No 3 point seat belt required. Florida allows inspections of modified golf carts to qualify for a LSV "vin". Been there done that.

I stand corrected, I assumed since my tomberlin has all the aforementioned safety items I figured all lsv's had them. I guess the moral of the story is if you want street legal go with tomberlin!!!

Good post. I agree street legal golf carts should be allowed to go 35 mph as they are dangerous to themselves and others at 25 mph.

Sumter Co could pick up some serious coin just patrolling Hillsborough and Pinellas. I get passed by carts all the time when I'm doing 19.5 mph and I have difficulty catching some carts when I'm in my car. and I'm going 2 or 3 over the speed limit.

My guess is that most of these hot-rodding modified non LSV golf carts are gas engines. When going 20 mph in my electric cart, I can hear these run up from behind and pass me at 20+ mph. Must be easy to defeat the governor on a gas cart. Probably trickier to re-program an electric cart. It is illegal to own a standard cart in Florida that can exceed 20 mph. Get in an accident and you could be in for some financial damage, even if you weren't exceeding the 20mph speed limit.

"Son you gonna drive me to drinking, if you don't stop driving that hot rod Club Car"!

bathroom ?

but legally are limited to 25 mph on the road.....why bother

"You haven't really been "flipped off" for going the speed limit on the MMP?!"

A few years ago I was on the MMP that goes across the bridge on Morse past the police/fire garage on 466. A guy came out of the tunnel up behind me and started honking and yelling at me as he couldn't get past, due to uncoming golf-cart traffic (it was high season). Finally, I pulled over and he pulled up-stopped and began cussing me out that he was late and why didn't I go faster. My cart was the legal 19 mph and of course he left me in the "dust". I get passed all the time by folks .....

I'm digressing from the original speeding content of the OP but two things happened today that made me wonder how some people make it through the day; 1st - my wife and I were on the mmp in between Old Mill Run and Ternberry Forest Dr. heading to Palmer. We stopped at TFD to let a car enter the gate. Car #1 swiped his card, the gate comes up and he sits there. He decides to go as the gate starts down but stops before crashing through the gate. Meanwhile, car #2 pulls up and swipes her card; car #1 goes on through the gate and car #2 starts forward and here comes the gate down. She stops without crashing through and - you guessed it, here comes car #3. Finally, car #3 has enough sense to swipe his card to let car # 2 through and then swipe it again for him to go through; it was like watching the movie Groundhog Day.

2nd - on the same mmp coming from the tunnel under Stillwater Trail, two women were STANDING in the oncoming lane in the 1st curve by Mallory carrying on a conversation and a bicyclist swerves to avoid them and I have to lock it up to avoid hitting him. My wife screams at the two idiots to get off the path and all they could go was throw their hands up while oncoming carts were having to stop to keep from hitting them.

How do some people make it through the day?

I don't mind the 35 mile an hour golf cart compared to the most dangerous driver on the road which is the person traveling the speed limit in the passing lane. That person causes more accidents than anybody since they makes a large group of cars bunch up within feet of each other. I've never figured out why someone would stay in the passing lanes for miles beside a car going the same speed.

The left lane on Morse and Buena Vista is not the passing lane.
It is a normal lane of traffic.

The passing lane is on a highway such as I-75.

Driving slowly in the fast lane is more than just annoying, it's also illegal in many states. Wanna know if your 45-mph, Buick-borne grandma is breaking the law on the interstate? Just consult our handy map.

The most popular law follows the Uniform Vehicle Code, which says a car driving below the "normal speed of traffic" should be driven in the right-hand lane. Because it indicates "normal speed" instead of saying "speed limit" a driver going above the speed limit but slower than most traffic is still in the wrong.

The states indicated in green dictate that the left lane should be used exclusively for passing or turning left, though most of these limit enforcement to multi-lane highways. The simplest and best laws simply state drivers in the left lane must always yield to faster traffic regardless of the passing car's speed or other factors.

Unfortunately, most of these laws are only enforced as a way of pulling over suspicious vehicles or passengers. This is why Georgia is in the process of passing a tougher "Slow-Poke Law" with real penalties for drivers.

1) Semantics, call the lane whatever you want to.
2) Missed the point, drinving in the "left" lane :coolsmiley: bunches up cars and makes it dangerous.

As 57ChevyFI said...semantics.

The law in Florida states that slower traffic must stay in the right lane unless they are passing or about to turn left. Holding up faster traffic is illegal...irrespective of whether or not they are exceeding the speed limit.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

Regarding your suggestion of not allowing vehicles with a top speed of 25 mph on 35 mph speed limit roads, I really don't see that happening. Bikes are allowed on roads with a 35 mph speed limit and few can maintain 25 mph for any length of time, let alone 35 mph. For better or for worse, the statutes allow slower moving vehicles to use the roads, including those in cars that choose to drive slower than the 35 mph speed limit. Roads are shared resources and we must accommodate the slower moving vehicles. On 4 lanes roads such as BV and Morse, we have a passing lane. Hopefully the slower moving traffic stays in the right lane.

More than once. Cart passed us and six other carts yelling at each one as they flew by. Not a SL.

