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photo1902 03-25-2016 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203803)
Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.

Who said anything about blocking traffic? Not me. If I'm in the left lane (perfectly legal) and I see a vehicle approaching me from behind, I move over. Simple as that. No one is slowing anyone down, or preventing them from speeding. Case in point, a small Toyota truck did just that on Morse...right up to the point he was pulled over by motor officers working radar. Priceless.

Polar Bear 03-25-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1203804)
Who said anything about blocking traffic?...

You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

photo1902 03-25-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203805)
You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

Two lanes. Enjoy them. Its fun.

BobnBev 03-25-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203805)
You asked where in the code are drivers allowed to exceed the speed limit. Who said anything about that? I was just responding to your unsolicited and irrelevant observation.

Okay...as much as I hate to disappoint all the readers of this thread, I'm going to bow out. It has obviously reached the spinning-wheels stage, if it hadn't already many posts ago. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Have fun with your last word.

Mr Gorbachev, tear down this thread...........or something like that.:evil6:
:spoken:

photo1902 03-25-2016 01:39 PM

:a040:
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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1203811)
Mr Gorbachev, tear down this thread...........or something like that.:evil6:
:spoken:


rubicon 03-25-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203668)
As is yours.

And yes...this one of mine too. :laugh:

Polar Bear: Yes, I admit predictability but some posters seem to believe that living here is like living in the lawless wild west. Geeezzz

outlaw 03-26-2016 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203780)
Everyone entering a roundabout from any lane is required to yield to all traffic in the roundabout in any lane. So if you are hit by a car turning right from the inside lane, you SHOULD be ticketed. You have caused the accident by not yielding.

Forgetting that for a minute, your 'logic' still makes no sense. If you enter the roundabout from the left lane, you are crossing the right (outside) lane of the roundabout...twice in fact, entering and exiting. You have not reduced your potential conflicts in any way. In fact you have increased them.

Of course the potential conflicts don't matter anyway if you simply obey the first rule...yield to all traffic in the roundabout. Then you are safe whichever lane you choose.

You are crossing the right lane upon entering, but you are NOT crossing the right lane upon exiting according to the dotted lines.

How can everyone be required to yield to other vehicles, yet only one person be ticketed in an accident? Illogical. I contend that the auto that crosses the dotted line will be ticketed.

outlaw 03-26-2016 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1203803)
Irrelevant. The law says you must not block traffic from passing you, even if the approaching vehicle is exceeding the speed limit.

I don't suppose you could provide that statute number?

Barefoot 03-26-2016 07:54 AM

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Walter123 03-26-2016 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1204108)
I don't suppose you could provide that statute number?

Carl from Tampa taught me a good lesson on being careful quoting something I read on the internet so I now am.

I got this from what I think is a reliable source.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

It doesn't actually say to move over even if the driver behind you is exceeding the speed limit, it just says move over if the driver behind you is traveling at a higher rate of speed so to me that would include going faster than the speed limit.

That being said, I have to go with Polar Bear on this one and like I said to Carl from Tampa, "I'm smarter today than I was yesterday". I hope this doesn't keep up or I'm going to be too smart for my own britches! Thanks PB! Consider me "moved over".

photo1902 03-26-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1204134)
Carl from Tampa taught me a good lesson on being careful quoting something I read on the internet so I now am.

I got this from what I think is a reliable source.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

It doesn't actually say to move over even if the driver behind you is exceeding the speed limit, it just says move over if the driver behind you is traveling at a higher rate of speed so to me that would include going faster than the speed limit.

That being said, I have to go with Polar Bear on this one and like I said to Carl from Tampa, "I'm smarter today than I was yesterday". I hope this doesn't keep up or I'm going to be too smart for my own britches! Thanks PB! Consider me "moved over".

I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

Walter123 03-26-2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1204144)
I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

In the immortal words of "Blind Faith"

DWYL Some 60's rockers will get this.

joldnol 03-26-2016 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1204144)
I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.

it was passed into law last year. The Sun recently ran an article about how FHP was going to start enforcing the slow poke law. It is not up to the slow driver in the left lane to determine whether or not the others are driving too fast. If folks are passing you on the right or are tailgating you in the left lane YOU are going too slow and impeding traffic. The intent of the law is to reduce road rage.

buzzy 03-26-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1204144)
I interpret that as meaning if you are in the left lane going slower than the posted speed limit. Im not aware of any statute which requires a driver to yield (or move over) for a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit. The bottom line is that most of us do not continually ride in the left lane, but it is lawful to do so. The idea that you should only be in the left lane for turns is just not correct.


