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atmcgov 05-20-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by refeik (Post 1650658)
I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

Im europe iys a $50 fine for not using a turn signal.

Mase4 05-20-2019 06:27 AM

I lived in England for seven years, they have Roundabouts all over the place, an traffic moves easily. The Biggest thing is their Roundabouts are designed for safe driving, No curbs, hard angles when entering or exiting, good line of sight. Village Roundabouts are just designed incorrectly. There are a few in Maryland and they also are of bad design. Use Google Maps of other map program and look at roads in the UK. There are even some Doubles.

Two Bills 05-20-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1651040)
Ummm...I think that's incorrect.
https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf
Steve

I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?

Singerlady 05-20-2019 06:52 AM

If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, you’re in the inner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result dent entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!

Howie1944 05-20-2019 06:53 AM

The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.

dewilson58 05-20-2019 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Howie1944 (Post 1651055)
The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.




Almost correct................in the left lane (inside lane) entering the circle, if you want to exit at the third exit.......you will cross the outside lane.

mamckennon 05-20-2019 07:11 AM

Funnel all traffic into one lane. No right turns from left lane.

jfkilduff 05-20-2019 07:11 AM

Whoever made the exiting rules is an idiot if your in the right lane u must take the first exit you should not be allowed to continue around too the second or third exit

jedalton 05-20-2019 07:18 AM

round a bouts
 
that's great except TV has some lined where you can turn right from both lanes. messes everybody up

Two Bills 05-20-2019 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mase4 (Post 1651042)
I lived in England for seven years, they have Roundabouts all over the place, an traffic moves easily. The Biggest thing is their Roundabouts are designed for safe driving, No curbs, hard angles when entering or exiting, good line of sight. Village Roundabouts are just designed incorrectly. There are a few in Maryland and they also are of bad design. Use Google Maps of other map program and look at roads in the UK. There are even some Doubles.


We also drive on the correct side of the road!! :ho:

graciegirl 05-20-2019 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mamckennon (Post 1651065)
Funnel all traffic into one lane. No right turns from left lane.

That would cause huge traffic back ups. There are very few accidents and very few awful accidents in traffic circles because people mostly do slow down and take care. It is new people that give the most hue and cry.

CharlesNT 05-20-2019 07:35 AM

Using turn signals whether staying in or exiting the roundabout is the best solution. Why keep your intentions a secret? People complain about a lack of communication, here's one example! It really comes down to laziness and being inconsiderate of others!

alfredpopcorn@gmail.com 05-20-2019 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1650817)
I agree, traffic would move along more briskly if signals were used. You sit there trying to guess who is going to turn as the traffic builds up behind you.

Signaling only gives you a warning ( of what might occur) not a go -a -head . Assume nothing and check everything

ChicagoNative 05-20-2019 07:50 AM

It can be really confusing, especially when some of the circles allow the right lane to go completely around and others don’t. How many drivers remember the meaning of a solid line v. a dotted?

Signaling can help assuming others are paying attention. Also, people should remember that YIELD doesnt mean STOP.

Bottom line: brush up on the rules of the road and use common sense, which unfortunately is not so common.

Polar Bear 05-20-2019 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jfkilduff (Post 1651066)
Whoever made the exiting rules is an idiot if your in the right lane u must take the first exit you should not be allowed to continue around too the second or third exit

That makes all right hand lanes on Morse and BV right-turn-only lanes. Not gonna happen.

sunshine5 05-20-2019 07:53 AM

agree 100% , must use use directionals in the roundabouts..

fsusix 05-20-2019 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1650705)
:ho: Well I guess if we are going to rehash this topic again.... it's worth repeating Sumter Co. has a nice guide that tax dollars paid for on how to drive in roundabouts. I would assume it was written by the "experts".(The professional type.... not the TOTV type)

Here is a link:

https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

:bigbow: This was terrific! Thanks!

BostonRich 05-20-2019 08:08 AM

There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

DeanFL 05-20-2019 08:17 AM

MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

Polar Bear 05-20-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1651110)
...NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout...

There ya go.

realmoxies 05-20-2019 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lyonsmm (Post 1651052)
If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, you’re in the inner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result dent entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!

Disney ride safety? Those already in the rab have the right of way! Don't change lanes in a rab ! If you're unsure of someone's intentions, are go around again, what's the hurry?

Bill1701 05-20-2019 08:30 AM

If people would just stay in their lane, driving would be safer. You don't make a right turn from the left lane or a left turn from the right lane on a regular road. Don't do it in a roundabout. Follow the signs and arrows.

Travelingal702 05-20-2019 09:53 AM

I wish people would use their turn signals ALL THE TIME.

rmd2 05-20-2019 10:10 AM

turn signals. I agree

omimom 05-20-2019 10:23 AM

I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

daphurm 05-20-2019 10:38 AM

This is simple, heed the signage. Left lane-left turn or straight thru. Right lane-right turn or straight thru. Period!!!!! The procedure is the same as at a crossroad. You don’t make a left turn from the right lane and you don’t make a right turn from the left lane. Heed the signs for safety sake.

If your in Australia you can make a right turn from the left lane.

