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coffeebean 05-20-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RAAndre (Post 1651102)
There are lots of "rotaries" in the northeast. This concept is not that rare for a lot of us. The big difference is that you can change lanes in a "rotary" but not in a "roundabout". So you only exit form the right lane in a rotary as you merge to the outer lane before you exit. In a roundabout you are required to cross the outer lane from the inner lane to exit. That is the most critical point of conflict.

I think the "rotary" makes more sense and would resolve a lot of this but you would have to change every traffic circle throughout the Villages at the same time.

What is the difference between a rotary and a RAB? Are the road markings different or are there more lanes than we have here in TV?

coffeebean 05-20-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1651110)
MY driving habits include NEVER (NOT EVER!) drive BESIDE another vehicle close to, or inside a TV Roundabout. I will say NEVER yet again. One never knows the intention of that other driver. Defensive driving is the smart move. BTW I don't trust turn signals much (or lack thereof).

Also I try to NEVER stay in another driver's blindspots when driving roads or highways. Other drivers movements are uncertain when they see you, more hazardous when they don't.

Defensive driving with constant checks of surroundings - mirrors and swivel-head. Always anticipating and knowing where you can go if another driver cuts you off etc...

Agree.

coffeebean 05-20-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1651155)
I wish people would use their turn signals ALL THE TIME.

Not going to happen in a RAB. Sorry.

coffeebean 05-20-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by omimom (Post 1651165)
I agree about never positioning your vehicle next to someone in the roundabout. I either speed up or back off so I'm never where I can't move into the other lane if necessary and you have to scan your side view mirrors so you don't cut anyone off. Defensive driving.

Yes....I always check my passenger side view mirror before exiting a RAB. That alone will prevent a collision.

coffeebean 05-20-2019 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by daphurm (Post 1651246)
You should not be changing lanes in the roundabout-period

I took the "if necessary" to mean to avoid an accident.

Cathrine1 05-20-2019 05:12 PM

Haste makes waste...... accidents will not get you where you were in a hurry to get to...... it’s a retirement community.... slow down , use turn signals, remember the average age at Tv is well above 62. My bifocals might need a tune up. We use roundabouts but also choose alternate routes in times of high traffic. Love TV !!!!!

BostonRich 05-20-2019 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill1701 (Post 1651128)
If people would just stay in their lane, driving would be safer. You don't make a right turn from the left lane or a left turn from the right lane on a regular road. Don't do it in a roundabout. Follow the signs and arrows.

No the rule in a roundabout is you do exit right from the left lane.

BostonRich 05-20-2019 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1651284)
What is the difference between a rotary and a RAB? Are the road markings different or are there more lanes than we have here in TV?

Rotaries usually don't have any road markings. That probably sounds like a crazy free-for-all but since people are used to them it works just fine. Cars simply merge from one side to the other when it's safe and clear.

BostonRich 05-20-2019 07:38 PM

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How about this:

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A roundabout with a railroad crossing through the middle of it!

MEbner2805 05-20-2019 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by refeik (Post 1650658)
I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

I don’t agree with this as the rule is we all yield to the cars in front of us no matter what lane they are in. Besides, we can’t see turn signals while going on a circle in most cases anyway. 😕

refeik 05-20-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1651047)
I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?

This is exactly what many drivers do.

anothersteve 05-20-2019 09:31 PM

"I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?"

Yes you do and can "turn" (exit) right from the left lane, otherwise you are just going to go around in circles!! While we're at it.....you can't "turn" left from the left or right lanes!!! I don't get what you are saying.
Steve

daphurm 05-20-2019 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1651062)
Almost correct................in the left lane (inside lane) entering the circle, if you want to exit at the third exit.......you will cross the outside lane.

At that point you have the right of way because oncoming cars are to yield to cars in the roundabout.

JoMar 05-21-2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1651375)
"I hope your not going to suggest turning right from the left hand lane, or left from the right?"

Yes you do and can "turn" (exit) right from the left lane, otherwise you are just going to go around in circles!! While we're at it.....you can't "turn" left from the left or right lanes!!! I don't get what you are saying.
Steve

As was mentioned, if you are exiting at the third exit you technically can cross the outside lane over the broken white line but you better keep an eye on who is coming next to you. Making a right turn from the left lane at the first exit is a no no. Trying to get to the third exit from the right lane is also a no no. If I'm making an exit at the third exit I am in the inside lane so I usually just stay there and go through the visitors side, eliminates the higher risk of crossing the outside lane to the resident entrance.

Bogie Shooter 05-21-2019 03:43 PM

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skip0358 05-22-2019 06:10 AM

Use my signal all the time yes even entering my driveway. In the Golf Cart I use both hand and directional signals. Someone actually told me it was against the law to use turn signals in the traffic circles because it confuses people. Really

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-22-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1651592)
Use my signal all the time yes even entering my driveway. In the Golf Cart I use both hand and directional signals. Someone actually told me it was against the law to use turn signals in the traffic circles because it confuses people. Really

I use my turn signal when I turn from one road to another, from a road to a driveway, from a driveway to a road, and to change lanes. That's pretty much "basic driving 101" up in Connecticut, it's on the written test, it's part of the driving test, and it's a habit most people learn when they're 15 or 16. Some forget, some rebel against it, and some think laws don't apply to their superior entitled selves. But the rest of us just do it as a matter of habit.

refeik 05-25-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by refeik (Post 1650658)
I know you are probably tired of this issue but let me address something that hasn't been considered very much. Traffic flow would be much smoother, there would be less accidents, and much less confusion if drivers would only do a simple thing. SIGNAL WHEN YOU ARE EXITING THE ROUND ABOUT !!! Why people don't use their turn signals when exiting a round about is a wonder to me...

I had a little time to kill recently so I parked at the Savannah Center so I could watch part of the round-a-bout traffic flow. I did spend a long time watching but have concluded that only about 10% of the drivers exiting that round-a-bout use their turn signals. I now wonder why. Are they lazy, don't care, or possibly ignorant ??

coffeebean 05-25-2019 03:00 PM

I wouldn't say it is ignorance or laziness. I don't use directionals in the RABs but I do use directionals every where else on all roadways.

Here is my two main reasons for not using directionals in RABs......

First of all, the RABs are so small, directionals are not really visible to folks when they are too busy navigating and exits come up so quickly, it seems counter intuitive to turn on the directional.

Most importantly...........I NEVER EVER trust a turned on directional is truly a signal of intention. This is for RABs and also all other roadways, highways included. I always wait to see the car actually go into the turn or lane change for highway driving to verify that is the actual intention of the driver. Trust then verify is my mantra. I have seen way too many directionals blinking that did not indicate where the driver was actually going. Have you ever seen that? I'm sure you have.

So, long story short....why bother turning on a directional when you can't really trust it anyway? This is defensive driving on overdrive but I much prefer to be safe than sorry.

Polar Bear 05-25-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by refeik (Post 1652381)
... only about 10% of the drivers exiting that round-a-bout use their turn signals. I now wonder why. Are they lazy, don't care, or possibly ignorant ??

I would say the answer to your question for most drivers is none-of-the-above. IF...yes...that's an important 'if'...if drivers are doing all the proper things when entering and driving in a roundabout, turn signals are not really necessary.

I know many of you don't agree with that. But if you're yielding to both lanes of the roundabout before entry, and do not drive next to any vehicles within the roundabout, you're already handling the roundabout safely with or without turn signals.

They're simply not necessary UNLESS there is a possible conflict that would have been avoided in the first place with proper roundabout driving.


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