The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

photo1902 03-26-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 1204232)
The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

Im not really sure how, from my post, you implied I endorsed going under the speed limit in the left lane. I never said that, nor would I condone it. The point is the left lane, by law, is allowed for all vehicle travel, regardless of your future intent of turning, etc. Period. This is not up to interpretation. If you are in the left lane, do the speed limit. Any less, move to the right lane. Again, we are talking about local roads, Buena Vista, Morse, 466 and 466A, not the interstate or the Turnpike.

photo1902 03-26-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 1204232)
The broader intent is that a speeding car is likely to go around you on the right, creating more hazard than you moving over for him. You are NOT supposed to make your car an obstacle to prevent the other guy from speeding.

Incidentally, the "slow poke law", was enacted in 2013, the specifics of which are:

"Drivers going 10 mph slower than the speed limit who don’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles can be ticketed $60 and hit with a 3-point moving violation, according to one small part of a transportation bill that goes into effect Monday, July 1, 2013.

The overall bill makes changes to the way the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles administers many programs and was signed into law June 13 by the governor.

And yes, someone going 10 mph slower SHOULD NOT be in the left lane.

joldnol 03-26-2016 03:37 PM

FL statue 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Diver 03-26-2016 03:45 PM

:pepper2::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::pepper2:

photo1902 03-26-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joldnol (Post 1204386)
FL statue 316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—

(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

Ain't Google great!

joldnol 03-26-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1204397)
Ain't Google great!

yep....snopes too

photo1902 03-26-2016 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joldnol (Post 1204399)
yep....snopes too

:beer3:

joldnol 03-26-2016 04:17 PM

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rubicon 03-27-2016 05:33 AM

None of this matters until or unless you are the guy(s) driving behind the guy traveling at 55mph in a 70mph zone . a guy that appears to be saying this use to be a 55mph road and I don't see why they changed it

outlaw 03-27-2016 07:34 AM

To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

photo1902 03-27-2016 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1204587)
To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

:BigApplause:

Topspinmo 03-27-2016 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1204282)
Incidentally, the "slow poke law", was enacted in 2013, the specifics of which are:

"Drivers going 10 mph slower than the speed limit who don’t get out of the way of approaching vehicles can be ticketed $60 and hit with a 3-point moving violation, according to one small part of a transportation bill that goes into effect Monday, July 1, 2013.

The overall bill makes changes to the way the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles administers many programs and was signed into law June 13 by the governor.

And yes, someone going 10 mph slower SHOULD NOT be in the left lane.

This has come up before. Even if you are going the maximum speed limit and speeding car approaching in the left lane you must move over if traffic allows it. Or at the first oppuntunity. To let the speeding car around. Only LOEs are traffic enforcers. As stated left lane is for all traffic unless someone is speeding. Then you have to move over let them by. If I'm going to turn left I get in the left lane when it's safe or clear and my speed is with the flow of traffic which is usually 40 plus on BV or Morse BV. Few people drive 35 down these roads if the do unless turning left then need to be in the right lane to let the speeders by. Leo is responsible for law breakers.

The orginal post was about golf cart designed to go 12 mph on course modified for special use to go 20. Not triple its design. This is the problem LEO need to catch IMO not the ones going 22 or 23 down hill. As far as LSV most exceed 25 mph limit when going down BV or Morse BV. I find little traffic enforcement in around villages which creates this problem.:police:

The most complainers IMO are the speeders that use the left lane and don't drive in the right lane and get ****ed when they have to drive the speed limit!:D

photo1902 03-27-2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1204619)
This has come up before. Even if you are going the maximum speed limit and speeding car approaching in the left lane you must move over if traffic allows it. Or at the first oppuntunity. To let the speeding car around. Only LOEs are traffic enforcers. As stated left lane is for all traffic unless someone is speeding. Then you have to move over let them by. If I'm going to turn left I get in the left lane when it's safe or clear and my speed is with the flow of traffic which is usually 40 plus on BV or Morse BV. Few people drive 35 down these roads if the do unless turning left then need to be in the right lane to let the speeders by. Leo is responsible for law breakers.

