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mtdjed 07-15-2023 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235858)
If I am understanding you correctly, it sounds like you both proceeded at the same time. You wanted to go straight thru, the other wanted to make a right turn crossing over your path.

A person going straight thru does not have the automatic right of way. If you both arrived at the circle at the same time, the person farthest to the right goes first. This is standard law when two people arrive at an intersection at the same time.
Isn't that the "custom" when you have a straight intersection. Not sure if it applies to side by side entry on the same road. I use the word "custom" because there is the question of judgement as to who got there first. Under law, it would be hard to prove. I would agree that the inside driver would need heavier proof that he/she was in the right.

margaretmattson 07-15-2023 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2235894)
Isn't that the "custom" when you have a straight intersection. Not sure if it applies to side by side entry on the same road. I use the word "custom" because there is the question of judgement as to who got there first. Under law, it would be hard to prove. I would agree that the inside driver would need heavier proof that he/she was in the right.
You had me puzzled if this was just custom. I googled the Florida law. It stated, "when two vehicles arrive at an intersection at the same time, the vehicle on the left must give way to the vehicle on the right.". Not likely it is going to happen often. Plus, one driver will probably wave the other driver on. Most people tend to want to wait for their own safety. I know I would.

Plus, you can't sue someone in Florida. We live in a no fault state. All you can do is get the insurance company to pay for damages and bodily injury. Boy! Bet I just opened a can of worms! Please google if Florida is a no-fault state before attacking. I'm just the messenger, I do not create Florida laws.

Two Bills 07-16-2023 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2235885)
If the vehicle in the inside lane exits crossing the outside lane to the exit, as the law stipulates, how is it in the wrong lane?

Priority, right of way, basically the same thing. The inside lane vehicle has priority/right of way over vehicles in the outside lane to make their exit.
In the scenario you are quoting, both cars should have exited in their own lanes.
If the car in outside lane had to give way to the inside lane, that car would have been in wrong lane, or entered roundabout before both lanes were clear to the left.
There is no priority in roundabouts.
Cars in roundabout have priority over cars wanting to enter.
If a car has to stop/give way in roundabout, one is in wrong lane, or entered before it was clear in both lanes from the left.
It should be a continuous flow.

Laker14 07-16-2023 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pettys1 (Post 2235029)
If you know your turning on a side road then get into the outside lane your don't turn into a lane to turn. I mean common sense tells you to get into the outside lane. If you where on the road an cut in front of someone . Cause if you hit me while driving in the inside lane while trying to turn you'll be sued I promise you..
and you, sir, are the reason I will be soon buying a dash cam.

golfing eagles 07-16-2023 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235900)
You had me puzzled if this was just custom. I googled the Florida law. It stated, "when two vehicles arrive at an intersection at the same time, the vehicle on the left must give way to the vehicle on the right.". Not likely it is going to happen often. Plus, one driver will probably wave the other driver on. Most people tend to want to wait for their own safety. I know I would.

Plus, you can't sue someone in Florida. We live in a no fault state. All you can do is get the insurance company to pay for damages and bodily injury. Boy! Bet I just opened a can of worms! Please google if Florida is a no-fault state before attacking. I'm just the messenger, I do not create Florida laws.
You can’t sue in Florida because it is a no fault state??? Not even close to what no fault means. “Dan Newlin won me $3 million”. Hard to do when you can’t sue, plus he’d be on the unemployment line.
What happens under no fault is that you carry PIP( personal injury protection) and make a claim to YOUR OWN insurance company if injured, the Florida maximum is $10,000. Beyond that you can sue for medical bills, pain and suffering, loss of income and whatever else the lawyers can dream up.

margaretmattson 07-16-2023 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235924)
You can’t sue in Florida because it is a no fault state??? Not even close to what no fault means. “Dan Newlin won me $3 million”. Hard to do when you can’t sue, plus he’d be on the unemployment line.
What happens under no fault is that you carry PIP( personal injury protection) and make a claim to YOUR OWN insurance company if injured, the Florida maximum is $10,000. Beyond that you can sue for medical bills, pain and suffering, loss of income and whatever else the lawyers can dream up.
The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.

dewilson58 07-16-2023 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235973)
The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.
"you" absolutely do sue for personal assets.

the insurance company steps in up to the policy limits, but the suit is against the person.

