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Larchap49 09-13-2022 04:29 PM

Pizza
 
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Originally Posted by JRP2TV (Post 2135873)
Piesano's has the best pizza not only in Florida, but from the midwest to the Atlantic ocean. Pizza from up north can't touch it.

It's fantastic. I will stick with them. :coolsmiley:

Wrong wrong and wrong again. 3 for 3

Larchap49 09-13-2022 04:40 PM

Pizza
 
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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2135992)
30 minutes for the pizza? Not my experience. I’ve ordered pizza on three occasions (two pies each time) and have had it ready in 10 minutes or less.

Well it sounds like they only half cook it so I can believe that

DaleDivine 09-13-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136222)
I would have politely requested the change and if they told me the policy would have told the employee what I thought of it.

Soooo, if the pizza costs $19.02, do THEY keep the 98 cents?
They should just charge $20 for a pizza and everyone would accept that.
Then no big deal about change...

:bowdown::bowdown::icon_hungry::yuck:

DaleDivine 09-13-2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 2136325)
Wrong wrong and wrong again. 3 for 3

We like Stavro's pizza.
:BigApplause::BigApplause::thumbup:

Lalexa8 09-13-2022 05:41 PM

First world problems!

Stu from NYC 09-13-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2136333)
Soooo, if the pizza costs $19.02, do THEY keep the 98 cents?
They should just charge $20 for a pizza and everyone would accept that.
Then no big deal about change...

:bowdown::bowdown::icon_hungry::yuck:

Very true the owner should have thought of that before he started this policy

thelegges 09-13-2022 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 2136330)
Well it sounds like they only half cook it so I can believe that

True wood fire pizza oven only takes minutes. Ours up north pie has to be turn every 20-30 seconds or it will be a crispy burnt puck. Fire is in the back so constant peel up and turn 1/4..Total time in home wood fire oven less than 3-4 minutes

END OTT 09-13-2022 06:16 PM

Steel flat bottom chairs and hard wood chairs - my boney butt gets me out fast
 
Need more comfort in the seating if they expect a longer stay

Laker14 09-13-2022 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2136266)
I believe they (The Developer) intended it to be a Scottish pub. My people (Irish Celts) have much better pubs than that.

I wonder if the "No Change" place would accept your $19. on a $19.64 order? I bet the .64 is important to them then.

Once upon a time, I went to a bakery in Laguna Beach, CA. The state law is that groceries and take-out food items are NOT taxed. Probably the only thing on God's green earth that California doesn't tax. Anyhow, the guy at the bakery charged me tax on my to-go item. I pointed it out to him. He said his accountant told him to just charge tax on everything because it was easier (for them) that way. I never returned to that bakery.

Back in 1970, when I was in high school, I worked at a McDonald's in Cincinnati. At that time Ohio did not tax take out orders. We were told NOT to ask if it was "to go". If a customer didn't specify, we were to charge the tax. Most of the time they got away with it, and if they didn't, it was just the poor schlub (i.e. me and my fellow schlubs) who took the angry brunt of the customers.
Nothing surprises me about this.

Dotneko 09-13-2022 06:40 PM

St Cats really doesn't need a food court. The ice cream/bakery and meat market aren't going to have enough turnover to make a profit. Make it a sit down restaurant with comfortable seating and better acoustics.
At least McGradys food is edible. Maybe a bit expensive, but servers and bartenders are friendly. Nice atmosphere. Once the music starts, the porch will be packed.

dewilson58 09-13-2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2136366)
Once the music starts, the porch will be packed.

Water drinkers like Katie B's ????

Stu from NYC 09-13-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2136368)
Water drinkers like Katie B's ????

I suspect that if that starts to happen he will institute a minimum bill.

thelegges 09-14-2022 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136375)
I suspect that if that starts to happen he will institute a minimum bill.

KB’s finally went to a minimum on drink, food, and at the end length of time for tables. We see how that worked out.

Dusty_Star 09-14-2022 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Graspher (Post 2136161)
Excellent take-away. I bet the rounding down would neutralize the no coin change provided concept. This would slightly favor the customer and remove the heat from their policy. And I bet not really result in any real loss to the establishment.

The Frenchy's employee announced the amount due - I passed over $20 and was expecting a return of change.

Frenchy's employee placed my cash in the drawer and closed it without missing a beat. Never said anything about their NO coin change provided policy.

I didn't bother saying anything cause I wasn't going to sweat the .64. My initial thought was he forgot to provide the change...followed by he made a decision to auto-tip himself.