Or, you can do what most of us do on Morse, BV, 466, etc. You use the left lane to do the speed limit. If you see someone come up behind you (who is speeding, incidentally) you move over and let them by. Perfectly legal, except of course the person who is exceeding the speed limit.

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

:agree::coolsmiley:

Preaching to the Choir,, Was born at night,, but not LAST NIGHT :cus:

The 2015 Florida Statutes


Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
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316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.—The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01 or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01 on any road is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
(6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
History.—s. 1, ch. 99-163; s. 5, ch. 2009-183; s. 85, ch. 2012-174; s. 78, ch. 2013-160.

You do know that my comment was to red tail in response to their comment to you and not directed to you, right? Because it seems like you thought I was slamming you. I wasn't.

This thread is a predictable repeat just as round-a-bouts, slow pace of play golfers, idiot car drivers . And with a few word substitutes your going to read the same comments.

The reality is that The Villages vast expansion and the increase in the number of golf carts equate to growing pangs . Sensible adaptations must be achieved.

Bureaucrats like rules for the sake of rules. Rules should consider unintended consequences. Golf cart drivers are traveling greater distances now . Safety is always the first consideration . Passing a slow moving cart is no different than passing a slowing moving car. It is an essential option to prevent bottlenecks The operative word in passing is "safe passing".

Speed limit is a goldilock term too slow and bottlenecks and agitated drivers materialize. Too fast and safety is breached. So we seek just right. The Villages brags about the miles and miles of multi-modal paths. People talk about top speeds but never seem to consider the average speed attained on multi-modal paths. They seem more aware of the pace of play than average speeds on multi-modal paths?

A black Yamaha going 40 mph on Buena Vista sheds no light on the reality of what is occurring on multi-modal pathways.

I agree!

As technology is available to gather golf cart speed data on the multi-modal paths, why is there no data collected? Everyone seems to place bets on how fast everyone is going. I agree with the reality that as TV grows more people will be using golf carts and the distances traveled will increase. Thus, the chances of bad things happening may also increase. How can TV address golf cart safety under the premise of “don’t need no stinking rules”?

Sounds like the walkers were "taking the lane". I like the person that parks their cart on the MMP while visiting with a walker. They think the MMP is a sidewalk where one can just stop anywhere and chat.

To me the question that your description begs is...even if legal, if you're not about to pass a vehicle, and you're not about to turn left, why do you stay in the left lane? I seriously doubt that "most of us" do so.

To continue on the main road through the next RAB.

As is yours.

And yes...this one of mine too. :laugh:

You mean just like you can do in the right lane?

Why not take it? Its an open lane, which is completely legal to use. Let me guess, you would rather have every single car and truck use the right lane all the time? Absurd. And do you think these roads were designed to have the left lane use to "pass" other vehicles? I understand people driving slower than the speed limit who stay in the left lane is wrong, but we're not talking about I75 or the Turnpike. We are talking about roads in the densely packed Villages. Simply makes sense to use both available lanes.

Yes. Except, in the right lane, you are crossing into the left lane that is also going right in the RAB. In the event of an accident, you will most likely be ticketed for not yielding to the car in the left lane.

I stay in the left lane going the speed limit in TV for safety reasons plus, I like being one of the old people that I used to yell at when I was young! If you're in that much of a hurry that this bothers you then even better! LOL

Your guess is totally wrong. Every single car and truck using the right lane is absurd...and you're the only one talking about it. Nobody is talking about not using both lanes...except you.
To use them, yes. To simply cruise at all times in the left lane...not so much.

We will agree to disagree on this point. I didn't realize I had to be in one specific lane if I was going to "cruise" :)

Everyone entering a roundabout from any lane is required to yield to all traffic in the roundabout in any lane. So if you are hit by a car turning right from the inside lane, you SHOULD be ticketed. You have caused the accident by not yielding.

Forgetting that for a minute, your 'logic' still makes no sense. If you enter the roundabout from the left lane, you are crossing the right (outside) lane of the roundabout...twice in fact, entering and exiting. You have not reduced your potential conflicts in any way. In fact you have increased them.

Of course the potential conflicts don't matter anyway if you simply obey the first rule...yield to all traffic in the roundabout. Then you are safe whichever lane you choose.

Yeah, maybe PB should tell us what kind of car he drives so we can get out of his way no matter what lane he is in!:laugh:

Heheh. If you 'cruised' in the right lane, you wouldn't have to get out of my way...or anybody else's way...when we approached from the rear. :boxing2: :icon_wink:

And Walter, in a previous post, you said something to the effect that you stay in the left lane for safety reasons. Would you care to share with us why you feel it's safer to stay in the left lane?

Sure, I'll share.......It's because I just do

Ahh...well...that explains everything. :)

Seems a waste for traffic not to use two perfectly good lanes. Thats what they were built for. And dont worry, when I see a car coming up behind me who is exceeding the speed limit, I always move over if I happen to be in the left lane. You are really concerned about people being in the "passing lane", but can you point me to any portion of the Florida Vehicle Code that allows for the driver of a motor vehicle to exceed a given speed limit (other than of course emergency vehicles)?

Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.