The orginal post was about golf cart designed to go 12 mph on course modified for special use to go 20. Not triple its design. This is the problem LEO need to catch IMO not the ones going 22 or 23 down hill. As far as LSV most exceed 25 mph limit when going down BV or Morse BV. I find little traffic enforcement in around villages which creates this problem.:police:

The most complainers IMO are the speeders that use the left lane and don't drive in the right lane and get ****ed when they have to drive the speed limit!:D

Exactly!

outlaw 03-27-2016 10:42 AM

I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

NYGUY 03-27-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1204698)
I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

I agree, and do it in the right hand lane unless passing someone going even slower.

Topspinmo 03-27-2016 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NYGUY (Post 1204763)
I agree, and do it in the right hand lane unless passing someone going even slower.


Good luck the that one. I could see everyone driving in the right lane down 441 or BV. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. EVER!

Topspinmo 03-27-2016 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1204698)
I always look at the speed limit as the minimum you should go so as not to impede traffic.

Your opinion! We all have them.

perrjojo 03-27-2016 01:42 PM

So how is a speed limit determined? Isn't it because it is the safest speed for the conditions? I don't think someone comes up with arbitrary speed limits just to P'$$ people off.

RickeyD 03-27-2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1204779)
So how is a speed limit determined? Isn't it because it is the safest speed for the conditions? I don't think someone comes up with arbitrary speed limits just to P'$$ people off.



I believe if road and weather conditions are perfect, the posted speed limit applies. Any dangerous weather or road condition would summarily decrease the posted speed and a person should be ticketed for going the limit.

Topspinmo 03-27-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1204785)
I believe if road and weather conditions are perfect, the posted speed limit applies. Any dangerous weather or road condition would summarily decrease the posted speed and a person should be ticketed for going the limit.

Exactly. Why you don't drive 70 plus during thunder storm or snow storm. But, a few learn this the hard way when they hydroplane or slide off the road.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-27-2016 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1203162)
My Parcar did not have hydraulic brakes or a split windshield, and it was a new "NEV", street legal, vin, licensed, and insured. I believe it was a 2003 model.


What is an NEV? I though that in order to be street legal a vehicle had to have a solid windshield and wipers.

As far as four wheel or hydraulic brakes, I don't care as long as the brakes are able to stop the vehicle going the maximum speed in an emergency. Standard two wheel golf cart brakes cannot stop a cart going 25 fast enough.

This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.

GaryW 03-28-2016 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1203554)
You do know that my comment was to red tail in response to their comment to you and not directed to you, right? Because it seems like you thought I was slamming you. I wasn't.

Yes,, my bust,, that is who I meant to quote,,, sorry :bigbow:

rubicon 03-28-2016 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1204587)
To those who frequently complain about a thread getting off topic, and/or request the thread be closed because they determine it has run its course:
This thread started as a complaint regarding modified carts going too fast. It morphed into a thread about rules for driving in the left lane. This provided some good debate and good/interesting info of which I, and probably others, were unaware.

Rules, don't need no stinking rules!:D that is the title the topic

Personal Best Regards:

NYGUY 03-28-2016 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1204899)
This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.

Absolutely right..:clap2:

RickeyD 03-28-2016 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1204899)
What is an NEV? I though that in order to be street legal a vehicle had to have a solid windshield and wipers.



As far as four wheel or hydraulic brakes, I don't care as long as the brakes are able to stop the vehicle going the maximum speed in an emergency. Standard two wheel golf cart brakes cannot stop a cart going 25 fast enough.



This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.



Even in a state with annual safety inspections many people circumvent with fake stickers, friends in the business etc.
As a rule I know a beater on the road if I see it, I'll always keep my distance either far ahead or way back, depending upon my mood that minute.

joldnol 03-28-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1204899)

This is one of the problems with not having vehicle inspections in this state. I'm not a big government guy, but I have no problem with the state ensuring that vehicles driving beside me on the roads have the proper safety equipment.


we had inspections until the Governor Graham had to wait in line for an inspection.......


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