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Greg Nelson 07-15-2015 02:18 PM

2 lanes once you get in there you have the right of way

Polar Bear 07-15-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 1087428)
2 lanes once you get in there you have the right of way

So can't be compared to TV roundabouts.

Greg Nelson 07-15-2015 02:22 PM

not really.. but less confusion

LLCFL1118 07-15-2015 03:21 PM

Roundabouts
 
I have no problem with the way the roundabouts are set up. My issue is
I would like to see North, South, East & West arrows!! Very helpful especially for those not living here, then again for those who have been living here a long time and are aging.

outlaw 07-16-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 1087428)
2 lanes once you get in there you have the right of way

what do you mean by "2 lanes"? Is it two lanes going into one?

Bogie Shooter 07-16-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LLCFL1118 (Post 1087462)
I have no problem with the way the roundabouts are set up. My issue is
I would like to see North, South, East & West arrows!! Very helpful especially for those not living here, then again for those who have been living here a long time and are aging.

How do you determine these directions when driving outside TV? I don't recall seeing those directional signs.

outlaw 07-16-2015 08:42 AM

How does one interpret the RB instructional brochure? The only diagrams illustrating examples of how to navigate through an RB are of the main roads, nothing about the secondary/neighborhood roads. I have always assumed the rules were the same for the secondary roads. If so, then, depending on where one enters, every exit can be exited in either lane, which seems crazy to me.

KristiB 07-16-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnFromMaine (Post 1086190)
I'm not surprised that no one mentions using your turn signals. So many drivers, both cars and golf carts, don't use their turn signals. In cars in roundabouts, using your turn signal helps communicate your intentions but still, the best action is to drive carefully and defensively. Be alert for the other cars maybe doing the wrong thing.

You might want to check out the comment that was posted 2 previous to you!!! :)

biker1 07-16-2015 11:36 AM

This has already been answered.

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1087699)
How does one interpret the RB instructional brochure? The only diagrams illustrating examples of how to navigate through an RB are of the main roads, nothing about the secondary/neighborhood roads. I have always assumed the rules were the same for the secondary roads. If so, then, depending on where one enters, every exit can be exited in either lane, which seems crazy to me.


mardan1206 07-20-2015 09:12 AM

Then rules for the roundabouts are the same through out the state of lorida. They are governed by FDOT. Anyone needing help navigating them or who need further information should use Google and search for Florida DOT video on roundabouts. Very helpful.

yabbadu 07-20-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1084856)
Replace those ridiculous RB signs with a simple sign stating "Yield to the inside lane at all exits". Wouldn't that provide a more consistent rule of engagement than those current signs? The current signage allows exiting from the inside lane at every exit depending on where one enters the RB.

If people do not understand arrows now how will they ever be able read statements and understand!

outlaw 07-20-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by yabbadu (Post 1089529)
If people do not understand arrows now how will they ever be able read statements and understand!

Unless I'm missing something, the signage basically allows for exiting from either lane depending on where one enters the RB.

Dynsol 07-20-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yabbadu (Post 1089529)
If people do not understand arrows now how will they ever be able read statements and understand!

I agree...Words are subject to to being mis-understood where as arrows guide.

Arrows are on many signs all over, not just roundabouts.

Larina 07-21-2015 03:57 PM

The biggest problem is, the round abouts are too small to handle 2 lanes of traffic. they need to be dropped down to one lane like they are starting to do at Brownwood. Then there is NO question as to if you are exiting or continuing further around.

Polar Bear 07-21-2015 04:43 PM

Roundabout Solution!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Larina (Post 1090112)
The biggest problem is, the round abouts are too small to handle 2 lanes of traffic. they need to be dropped down to one lane like they are starting to do at Brownwood. Then there is NO question as to if you are exiting or continuing further around.

And you'll have lots of time to think about it while you wait on the merging and queueing of traffic entering from two lanes.

dbussone 07-21-2015 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1090129)
And you'll have lots of time to think about it while you wait on the merging and queueing of traffic entering from two lanes.


And from 3-4 entrances.

