Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899592)

I'm not arguing the letter of the law.
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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 899639)

I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 899658)

I get that, Doc. You are simply agruing the necessity to follow it and to enforce it. To each his own. I'll be the one stopped at all red lights and stop signs.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899694)

And I have no problem with that. Just please don't be telling me that when I slowly roll through a stop sign after I've looked and all four directions and can clearly see that there is no other traffic, that I'm doing something dangerous.

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 899760)

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 899719)

LOL...just in violation of the statute! ;)

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 899760)

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899767)

Yes, technically in violation of the statute. Yes, I violate the letter of the law. But as I said, it would be impossible and unreasonable for LE to enforce every single law to the absolute letter of the law. What they do and what they should do is deal with situations that endanger the lives and safety of the public.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899769)

Please give me real life examples where people that you know have ben pulled over for exceeding the speed limit by one or two mph or for rolling through a stop sign when there is no other traffic within miles.

If you can name some, I would bet that the people who were pulled over have either been driving erratically or they are "well known to local authorities" and LE was simply looking for an excuse to pull them over. The police don't want to be wasting their time on silly little "technical" violations.

Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 899771)

Not trying to stir the pot, but as I read this, I am reminded of the few posts I have read on this very board alluding to other laws other than stopping at stop signs criticizing law enforcement for not enforcing the law and being selective in doing so.

I suppose it has to do with the law that WE want to violate or think is anal.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899774)

I don't know many reasonable people that think that it's prudent or reasonable for police to enforce every single minor violation. Like I said, I think that the line is if you do something that creates a danger or threatens the safety of the general public. The other cases are when police are given orders by a city or town to start clamping down either because there have been some incidents at a certain location or the municipality decides they need to raise some funds.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899592)

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899776)

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899776)

I wonder how many people here would be in favor of raising taxes so that we could increase the size of the police force by ten fold so that they could sit on streets and ticket every single car that exceed the speed limit by 1 mph or people who roll through a stop sign at 2 mph.

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 899780)

Doc: forgive me for intervening but I spent my entire career in insurance and can tell you that just the people who claimed" I rolled through because there was no one around for miles" in the same breath also say he came out of nowhere". Ergo the reason for stop signs and stop lights.

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 899827)

Why hire more police when any law enforcement community can simply run 'target campaigns' such as the 'click it or ticket' campaigns or the DUI checkpoints that are run every weekend/holiday here in NJ?

Some folks actually get the message! Seat belt usage in NJ has been increasing annnually with more than 90% of drivers here being belted in! Those who don't get the message and get stopped get what they deserve.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899592)

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 899852)

I have to admit today I got out of my cart several times and rolled across the stop sign and then got back in and went about my business. Didn't get caught once. Tomorrow may be different!

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899833)

Because we're talking about slowly rolling through stop signs and some people think that every violation no matter how minor should be stopped and ticketed. The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

Originally Posted by wholman66 (Post 899848)

I was always taught to obey the law,,, period.. Have I ever broken a traffic law, absolutely, but the total disregard for stop signs and right turns at red lights, is out of control. Probably will never be corrected, gone on way too long. The issue for me is that it puts my life in danger. I walk early in the mornings and have had to dodge cars, golf carts and bikes in broad day light... They don't pay attention to crosswalks either!!!

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 899882)

My dear friend was taking her 10 year old son to school. Someone "rolled thru a stop sign" and hit her on the passenger side. Her son was seat belted but by some freak occurrence he hit his head on the side panel of the door. He finally survived after weeks in ICU but still has the mentatilty of a 5 year old ... 25 years later. Probably doesn't happen often but if it happens to you, it is one time too many. STOP means STOP... not if you feel like it...not if you think it is necessary. The stop sign is there for a reason. We don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey.

Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 899918)

I have seen persons who come to a complete stop at a stop sign, the drive directly into the path of a vehicle entering the intersection at right angles which did not have a stop sign.
Accidents are mainly caused by people who are not paying attention, whether or not they are following the letter of the law.

Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 899918)

I have seen persons who come to a complete stop at a stop sign, the drive directly into the path of a vehicle entering the intersection at right angles which did not have a stop sign.
Accidents are mainly caused by people who are not paying attention, whether or not they are following the letter of the law.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899833)

The only way to do this is to have police stationed at every intersection. Otherwise, some people will get away with breaking the law and some won't. Why should some people just be unlucky? That just doesn't seem fair.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 899956)

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899961)

I was being a bit tongue in cheek or ironic.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 899956)

I don't understand your logic.
We don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey based on whether we personally think the law is fair.