Bill14564 07-16-2023 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2235882)
If a vehicle is in the center lane and signals to exit, a vehicle in the outside lane must yield to the exiting vehicle, that is what the law says. Supposed common sense has no bearing on this. Situational awareness, you pay attention to the other vehicles around you anticipating their actions and obey the law.
Can you provide a link to that law? I've tried but have been unable to find it,

Bill14564 07-16-2023 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2235846)
Obviously, my post was misunderstood. If you entered at a different street and want to go straight and I am clear to enter (to make it easier, at the exact same time or slightly after), he is in the center lane and I am in the right lane wishing to exit the second exit (going straight), that means I am passing the first exit. If he is next to me and wishing to turn right, then he must wait until I am pass him. If he does not, HE is causing the accident. There is no sign that says I must stop to let him turn in front of me. I do not care what the diagrams say, YOU are turning right off of a circle regardless of exit. You must use your RIGHT turn signal. You are NOT using your left turn signal, therefore you are going right. You can NOT make a straight in a circle or you will leave the road and travel across the landscaping. Yes, I understand what you are saying, but go ahead and be right and end up in the body shop or hospital. Common sense says you yield to the person on the right that is going straight pass you, and you never cross in front of another car unless it is stopped. C'mon man! Personally, I drive defensively because I know that no one else cares what other cars are on the road and drive accordingly. My car lets me know when something is in my blind spots on either side of the car. By the way, those are yield signs at the entrance to the circles, so please don't sit there until the circle is empty before proceeding. Backing up cars in a line on the road is not safe either. I certainly hope that next time you cross in front of someone when making a turn, your spouse is not in the passenger seat, because it is not you that may suffer from "being right."
Still a bit of confusion here. If two cars enter side-by-side from the same entrance then the car on the left cannot exit to the right (90 degrees). It isn't that he should wait, he should not be exiting there. The car on the left must take the exit straight ahead or the exit to the left. That *is* what the signs indicate.

If you understood what I was saying then you would not have mentioned the body shop or hospital.

Let's try this one last time. If someone is going north on Morse and wants to get on Pinellas, what directions do you give them?

1. Enter the circle and exit to the right.

2. Take a left at the traffic circle.

Using the common meaning of the English language combined with a little common sense, option 1. would put them on Moyer Loop while option 2. would put them on Pinellas.

In the end it doesn't matter since I very much doubt you would be giving me directions anyway.

golfing eagles 07-16-2023 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235973)
The money is paid through the insurance company. You do not sue a driver for his personal assets.
Actually, you do sue the driver The”insurance company” wasn’t driving the car, and insurance is a contract between the insurance company and the other driver. If the judgement exceeds the limits of the insurance policy you go after personal assets. In most jurisdictions primary residence and retirement accounts are excluded

margaretmattson 07-16-2023 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2235987)
Actually, you do sue the driver The”insurance company” wasn’t driving the car, and insurance is a contract between the insurance company and the other driver. If the judgement exceeds the limits of the insurance policy you go after personal assets. In most jurisdictions primary residence and retirement accounts are excluded
My response was specific to some posters stating they are going to sue people for crossing over their path in a Villages roundabout. Even if this did happen and the injured could prove the other driver was at fault, the vehicles were probably travelling 20 mph.

How much personal injury could you have? It has been my experience doctors and medical professionals will not assist a victim in any hyped-up injuries. They report the true nature of their medical
condition in fear of being sued themselves. In the round about scenario, I see the insurance company paying the claim in full.

golfing eagles 07-16-2023 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2235992)
My response was specific to some posters stating they are going to sue people for crossing over their path in a Villages roundabout. Even if this did happen and the injured could prove the other driver was at fault, the vehicles were probably travelling 20 mph.

How much personal injury could you have? It has been my experience doctors and medical professionals will not assist a victim in any hyped-up injuries. They report the true nature of their medical
condition in fear of being sued themselves. In the round about scenario, I see the insurance company paying the claim in full.
That is true if and only if the damages do not exceed the Florida PIP limit of $10,000. After that, it is Dan Newlin and Morgan et al.

As a board certified specialist in adult medicine, I can speak for "doctors"----we do not assist in hyped up cases, and NOT because of "fear of being sued"---it's because we all took an oath. But that is a moot point since plaintiff's attorneys almost exclusively call upon chiropractors and other quacks to be their so-called "expert" witnesses

Two Bills 07-16-2023 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mass288 (Post 2235250)
Ok sports fans from Massachusetts here not proud of it either. Lol villages resident in 2 weeks..we have a ton here they are rotary,s round abouts are usually in england...and there are no left turns.....it's a circle all turns are of a right leaning direction...how do you take a left in a circle ????
A roundabout/rotary is just a junction.
Its a crossroad, T junction, or similar.
Many ways to navigate a junction. Traffic lights, four way, roundabouts, etc.
So you can turn left at a roundabout junction.

margaretmattson 07-16-2023 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2236012)
That is true if and only if the damages do not exceed the Florida PIP limit of $10,000. After that, it is Dan Newlin and Morgan et al.

