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shut the front door 07-18-2023 06:28 PM

Looks like this post didn't turn out the way OP planned. As hard as it was to decipher the OP, it seems as though traffic law has escaped him/her as much as grammar lessons did.

kkingston57 07-18-2023 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235043)
And if I’m in the inside lane and going straight through and you’re in the outside lane going around 270, I promise you I’ll sue AND win

I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

Dotneko 07-18-2023 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2236769)
I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

OMG did you read any of the past pages? He is correct.

djlnc 07-18-2023 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2236769)
I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.

Rainger99 07-18-2023 07:03 PM

After reading all of the posts, it seems that about half of the people in the Villages have no idea how to drive in a roundabout!

I have learned that you must be extra careful in roundabouts and assume that people are going to make illegal turns. Best course of action is avoid other cars if at all possible!

Davonu 07-18-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236778)
Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.

Another example of why you should NEVER drive alongside another vehicle in a roundabout.

Two Bills 07-19-2023 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236778)
Look at the dashed lines on the road. The dashed lines leading from the inside lane, over the outside lane and to the exit means the inside lane can exit. The outside lane needs to yield.

No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.
That is the whole point of a roundabout system.
Unfortunately most Villagers seem to have their own interpretation of the system, that is why there is so much confusion.
It is a really a simple process, if you bother to take the time to just learn the rule!

golfing eagles 07-19-2023 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2236811)
No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.
That is the whole point of a roundabout system.
Unfortunately most Villagers seem to have their own interpretation of the system, that is why there is so much confusion.
It is a really a simple process, if you bother to take the time to just learn the rule!

Absolutely correct!
However, mama always says stupid is as stupid does.

The top reasons for problems in RBs:

1) drivers going to 3rd exit in outer lane
2) drivers entering RB when another vehicle is approaching in EITHER lane
3) drivers cutting across inner lane from outer lane and back again when going to 2nd exit
4) drivers trying to take 1st exit from inner lane
5) Idiots coming to dead stop in RB presumably to let someone enter (or play on cell phone 😂😂😂)

If we eliminate those actions (or drivers 😂😂😂) we might have those flawless RBs

djlnc 07-19-2023 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2236811)
No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
If cars are in correct lane, and enter when both lanes are clear to the left, no car has to give way to any other car in the roundabout.

That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

golfing eagles 07-19-2023 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236828)
That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

The problem with standing by that statement is that the driver in the outer lane that you state must yield has already proven they are an idiot by either trying for the 3rd exit in the outer lane or entering when a vehicle was approaching

djlnc 07-19-2023 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2236831)
The problem with standing by that statement is that the driver in the outer lane that you state must yield has already proven they are an idiot by either trying for the 3rd exit in the outer lane or entering when a vehicle was approaching

Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

Bill14564 07-19-2023 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236834)
Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

Better to say the outside lane must leave the roundabout at the second exit. Or, better to say the inside lane must not leave the roundabout at the first exit. Or, better to say the car in the outside lane should yield to traffic already in the roundabout before entering.

All the above demand proper behavior rather than accepting incorrect practices.

Two Bills 07-19-2023 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236828)
That's a big "if". I stand by my statement.

Still wrong though.
Better to say nothing than give bad advice..:shrug:

golfing eagles 07-19-2023 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236834)
Nevertheless, they must yield. Would you suggest they t-bone you instead?

They shouldn’t be there in the first place. But yes, after the idiot has placed both vehicles in that position, somebody better yield, and yes, you’re right, it should be the vehicle in the outer lane. But would you trust the driver who already proved they’re a moron to now have an epiphany and do the right thing????

