If you are turning left, you must be in the left lane before entering the circle. Just like at a traffic signal. You signal that you are turning left. When you proceed, You will be on the inside of the circle. Drive thru until you reach the exit, keep your lane and exit. No need to cross over lanes. The circle is designed to avoid this. The lanes lead you out without confusion everytime!

If you have to make a full circle, you must be in the left lane. Just like if you were making a u turn at a traffic light. Signal, then make your u turn inside the circle. Signal right to exit. Again, the lane will lead you out without having to cross lanes.

How and why is anyone crossing lanes? Just pretend there is a traffic light at each circle. Am I wrong? Starting to second guess myself.

You are 100% correct as that is the way I understand these RABs are to be navigated. In fact, I just posted exactly what you have said in this post but a bit more concise. We are on the same page.

SusanStCatherine 07-14-2023 08:18 AM

• Upon approach, yield to all traffic in the roundabout - wait for a gap - do not enter next to a vehicle in the roundabout
• Do not change lanes within the roundabout or as you exit (an exit from the inner lane at 9 or three-quarters cuts across outer lane)
• Do not overtake other vehicles or bicyclists within the
roundabout
• Use your signal just before exiting right - if taking the first exit at right at 3, put on right signal upon entering the outer lane of the roundabout

fdpaq0580 07-14-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235123)
Gotcha! But, I was assuming the driver wishing to enter knows to yield.

Suggestion. Never assume. Bad things happen when you least expect it. The only assumption I would make is that no one is going to do what you expect them to do.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2235129)
May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start. However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.

There should be no worry at all about having a collision if each and every driver YIELDS to anyone in the RABs, whether in the outside or the inside lanes. There will never be a collision if every driver does just this one simple rule of the RABs. Also, if you safely entered the RAB by yielding as you should, don't screw that up by speeding up. Maintain speed so you wont catch up to another vehicle.

mntlblok 07-14-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2235279)
If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

"Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them".

Proven conclusively within this very thread. So, considering that, I'm all for such threads continuing to appear.

I *do* take exception to the opinion that these RAB rules are simple and easy to understand "by all".

Mrfriendly 07-14-2023 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..

When we come to our home in Villages, we get dropped off by Groome and have access to our golf carts for our stay. Recently, we had the opportunity to borrow a friends car for several days. I was wondering how roundabout driving would be. I took my time, used my blinkers. No flipping the bird and no accidents. Easy Peezy.
I did get a little dizzy, driving a big distance of Morse Boulevard with all those roundabouts. 🤢


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