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Bill14564 07-14-2023 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2235266)
What’s that little lever on the left side under my steering wheel for?

In a roundabout, in many cases, it is to give other drivers a false indication of your intentions.

Is there enough space between exits in a roundabout to begin to signal the recommended distance prior to exiting without having the signal on while driving past an earlier exit?

Dilligas 07-14-2023 08:34 AM

I am glad we got that all figured out now......

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kenpoboy (Post 2235174)
This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

I think the OP may not understand the reference to these numbers. These numbers refer to the numbers on an analog clock (a clock with a face with the 12 numbers in a circle).

3 means 3 o'clock
6 means 6 o'clock
9 means 9'oclock
12 means 12 0'clock

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mass288 (Post 2235250)
Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????

Easy.....as you enter the RAB, picture an analog clock. You enter at 6 o'clock and exit at 9 o"clock. You have just complete a left turn. Oh, and don't forget you MUST ENTER THE RAB in the INSIDE LANE.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by conman5652@aol.com (Post 2235262)
Wrong

Who is wrong? We posters don't know that unless you quote the person you are addressing your comment to. By the time you posted your "wrong", there may be several other comments already posted. I prefer not to have to guess who is actually "wrong".
Thanks.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2235270)
I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

The one thing I do that I know is totally wrong is......I never signal when I'm planning to exit a RAB. When I am in the correct lane for the exit, I see no reason to signal my intention.

I also NEVER EVER trust another vehicle with a signal on. NEVER!!!!!

dewilson58 07-14-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2235327)
When I am in the correct lane for the exit, I see no reason to signal my intention.

Courtesy??

:pepper2:

TerryCamlin 07-14-2023 09:18 AM

It is amazing how many people cannot figure out the simple diagrams on the side of the road. No YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE LEFT LANE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN OR VISA VERSA. ON 44a going towards Buena Vista if you are going up towards 466a you should be in the left lane. If you are in the right lane you go 1/4 way thru the circle then straight. I blame the local counties also. There should be more arrows painted on the road because people are pretty clueless these days. We need an arrow with a red line painted thru it showing they cannot turn where they think they can. I have cameras and like the other writer you hit me I have cameras and you are going to court!!! Follow the big green signs and if you do not understand them you should not be driving. Agree it's not the snowbirds fault. I see it happen every single day.

srswans 07-14-2023 09:19 AM

Not True for All Roundabouts
 
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2235141)
Going straight through roundabout you can enter on inside lane and EXIT on inside lane.

Some roundabouts force inner lane driver to do a left turn (i.e., exit at 9 o’clock). 44A eastbound at Buena Vista for example.

Gotta look at sign for each roundabout.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2235331)
courtesy??

:pepper2:

nope.

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flynguy (Post 2235220)
. I agree with that, but since I’ve been here, (1.5 months), I’ve come to realize that the elderly drivers are somewhat oblivious to their surroundings. They own these $80,000 cars, but they’re unable to negotiate the roadways efficiently. Getting old sucks, so we just have to be alert and use the IPDE process. Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. Stay clear of them as many of them are likely impaired by Rx or alcohol or… BOTH!

You agree with an OP that’s totally wrong???

kimreniska@mac.com 07-14-2023 09:36 AM

Changing lanes in the roundabout is NOT prohibited. You can change lanes anywhere there are dashed lines.
if you are going 3/4 around, you have to change lanes to exit the circle.

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmagrann (Post 2235263)
Only if you have an independent witness, not a passenger

The nature of the impact would make what happened obvious

srswans 07-14-2023 09:38 AM

Signaling Never Gives You Right-of-Way
 
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235138)
You are missing the fact that a signaled driver inside the circle has the right of way….

First car in has right of way. Lane does not matter. Signaling does not matter.

donfey 07-14-2023 09:39 AM

Sorry, but NOPE!
 
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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235063)
I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

It is NEVER proper, or legal, to stay in the right lane when intending to make (what amounts to) a left hand turn. See the law:

Roundabouts

As a matter of safety, and common sense, try to avoid being NEXT TO another vehicle while approaching an "exit" in a roundabout, since too many drivers just don't get it!

Good luck - and "be safe out there."

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2235270)
I was entering the RB from 441 at Morse/Paige/El Camino Real. I slowed down to check for traffic coming around the RB to my left. I saw a car coming, and the driver put their turn signal on immediately after passing Paige, and they slowed down, in the outside lane. I thought - oh cool. They're exiting. So I sped up and entered the RB since they indicated they were exiting before they got to where I was.