Eg_cruz 07-19-2023 08:22 AM

Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

Eg_cruz 07-19-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kenpoboy (Post 2235174)
This is correct. Simple rules.....Everyone should consider themselves entering the ROB at 6. Your options are:

Left Lane: go to 12
Continue around to 9
Right Lane: go to 3
go to 12 (you cannot go past 12 from right lane)

Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

djlnc 07-19-2023 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2236841)
Still wrong though.
Better to say nothing than give bad advice..:shrug:

The OP claimed that he would not be at fault if he was in the outside lane and ran into someone crossing in front of him to exit from the inside lane. I'm simply stating that the outside lane must yield to the inside lane (no matter how they got there). Not bad advice, but a fact. The alternative is a crash.

fdpaq0580 07-19-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2236914)
Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

Good! But do you have any idea of how many numbskulls are gonna ask, "but what happens if you ENTER at the first or second exit?" Beware! They are out there.

djlnc 07-19-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2236923)
Good! But do you have any idea of how many numbskulls are gonna ask, "but what happens if you ENTER at the first or second exit?" Beware! They are out there.

"You are about to enter another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination."

Imagine, if you will, a car approaching the roundabout at 6, intending to exit at 12. Another car has just entered the roundabout at 9, in the inside lane, intending to exit at 3. The car at 6 enters the outside lane immediately after the car from 9 passes. The car from 9 slows down to make his exit at 3 (and of course does not signal). The car from 6 is very close behind him. If the car from 6 is not paying attention, and does not yield, it's collision time.

This is a case where everyone is pretty much following the rules, but danger lurks.

Two Bills 07-19-2023 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2236769)
I would bet against you. Roundabouts in TV are the most confusing round abouts that I have ever seen. Using your scenario you need to cross over the outside lane of traffic.

Roundabouts in TV are really simple to drive through, if you bother to learn how.
The only confusing thing about them is the drivers making up their own rules to navigate them.
Betting against GE in that scenario shows you are part of the problem, and not the answer.

Byte1 07-19-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2236904)
Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

If you think that you can't cross the solid line in the outside lane, then if you are in the outside lane you ALWAYS have to turn right at the first exit you encounter.

djlnc 07-19-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2236904)
Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

I don't think I've ever seen one of those - could you give an example?

coffeebean 07-19-2023 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2236764)
That's because - in a roundabout, if you want to "take a left" you go around the circle 3/4 and then turn your steering wheel to the RIGHT to exit the circle.

At an intersection, if you want to "take a left" you turn your steering wheel LEFT to exit the intersection.

AGREE...........What is so difficult to understand if you picture the RAB as an analog clock? You enter at 6:OO and exit at 9:00. Visualize that you have made a LEFT TURN even though you had to turn your steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB. This is not that difficult.

Her is another one......
Enter the RAB at 6:00 and exit at 12:00. You just went straight even though you had to turn you steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

It is a circle. If you don't turn your steering wheel to the right at any given time to exit, you will just go around in circles. Have fun. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-19-2023 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2237050)
What is so difficult to understand if you picture the RAB as an analog clock. You enter at 6:OO and exit at 9:00. Visualize that you have made a LEFT TURN even though you had to turn your steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB. This is not that difficult.

Her is another one......
Enter the RAB at 6:00 and exit at 12:00. You just went straight even though you had to turn you steering wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

It is a circle. If you don't turn your steering wheel to the right at any given time to exit, you will just go around in circles. Have fun. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

Byte1 07-19-2023 04:00 PM

Missouri Highway Patrol Sergeant Michael McClure:
"When leaving a roundabout from the inside lane of a 2-lane roundabout, do you have to yield to the outside lane? Don’t assume the driver in the outside lane is making a right turn. They may be continuing in the roundabout. So, yes. You should yield to avoid a collision."

Bill14564 07-19-2023 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237062)
That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

I have yet to see someone stuck in the circle because they can’t figure out how to get out.

We/I refer to the left exit because I know some people won’t understand 9 o’clock particularly because by the time they get there it is 12 o’clock to them (just as you insist it is a right turn to them which, I suppose, makes it 3 o’clock to them… very confusing)

golfing eagles 07-19-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2237071)
I have yet to see someone stuck in the circle because they can’t figure out how to get out.

