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Bay Kid 06-28-2014 05:48 AM

Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

TheVillageChicken 06-28-2014 07:06 AM

While stopping when directed to is the smart and safe thing to do, those white posts with the word "STOP" on them are not legal stop signs. Only the red octagonal stop signs are legal for traffic control according to FDOT.

getdul981 06-28-2014 07:13 AM

We live on a corner and there are 2 stop signs. Every day I see people running the stop signs. Most slow down, but some don't. I have even seen people on bicycles just whizzing on through like the sign is not even there.

DonH57 06-28-2014 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 899570)
Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

I've had a few tailgate me and start yelling because I stopped or I'm not going fast enough on the cart path and they can't pass. I find turning up the radio to drown them out throws them off their game.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-28-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 899520)
Doc - What you see as not being wrong seems to be in conflict with Florida statutes...I hope you never have to get into that discussion with a guy who has a ticket book in his hand and is asking you for your license, registration and insurance card!

The 2013 Florida Statutes
316.003 Definitions
(51) STOP.—When required, complete cessation from movement.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.—
(1) The right-of-way at an intersection may be indicated by stop signs or yield signs as authorized in s. 316.006.
(2)(a) Except when directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic control signal, every driver of a vehicle approaching a stop intersection indicated by a stop sign shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection. After having stopped, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle which has entered the intersection from another highway or which is approaching so closely on said highway as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time when the driver is moving across or within the intersection.
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

I'm not arguing the letter of the law. What I'm saying is that in some cases reasonable people can do things that don't follow the letter of the law, but don't harm anyone and don't put anyone in danger. It's not just stop signs. How many of you have driven a few miles per hour over the speed limit. Do you think that everyone going 33 in a 30 mph zone should be stopped and ticketed? Some here would say yes. In fact some people might suggest that you turn yourself in and explain to the police what you did and insist that they give you a ticket. Is that reasonable?

There are many instances where the letter of the law is not followed and nothing is done about it because to take action, would be completely unreasonable. Obviously, a driver that completely blows though a stop sign or causes and accident after a rolling stop is being unreasonable, irresponsible, unsafe and causing a danger to the public.

You can post all of the laws you want and you can talk all you want about counting three seconds. To me some people can get a bit anal about these kinds of things. Some would have us believe that a driver that can see a half mile in all directions 20 yards before an intersection and slows down to 5 mph before proceeding cautiously is somehow presenting a danger to the public. To me, some people get a bit anal about some of these things.

I think that we have people in the world who think that it's their job to run around nitpicking everyone's actions and then discussing it. If little things like this bother you, I feel sorry for you. That's simply too much stress for me to deal with. I see people doing things all the time that could cause accidents if not for other drivers being alert. Slowly rolling through stop signs where it is clear that there is no traffic is not one of them.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-28-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 899570)
Many times when I stop and a cart is behind me, they will stay on my rear and push me thru. Some almost are upset that I would have the nerve to stop.
Cars are much bigger than carts!

Are you saying that people in carts have actually, physically pushed you though a stop sign?

Lauren Sweeny 06-28-2014 07:40 AM

Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-28-2014 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 899597)
Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

I don't disagree with that.

graciegirl 06-28-2014 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lauren Sweeny (Post 899597)
Choices may well be based on the proposition that a 'reasonable person' is making a decision with all variables considered. With that in mind , a person chooses to act and then must face the consequences of that action. Cause and effect ,(run a light or stop sign or any other choice or decision) get a ticket. I taught Kindergarten . I taught my students the above ,choose your action, and be responsible for that action, and it's consequences. I used this as a way of explaining responsibility and respect. This should be taught at home but for the most part it became objective.

I so agree.

There is nothing on this earth better than a good kindergarten teacher. I am NOT teasing.

Think before you act. Follow the rules. You aren't the ONLY person in this world. For NOW, color in the lines. Learn these things and then create your own values.

DonH57 06-28-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 899600)
I so agree.

There is nothing on this earth better than a good kindergarten teacher. I am NOT teasing.

Think before you act. Follow the rules. You aren't the ONLY person in this world. For NOW, color in the lines. Learn we rthese things and then create your own values.

I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.

njbchbum 06-28-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899592)
I'm not arguing the letter of the law.
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I get that, Doc. You are simply agruing the necessity to follow it and to enforce it. To each his own. I'll be the one stopped at all red lights and stop signs.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-28-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 899639)
I believe some never got the memo. A few minutes ago I observed a lady in a cart pass a mobility scooter that was almost at the crest of the cart bridge going up. No thought what so ever of what may be coming up the other side. I'm willing to bet her car driving is no better.

My point is that behavior like that is extremely dangerous as opposed to slowly rolling through a stop sing and almost coming to a stop and proceeding when it is clear that there are no cars coming from any direction.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-28-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 899658)
I get that, Doc. You are simply agruing the necessity to follow it and to enforce it. To each his own. I'll be the one stopped at all red lights and stop signs.

And I have no problem with that. Just please don't be telling me that when I slowly roll through a stop sign after I've looked and all four directions and can clearly see that there is no other traffic, that I'm doing something dangerous.

njbchbum 06-28-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 899694)
And I have no problem with that. Just please don't be telling me that when I slowly roll through a stop sign after I've looked and all four directions and can clearly see that there is no other traffic, that I'm doing something dangerous.

LOL...just in violation of the statute! ;)

karostay 06-28-2014 01:59 PM

I wasn't really speeding just eased over the 65 limit traffic was clear and yes I looked in all directions before rolling into the intersection..What's the problem I'm a safe driver. Officer


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