We could raise money for MMP striping by setting up lawn chairs and selling tickets to watch all the road rage bouts.

Barefoot 07-21-2015 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1089625)
Unless I'm missing something, the signage basically allows for exiting from either lane depending on where one enters the RB.

IMHO, that's the biggest confusion. :shrug:

shanson99 07-21-2015 10:47 PM

I simply yield to all cars in the roundabout before me. Then I move to the lane per the diagram in the sign. Never had a problem.

outlaw 07-22-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shanson99 (Post 1090244)
I simply yield to all cars in the roundabout before me. Then I move to the lane per the diagram in the sign. Never had a problem.

When the car behind you, T-bones you as you exit, then you will understand.

Polar Bear 07-22-2015 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090295)
When the car behind you, T-bones you as you exit, then you will understand.


If he carefully does as he says he does, it won't happen.

outlaw 07-22-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1090297)
If he carefully does as he says he does, it won't happen.

Not really.

Barefoot 07-22-2015 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1090131)
And from 3-4 entrances.
We could raise money for MMP striping by setting up lawn chairs and selling tickets to watch all the road rage bouts.

And you could provide refreshments by bringing some wine from the wine-bottle tree you planted in your yard. :wine:

Polar Bear 07-22-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090299)
Not really.

Yes, really. (Your turn.)

Mikeod 07-22-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shanson99 (Post 1090244)
I simply yield to all cars in the roundabout before me. Then I move to the lane per the diagram in the sign. Never had a problem.

You would be safer if you got into the proper lane for your destination prior to entering the roundabout. Changing lanes, even as you enter, is not recommended. I know you probably see people travel from the right lane entering the roundabout to the left lane in the roundabout only to exit to the right lane out of the roundabout. Usually done to reduce turning the wheel, but not a good practice IMO.

shanson99 07-22-2015 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1090468)
You would be safer if you got into the proper lane for your destination prior to entering the roundabout. Changing lanes, even as you enter, is not recommended. I know you probably see people travel from the right lane entering the roundabout to the left lane in the roundabout only to exit to the right lane out of the roundabout. Usually done to reduce turning the wheel, but not a good practice IMO.

Yes, I didn't explain my getting in the correct lane first to match the diagram. I do that before getting in roundabout Then I yield to whoever is in the roundabout before me. I am also on guard for those who don't know what yield means. I never change lanes once I'm in the roundabout.

Shadow8IA 07-23-2015 12:05 AM

#1- When entering yield to cars in roundabout
#2- Pick your lane before entering & don't change lanes
#3- You should be in the right lane if turning at the first exit, either lane if going straight ahead, and left lane for next exit or u-turn.

Skybo 07-23-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shanson99 (Post 1090533)
Yes, I didn't explain my getting in the correct lane first to match the diagram. I do that before getting in roundabout Then I yield to whoever is in the roundabout before me. I am also on guard for those who don't know what yield means. I never change lanes once I'm in the roundabout.

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Originally Posted by Shadow8IA (Post 1090609)
#1- When entering yield to cars in roundabout
#2- Pick your lane before entering & don't change lanes
#3- You should be in the right lane if turning at the first exit, either lane if going straight ahead, and left lane for next exit or u-turn.

Yep, the above two posts are all you have to do. If one does that, they will be fine. I don't understand all of the hand-wringing about the roundabouts. The vast majority (thousands) of villagers, visitors and workers successfully navigate the roundabouts every day. The roundabouts efficiently move massive amounts of traffic through The Villages with very few incidents.

Sometimes I think that those who are so concerned about the signage, double-lanes and entrance/exit rules are actually the ones who are having problems with navigating the roundabouts.

vette 07-23-2015 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

:coolsmiley:

Well stated Mike! The signs are clear YOU CAN NOT make a left from the right lane. . . I really get peeved when society blames everyone and everything instead of seeing and admitting there own shortcomings. If people don't know how to navigate a RB, pick up one of the counties or sheriffs brochures; read the darn thing and learn. As you said "You can't fix stupid" OR lazy. . .

outlaw 07-23-2015 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 1090612)
Yep, the above two posts are all you have to do. If one does that, they will be fine. I don't understand all of the hand-wringing about the roundabouts. The vast majority (thousands) of villagers, visitors and workers successfully navigate the roundabouts every day. The roundabouts efficiently move massive amounts of traffic through The Villages with very few incidents.