We/I refer to the left exit because I know some people won’t understand 9 o’clock particularly because by the time they get there it is 12 o’clock to them (just as you insist it is a right turn to them)

Plus we now have an entire generation raised on digital watches and have no idea how to tell time 😂😂😂

coffeebean 07-19-2023 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2236914)
Simply put
Enter RB in the left lane we can exit the 2nd or 3rd exit
Enter RB in the right lane you can exit 1st or 2nd exit

Now.........how easy peasy is that?

coffeebean 07-19-2023 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237062)
That's pretty much my point, to explain WHY some people find it confusing. Because we refer to exits as "lefts" when in fact, we are exiting to our RIGHT. Once we get to our chosen exit, that exit becomes a RIGHT exit. Even though when we enter the circle, we're heading "left" - to get around the circle. The exit itself is a right exit.

That's why it's confusing to some people. Because we keep referring to those 9 o'clock exits as lefts, when they are not lefts, once we get to them. Because we keep referring to the 12-o'clock exits as "straight" when in fact we aren't going straight, we're going around in a curve, and then taking a RIGHT to get out.

That's why it's confusing to some people. And around and around we go - but if you ever want to get out - turn your wheel to the RIGHT.

I just now edited my post you are referring to and added AGREE as the first word, so I do agree with what you said.

fdpaq0580 07-19-2023 08:28 PM

230 posts talking about going in circles. WOW!

JMintzer 07-20-2023 07:21 AM

This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

dewilson58 07-20-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237177)
This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

Welcome to the merry-go-round!!

fdpaq0580 07-20-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237177)
This "there is no left turn at a roundabout, every turn is a right turn" crap is just pedantic nonsense. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about "turning left at a roundabout"...


P.S. So how was your "vacation"? :p

"Everyone? "
I have seen a few that didn't.

Byte1 07-20-2023 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2236918)
The OP claimed that he would not be at fault if he was in the outside lane and ran into someone crossing in front of him to exit from the inside lane. I'm simply stating that the outside lane must yield to the inside lane (no matter how they got there). Not bad advice, but a fact. The alternative is a crash.

Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe.

Bogie Shooter 07-20-2023 08:53 AM

And the repetition continues…………………

JMintzer 07-20-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2237233)
"Everyone? "
I have seen a few that didn't.

Well, those few who didn't aren't going to understand "you only make a right turn off the roundabout" either...

Byte1 07-20-2023 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2236904)
Sounds like you are not reading the direction for the roundabout. The outside lanes once entered has to exit within two exits, if you go to exit the third exit you are in the wrong.
Most roundabouts have solid lines where the outside lane is forced to exit but so many drivers cross the solid line.
It’s not that hard if you just follow the directions that are posted before every roundabout

The signs ONLY show you how you can exit the RB, but not which vehicle must yield. And there is NO law that says you cannot continue around the circle in the right lane. If you miss your turn for some reason, you are allowed to continue around until you get to your destination exit.

JMintzer 07-20-2023 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2237237)
Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe.

If the r-a-b has two lanes that enter and two lanes that go straight thru, the inside lane does not yield to the outside lane...

Two Bills 07-20-2023 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2237237)
Nope, the outside lane has the right of way and the left has to yield. The law in every state is that the person going straight has the right of way over those turning. You never turn in front of another vehicle that is traveling straight unless you are just passing and only when safe.

:ohdear:

There is an old say about stopping digging when in a deep hole.
Still applies today!

Byte1 07-20-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237244)
If the r-a-b has two lanes that enter and two lanes that go straight thru, the inside lane does not yield to the outside lane...

Normally, I agree with you. In this case, I don't. As former law enforcement, if I was required to give one or the other a ticket for an accident in a RB, it would be the one that turned in front of the other vehicle. Just because the sign says how to exit the RB, it does not say which vehicle has the right of way because it is assumed that anyone taking a drivers test for a license knows that one does not turn in front of another car. I understand the confusion, but anyone that is in the inside lane that assumes that the outside car going on to the next exit is going to yield for them as they turn in front of them, is easily asking for a collision. You must slow down until it is safe to exit from the left lane for a right turn. Not only is that law, but it is also common sense. I am not a former Florida officer, so if they have a different law, I would be interested in reading it.


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