I was wrong. They were just kidding. They had no intention of exiting at that exit. So they beeped and made nasty gestures to me - and tailgated me, beeping and gesturing and yelling at their windshield all the way to Banderas (which is where I turned to go to Publix).

All I could think about was - well - next time if they don't want to be inconvenienced by someone who is watching their movements to make sure it's safe to proceed, they should - be more accurate about the signals they're presenting.

You actually believed a turn signal in TV????? Bet you won’t make that mistake again 😂😂😂

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2235279)
If you mean "drive defensively", you are absolutely correct. These RABs will work perfectly every time if everyone, and I mean everyone, abides by the rules of the RABs. Having said that, it is impossible to expect that everyone understands the rules and abides by them.


So, back to square one. DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!!!

This thread proves that not everyone understands the rules

srswans 07-14-2023 09:44 AM

Agreed
 
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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2235183)
The multi lane roundabouts can be challenging. … What makes it difficult sometimes is a vehicle that enters the roundabout into the outside lane while I am in the inside lane with my turn coming up and then the vehicle speeds up to the point that trying to cross the outside lane to exit can be dangerous.

Yes, this is the combo where I have the most close calls. The solution is for the entering driver to wait longer (i.e., yield) and/or not speed up.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235351)
You agree with an OP that’s totally wrong???

I thought the same thing but didn't comment. I'm wondering if that poster has actually read the thread?

coffeebean 07-14-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kimreniska@mac.com (Post 2235354)
Changing lanes in the roundabout is NOT prohibited. You can change lanes anywhere there are dashed lines.
if you are going 3/4 around, you have to change lanes to exit the circle.

I believe we are discussing semantics here. When exiting and driving through the dashed lines, that is essentially changing lanes but not really. That maneuver is exiting the RAB by having to CROSS the outside lane. That should not really be considered CHANGING lanes.

coffeebean 07-14-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235364)
This thread proves that not everyone understands the rules

Isn't that the truth.

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2235367)
I thought the same thing but didn't comment. I'm wondering if that poster has actually read the thread?

My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.

Jeremy#1 07-14-2023 10:13 AM

Follow the arrows, some upper lanes only exit; ie, Seabreeze + use signals as Sumter County Sheriff has pamphlet of rules.

Bogie Shooter 07-14-2023 10:13 AM

The first benchmark of roundabout threads…..100 posts.:clap2:

Bogie Shooter 07-14-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235375)
My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremy#1 (Post 2235379)
follow the arrows, some upper lanes only exit; ie, seabreeze + use signals as sumter county sheriff has pamphlet of rules.

what???????

Warcats 07-14-2023 10:16 AM

round about madness
 
[QUOTE=Pettys1;2235029]If you know you're turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..[/QUOTE -------
We have found that the northernmost rotary on Morse just before the highway is best cleared out with heavy mortar fire before entering Some of the yahoos who come off the highway I have seen plow through without any care. A sniper tower in the middle of the round about might deter this behavior. LOL]

golfing eagles 07-14-2023 10:19 AM

[QUOTE=Warcats;2235384]
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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know you're turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..[/QUOTE -------
We have found that the northernmost rotary on Morse just before the highway is best cleared out with heavy mortar fire before entering Some of the yahoos who come off the highway I have seen plow through without any care. A sniper tower in the middle of the round about might deter this behavior. LOL]

A minefield or a small nuclear device could work as well 😂😂😂

goodoldan 07-14-2023 10:53 AM

Two excellent videos... as a new arrival to The Villages, these have made the two-lane RAB concepts pretty clear for me:

https://youtu.be/pTzWibBhSwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNboz5GPk

goodoldan 07-14-2023 11:22 AM

Two videos that helped make the two-lane RAB concepts pretty understandable for me (a new fulltime resident)...
RAB video #1
RAB video #2

ffresh 07-14-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2235129)
May depend upon signage. Some folks say that it is against the law to change lanes once you are in the roundabout. That logically cannot be correct. If you are on a two lane road entering a two-lane roundabout that has four inlet and outlets and you plan to go to the 3rd exit, you are normally expected to enter on the inside lane which allow exit on the 2nd and/or subsequent exits. So, you enter the inside lane and pass the 2nd exit , you now need to switch to the outside lane to exit at the 3rd exit from your start.
Actually, you do not "switch to the outside lane to exit", you traverse or cross the outside lane when exiting the 3rd exit.