As a board certified specialist in adult medicine, I can speak for "doctors"----we do not assist in hyped up cases, and NOT because of "fear of being sued"---it's because we all took an oath. But that is a moot point since plaintiff's attorneys almost exclusively call upon chiropractors and other quacks to be their so-called "expert" witnesses
It's wonderful to learn there are decent workers honoring an oath they took. God Bless and a giant thanks to all of you!

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-16-2023 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2236033)
A roundabout/rotary is just a junction.
Its a crossroad, T junction, or similar.
Many ways to navigate a junction. Traffic lights, four way, roundabouts, etc.
So you can turn left at a roundabout junction.
No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.

fdpaq0580 07-16-2023 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2236055)
No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.
BUT, only the vehicle entering from the right lane can take the first exit! AND, only the vehicle entering from the left lane will be able to use the third exit. Both may use their corresponding lane if the choose the second exit.

VApeople 07-16-2023 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2235846)
Obviously, my post was misunderstood.
Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.

Most of us do not even take the time to read a post like that. The others read it and do not understand the point you are trying to make.

Rainger99 07-16-2023 02:28 PM
Turn signals in roundabouts!
 
I was entering a roundabout yesterday. A car to my left entered at 6 (I was at 3) and the other car put his right turn signal on as he entered the roundabout. I assumed that he was going to exit at 3 so I started to enter the roundabout - but he kept going so I slammed on the brakes and narrowly avoided an accident. I think you are supposed to put your turn signal on after you pass the exit before the one that you will use to exit - not before!

Bogie Shooter 07-16-2023 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236079)
Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.

Most of us do not even take the time to read a post like that. The others read it and do not understand the point you are trying to make.
One of many……..

Lot of repeated opinions. Results from not reading all posts.

One poster leads with 20 posts.

Soon to be another benchmark….200 posts.:wave:

dewilson58 07-16-2023 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236079)
Yeah, that is what happens when you write a long, verbose, meandering post.
I never read "long" posts.

Two Bills 07-16-2023 03:45 PM
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Two Bills 07-16-2023 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2236055)
No, you can't. All exits are to your RIGHT, once you get to that exit. Turning LEFT anywhere within the roundabout, will take you to the center of the roundabout. In some cases, it'll take you to the pump-house in the center of the roundabout. Taking a left while you're in a roundabout is a pretty dumb thing to do.

As you APPROACH a roundabout, you will see that you can HEAD right, ahead, or left. But once you are IN the roundabout, you cease to have "left" or "ahead" as an option. All exits are to the right of your vehicle. You're in a circle, going counter-clockwise. Exit is to your right, if you ever want to leave that circle.
A four way roundabout is a crossroad junction same as any other four way junction.
The only difference is the discipline laid down to navigate it.
Directions are left, right, straight on, or U turn.
All this stuff about you can't turn left is pedantic nonsense.

Number 10 GI 07-16-2023 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2235979)
Can you provide a link to that law? I've tried but have been unable to find it,
I'm going on what was cited in the driver's license study guide for a military license in Germany. Mainly though is the sign prior to entry to the RB that shows the routes drivers must take for the lane they use. Those signs are Traffic Control Devices, just like stop signs, speed limit signs, traffic signals at intersections and solid white lines on the roadway. Violation of a traffic control devise is a ticketable offense.

I've been searching also for something that specifically covers this but haven't found anything yet.

VApeople 07-16-2023 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2236082)
I assumed that he was going to exit at 3 so I started to enter the roundabout - but he kept going so I slammed on the brakes and narrowly avoided an accident.
You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-16-2023 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236104)
You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.
You can't always tell that someone else is in the roundabout. If you're coming north on Morse toward 466 and approach the roundabout at Sumter Square, you have no way to tell if someone is coming south on Morse, already in the roundabout, but not yet at the Square exit. You can't see the other side of the roundabout from there.

There's another on Morse that has a pump house in the middle, no one can see across from them. In fact, I only know of a couple of roundabouts where you -can- see directly across from your entry point.