Sometimes I think that those who are so concerned about the signage, double-lanes and entrance/exit rules are actually the ones who are having problems with navigating the roundabouts.

Yesterday, a car entering the RB from the inside lane, exited at the first right exit...right in front of me. It was the second time this has happened to me. According to the Sheriff's department, I would have been ticketed if I had t-boned one of those cars.

outlaw 07-23-2015 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vette (Post 1090624)
:coolsmiley:

Well stated Mike! The signs are clear YOU CAN NOT make a left from the right lane. . . I really get peeved when society blames everyone and everything instead of seeing and admitting there own shortcomings. If people don't know how to navigate a RB, pick up one of the counties or sheriffs brochures; read the darn thing and learn. As you said "You can't fix stupid" OR lazy. . .

What good are the rules if they say every exit can be accessed from either lane depending on where one enters? You might as well say to use either lane to exit, period.

Bonny 07-23-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090643)
Yesterday, a car entering the RB from the inside lane, exited at the first right exit...right in front of me. It was the second time this has happened to me. According to the Sheriff's department, I would have been ticketed if I had t-boned one of those cars.

Yes, the person in the right lane will get the ticket.

outlaw 07-23-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1090655)
Yes, the person in the right lane will get the ticket.

Yes. And the person exiting from the inside lane was in the wrong, according to the signage.

Mikeod 07-23-2015 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090672)
Yes. And the person exiting from the inside lane was in the wrong, according to the signage.

The only times you would exit from the inside lane is when you are either going straight through the RAB or 3/4 of the way around after entering the RAB in the inside(left) lane. To be T-boned by a car in the outside lane, that car would have to have entered the RAB from your right when it should have yielded to you in the RAB, or that car tried to go 3/4 of the way around in the outside (right) lane. In either case, the driver in the right lane is wrong and deserves the ticket.

Polar Bear 07-23-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090644)
What good are the rules if they say every exit can be accessed from either lane depending on where one enters? You might as well say to use either lane to exit, period.

Nope. Not the same thing at all.

outlaw 07-23-2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1090683)
The only times you would exit from the inside lane is when you are either going straight through the RAB or 3/4 of the way around after entering the RAB in the inside(left) lane. To be T-boned by a car in the outside lane, that car would have to have entered the RAB from your right when it should have yielded to you in the RAB, or that car tried to go 3/4 of the way around in the outside (right) lane. In either case, the driver in the right lane is wrong and deserves the ticket.

What I said is that these cars exited THEIR first exit from the left lane. THEY did not follow the "rules".

outlaw 07-23-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1090702)
Nope. Not the same thing at all.

Probably a better sign would be "enter and exit at your own risk".

Mikeod 07-23-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1090831)
What I said is that these cars exited THEIR first exit from the left lane. THEY did not follow the "rules".

Yes. I saw that problem frequently at the RAB on Morse at Pinellas. Before Morse was opened farther south cars either had to go around to the driving range or fire station or exit onto Pinellas. As a result, I saw many cars and contractor trucks use the left(inside) lane to exit to the visitor lane of Pinellas. As I feared, some people have continued the practice.

A similar problem at the same location was people exiting :Pinellas before Morse was opened south just pulled out into the RAB because there was little or no traffic continuing around the RAB. Once Morse was opened, some continued the practice causing problems with people continuing south through the RAB.

However, these are people problems, not design problems with the RAB or signage.

Dynsol 07-24-2015 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 1084874)
You can't fix stupid. The signs are clear in my opinion, If you want to go left stay in the left lane. If you want to go right get in the right lane. If you want to go straight then either lane. What is so darn hard about that?

Agree...Arrows are a universal language on any road. English not required!

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