However, you may be in competition with someone who has entered after your start. That is where your driving skills are put to test. That is not the time to assume you are OK to turn because you are ahead of the competition. This is the time to actually see acknowledgement OK to turn or make another revolution. You also have to understand that others may have a different understanding than you. Also, you have to pay attention to road markings
All true ... when I taught both of my boys to drive defensively (many years ago, LOL), I emphatically cautioned them ANY action could result in them being dead right - a position one does not want to be in - so keep your head on a swivel!

I spent many years in the Boston area with its much more complex road system and rotaries. The common theory there was to make sure you got the other driver's attention and agreement before a move.
Reminds me of the rotaries in Great Britain where most foreign drivers drive on the right side of the road (at home) but, there, you have to remind yourself to be sure to exit on the left side of the road unless you want to be surprised by oncoming traffic at 12 o'clock :22yikes:

It is irresponsible for posters to make statements of law that are not known to be true.

Unfortunately, people do it all the time (about almost everything).

And for those who are unsure, (from FDOT), yield to vehicles already in the roundabout, wait for a gap and enter; do not stop in the roundabout; do not pass other vehicles; use turn signal to exit the roundabout to the right.

Fred

talonip 07-14-2023 11:39 AM

You are absolutely right. This is where people don’t understand the rules.

Two Bills 07-14-2023 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by goodoldan (Post 2235427)
Two videos that helped make the two-lane RAB concepts pretty understandable for me (a new fulltime resident)...
RAB video #1
RAB video #2

They are very good videos.
For my 10 cents, one of the most important things to remember, yield to both/all lanes to your left before entering RAB.

sloanst 07-14-2023 12:13 PM

If you don't follow the prescribe round about rules defined by the state and you hit me, you'll be sued, I promise you. Just saying.
https://www.fdot.gov/docs/default-so...Roundabout.pdf

Chee-Chee 07-14-2023 12:30 PM

http://https://www.talkofthevillages...t-02-08-12-pdf

Kevin2 07-14-2023 12:30 PM

Roundabout Guidance 😎
 
Drivers entering the roundabout MUST yield to all traffic already in the circle! At the circle, you plan to turn right, go straight thru or turn left. Stay in the left lane to turn left & the right lane to turn right, and ALL lanes to go through! Hope this helps! 💕

cjrjck 07-14-2023 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2235252)
There shouldn't be a vehicle even with you inside the roundabout. If there is, it means they were already in there when you showed up. You were supposed to wait for them to exit or pass you. If you both came in FROM the same spot, then the guy on the inside -cannot- take the first exit, and you -cannot- cross to the inside lane. There would be no conflict at all, in that case, even if you both went to the second exit at the exact same time.

What? This is two days in a row where you don't make any sense. Yesterday it was your lesson on inflation. There are a number of reasons why you could be in the outside lane and another vehicle is in the inside lane and either next to you or slightly ahead. If they entered the roundabout via an entrance before yours, they will be turning right at some point.

mntlblok 07-14-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235375)
My experience on TOTV is that more than 1/2 of posters just blurt something out without reading, which is the reason for multiple posts stating exactly the same thing.

So, one should read all replies before commenting? 😀

mpelant 07-14-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235063)
I've been almost hit twice this week. I'm in the outside lane cause I'm turn on side road you don't turn Infront of another vehicle you go back around til you can get in the right lane

@Pettys1, I may have been one of those you say "I've been almost hit" when I was on the inside lane attempting to go, as others have described, from 6 to 12. You, or someone like you, came flying into the roundabout on the outside lane without regard to me on the inside lane and where I was going to exit. We came close to crashing but fortunately didn't. I'm glad to see on this forum that I was right. I have to admit, I thought I was in the right but it made me question it. In fact, just look at the picture of the roundabout signs. They show you can exit from 6 to 12 from the inside lane.

I'm glad to see the majority here supports my position.

mntlblok 07-14-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cjrjck (Post 2235470)
What? This is two days in a row where you don't make any sense. Yesterday it was your lesson on inflation. There are a number of reasons why you could be in the outside lane and another vehicle is in the inside lane and either next to you or slightly ahead. If they entered the roundabout via an entrance before yours, they will be turning right at some point.

Nothing like the inflation (admitted) error, and you've conflated "should" and "could".

Flickr That first nice video that was recommended sez "do not" merge next to a circulating vehicle.


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