DeanFL 05-20-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1651110)
MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

Oh - BTW... I don't want a Golf Cart - in the MM lane - to NOT see me... always try to get out of THEIR blindspot quickly too. Once a golfcart took a very-quick left turn to the postal station from the MM lane --- RIGHT in front of me. If they turned 1/4 second later, I would have run into him. Big PHEW - I don't even know if he EVER saw me. I don't think I had a chance to lay on the horn - if not-should have. I was too stunned and perhaps angry.

brantnerlg@gmail.com 05-20-2019 02:36 PM

That is a good point; however the biggest problem arises when drivers don`t get into the correct lane to make the turn when in the round-about. RIGHT LANE = STRAIGHT AND RIGHT TURNS. LEFT LANE = STRAIGHT AND LEFT TURNS. I have had too many drivers swerve over from the left lane to make a right turn and visa versa while in the round-about. Putting on a blinker when you decide to do this won`t be seen in time.

daphurm 05-20-2019 02:51 PM

...so we can agree it’s driver error, and nothing to do with the roundabouts.
If your in the wrong lane, there’s always the next roundabout to correct that, as you would at any crossroad!

daphurm 05-20-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by omimom (Post 1651165)
I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

You should not be changing lanes in the roundabout-period

Midnight Cowgirl 05-20-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lyonsmm (Post 1651052)
If TV would structure their roundabouts like Hilton Head Island, we wouldn’t have these problems. They have definite right turn lanes with concrete ‘barriers’ in the pavement (no crossing lanes) so you must turn right. If you’re going to the next ‘exit, yonner lane and will easily make the turn. Also, they should reverse the resident/non-result du’re in the ient entrances at the the gates. I know that messes up the guardhouse attendant, but....The roundabouts here are crazy...the drivers crazier!


THAT would definitely have solved all the issues residents have regarding these circles.
That can never happen here because the circles are too small circumference-wise and the lanes are too narrow.

Hilton Head was smart in what they did . . . TV -- maybe not so smart??? :shrug:
The idea is good but the actual implementation here could have been better thought out.

coffeebean 05-20-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1651024)
Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post
The hundreds of different personal versions of how to navigate a roundabout.
Given the age of many drivers, their slow reaction times, poor eyesight, the amount medicatiion, booze ingested, I am astounded at the numbers who actually survive driving in The Villages.
The Gods must smile on, and watch over this place!

Here, here!!!:)

Also......Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post........... Let's clarify this statement. Folks are admitting to not using their directionals in RABs, not the regular roadways. On regular roadways with stop signs, traffic lights., turn lanes etc, directionals are used all the time or should I say most of the time. It is very rare that people turn off a regular roadway without signaling using a directional. Then again, yes it does happen sometimes. In fact, hubby calls the brake lights the Florida turn signal.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-20-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by barvic (Post 1651039)
Simple rules for approaching a roundabout.
The LEFT lane is for going straight and turning LEFT
The RIGHT lane if for going straight and turning RIGHT

Get it??

ALL exits on roundabouts are right exits. There are no left exits on roundabouts. In order to get out of the roundabout, you have to turn to the right. That's what causes the confusion with two-lane roundabouts in the first place.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-20-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RAAndre (Post 1651102)
There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

Amen. The Villages' version of rotaries are so convoluted because they're not consistent (some are one-lane, some have outer side-drive-throughs, they call a 3/4 turn a "left" turn even though the person entering after you is "going straight" to the same exit and can do so from either lane, etc. etc.)

Rotaries make sense because they're designed to make sense.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-20-2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by realmoxies (Post 1651127)
Disney ride safety? Those already in the rab have the right of way! Don't change lanes in a rab ! If you're unsure of someone's intentions, are go around again, what's the hurry?

If you only have another 10 years worth of life in you, why would you want to spend 8 of them deciding whether or not the person in front of you is taking a left?

coffeebean 05-20-2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by atmcgov (Post 1651041)
Im europe iys a $50 fine for not using a turn signal.

If that was the case here in TV, I would be broke!!!

coffeebean 05-20-2019 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Howie1944 (Post 1651055)
The best rule, if you can only remember one, is NEVER switch lanes while in the circle.

Agree. Also.....do not stop anywhere in the RAB.

Here's another one.....always go in the proper direction in a RAB. I've seen someone driving in the opposite direction of normal circulation. I've heard of that happening but finally saw it for myself about 6 months ago. Poor woman had no idea what she was doing.

coffeebean 05-20-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesNT (Post 1651084)
Using turn signals whether staying in or exiting the roundabout is the best solution. Why keep your intentions a secret? People complain about a lack of communication, here's one example! It really comes down to laziness and being inconsiderate of others!

It really isn't laziness, on my part anyway. I'm too busy watching the traffic and I keep both hands on the wheel when I'm navigating a RAB. Plus.....with the amount of times the directional would be used, my mechanic will be replacing said directional much sooner than necessary. I hear the same complaint about how folks have to replace the switch that operates the driver's window because of the excessive use it gets here in TV.

MorTech 05-20-2019 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1651024)
Given the non use of signals freely admitted by many on this post
The hundreds of different personal versions of how to navigate a roundabout.
Given the age of many drivers, their slow reaction times, poor eyesight, the amount medicatiion, booze ingested, I am astounded at the numbers who actually survive driving in The Villages.
The Gods must smile on, and watch over this place!

Yes...which is why TV should have made the traffic circles one single lane. Evidently, confusion and poor judgment are directly proportional to age and drug use...whoda thunk?

One would be an absolute fool to trust a turn signal in a retirement community - especially golf carts. If you disagree, then there is no helping you.

anothersteve 05-20-2019 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1651268)
ALL exits on roundabouts are right exits. There are no left exits on roundabouts. In order to get out of the roundabout, you have to turn to the right. That's what causes the confusion with two-lane roundabouts in the first place.

Yes.
What is so freaking hard to understand?
https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf
Steve


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