Pedantic, perhaps. But people are taking things literally here, and that can result in an accident. What you shouldn't do, is enter the roundabout when you actually see a car approaching your entry point from within the roundabout. There's a 3-exit roundabout on Buena Vista - and you can see clearly all exits, from any entry point. The person coming into the roundabout from your right, is not a problem for you. But the person coming toward you from your left, is a problem for you. You need to wait for him to either exit at your entry point, or pass you and exit beyond your entry point.

Rainger99 07-16-2023 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236104)
You were an idiot!

You should not have entered the roundabout when another driver is in the roundabout.
Read my post. I STARTED to enter the roundabout. I didn’t enter it. If I had entered it, I would probably not be posting today!!

PersonOfInterest 07-16-2023 04:52 PM
Over 180 posts showing that there is not agreement about how to drive the roundabouts. Amazing considering its simply merge in, travel through and get out. Lots of misunderstanding about the rules governing travel through the roundabouts. I stay out of them as much as I can.

dewilson58 07-16-2023 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2236113)
Over 180 posts showing that there is not agreement about how to drive the roundabouts. Amazing considering its simply merge in, travel through and get out. Lots of misunderstanding about the rules governing travel through the roundabouts. I stay out of them as much as I can.
Too many bad assumptions by drivers.
The key is defensive driving at the appropriate speed.

dewilson58 07-16-2023 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236104)
You were an idiot!
Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??

Rainger99 07-16-2023 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2236116)
Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??
Does seem to violate the following;

USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER.

VApeople 07-16-2023 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2236116)
Wow, how is this post still alive and no one is in poster jail??
Because everyone agrees with me.

We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.

coffeebean 07-16-2023 08:42 PM
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Marathon Man 07-16-2023 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2236097)
A four way roundabout is a crossroad junction same as any other four way junction.
The only difference is the discipline laid down to navigate it.
Directions are left, right, straight on, or U turn.
All this stuff about you can't turn left is pedantic nonsense.
Well said.

Number 10 GI 07-17-2023 05:56 AM
I found this bit of info on using a RB.

how to safely exit a multi lane traffic circle - Search

When approaching a multi-lane roundabout, enter the appropriate lane well in advance of the intersection. Once you find a gap in traffic, enter the multi-lane roundabout and travel to your exit. When you leave the traffic circle, use your directional, watch for pedestrians, stay in your lane, and exit safely1.

In a multi-lane roundabout, you will see two signs as you approach the intersection: the same yellow “roundabout ahead” warning sign and speed signs used for single-lane roundabouts, and a black and white “lane choice” sign. This second sign is to help you choose the appropriate lane for the direction you want to exit the roundabout.

Not sure if this completely addresses the issue but it does say that the lane choice sign is a Traffic Control Device.

Byte1 07-17-2023 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236133)
Because everyone agrees with me.

We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.
If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout? Try waiting at the roundabout by the Savannah center until there is no cars in it and you will back up traffic for a mile or more. Nice idea, but not viable.

Bill14564 07-17-2023 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2236181)
If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout? Try waiting at the roundabout by the Savannah center until there is no cars in it and you will back up traffic for a mile or more. Nice idea, but not viable.
It is hard to tell if this is a serious question or just trolling.

If you are entering the roundabout while another vehicle is approaching in the inside lane then it is no surprise at all that you sometimes get cut off.

VApeople 07-17-2023 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236133)
We all know no one is supposed to enter a roundabout when there is another car in the roundabout.
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2236181)
If that is so, why would they need two lanes in a roundabout?
Our Emperor built the roundabouts and we do not ask WHY?

There is not to reason why,
There is but to do and die.

Into the roundabout,
Rode the six hundred.

fdpaq0580 07-17-2023 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by billlaur (Post 2235859)
could you imagine a 4 way stop at each roundabout...
Yes. More people seem to understand how an intersection works.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-18-2023 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2236272)
Yes. More people seem to understand how an intersection works.
That's because - in a roundabout, if you want to "take a left" you go around the circle 3/4 and then turn your steering wheel to the RIGHT to exit the circle.

At an intersection, if you want to "take a left" you turn your steering wheel LEFT to exit the intersection.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-18-2023 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2236192)
Our Emperor built the roundabouts and we do not ask WHY?

There is not to reason why,
There is but to do and die.

Into the roundabout,
Rode the six hundred.
I'll be the roundabout
the words will make you out and out
I spend the day your way
call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley...


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