It wasn't until I returned to retrieve the pizza that I saw the no change sign on the counter way opposite of the register.

I'm going with robbery.

I agree with the robbery conclusion, if they have a no coin change policy then they should round in the customer's favor & given you a paper dollar back.

There is currently a coin shortage nationwide. This is due to the mint shutting down amidst the Covid hysteria. The mint is now reopen & minting coins but it is taking a long time to get the coin liquidity back into the market. If this is the ultimate reason for the no change policy at Sawgrass it would be wiser & more customer friendly to have signs prominently placed that say something along the lines that due to the current coin shortage they need customers to either pay with exact change or cards. If this were more widely known, it would be easy for people to make their own determination, either grab some coins before heading out or decide to pay with a card. The option that Sawgrass has taken is unreasonable & will likely result in the current businesses' failure, in my opinion.

The Fed - Are U.S. coins in short supply?

PoolBrews 09-14-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2136051)
but no Bass Ale! i'd pay a higher price if i could just find it. so far i've only seen it in that liquor warehouse type business on 441, can't remember the name. any other place is hit or miss whether they carry it @ all. hubby's family was from Burton-on-Trent, so Bass was a staple in the home. is also darn good & hearty

I haven't seen Bass ale on tap anywhere around here. Having said that, Harp is pretty close. O'Keefe's in Tavares has that on tap, as well as Guinness, Smithwicks, and Magner cider. Good food as well. I'll take a Smithwicks any day over Bass. More flavor - maltier, breadier, and smoooooth. No bite on the back end like Bass. Everyone's tastes are different, that's why there are so many beers out there!

Keefelane66 09-14-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2136424)
I agree with the robbery conclusion, if they have a no coin change policy then they should round in the customer's favor & given you a paper dollar back.

There is currently a coin shortage nationwide. This is due to the mint shutting down amidst the Covid hysteria. The mint is now reopen & minting coins but it is taking a long time to get the coin liquidity back into the market. If this is the ultimate reason for the no change policy at Sawgrass it would be wiser & more customer friendly to have signs prominently placed that say something along the lines that due to the current coin shortage they need customers to either pay with exact change or cards. If this were more widely known, it would be easy for people to make their own determination, either grab some coins before heading out or decide to pay with a card. The option that Sawgrass has taken is unreasonable & will likely result in the current businesses' failure, in my opinion.

The Fed - Are U.S. coins in short supply?

Your Fed link is from May 2021 plenty of change now. Coin shortage is now just another way to take advantage of customers. If I want to make a donation to charity I do it in my name!

Rainger99 09-14-2022 12:57 PM

Interesting article on why airport food is so expensive. Maybe they will do an article on Sawgrass. I don't think employee parking is a factor in Sawgrass.

The Truth About Expensive Airport Food: Why Does it Cost So Much?

msilagy 09-14-2022 01:15 PM

I come back to TV soon and not excited about "ONE" restaurant - and Sawgrass pizza....YUCK!

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2136416)
KB’s finally went to a minimum on drink, food, and at the end length of time for tables. We see how that worked out.

Did not know they did that thanks for sharing. Wonder why that didnt help turn the place around?

retiredguy123 09-14-2022 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2136653)
Interesting article on why airport food is so expensive. Maybe they will do an article on Sawgrass. I don't think employee parking is a factor in Sawgrass.

The Truth About Expensive Airport Food: Why Does it Cost So Much?

When I lived in Northern Virginia, the airport restaurants at Dulles and National, were not allowed to charge more for food than they charged for the same items at the regional malls.

Tom M 09-14-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Graspher (Post 2136161)
Excellent take-away. I bet the rounding down would neutralize the no coin change provided concept. This would slightly favor the customer and remove the heat from their policy. And I bet not really result in any real loss to the establishment.

The Frenchy's employee announced the amount due - I passed over $20 and was expecting a return of change.

Frenchy's employee placed my cash in the drawer and closed it without missing a beat. Never said anything about their NO coin change provided policy.

I didn't bother saying anything cause I wasn't going to sweat the .64. My initial thought was he forgot to provide the change...followed by he made a decision to auto-tip himself.

It wasn't until I returned to retrieve the pizza that I saw the no change sign on the counter way opposite of the register.

I'm going with robbery.


Maybe give them $19 and tell them your policy is to not pay the change portion :-)

Do they take checks?

Tom M 09-14-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2136266)
I believe they (The Developer) intended it to be a Scottish pub. My people (Irish Celts) have much better pubs than that.

I wonder if the "No Change" place would accept your $19. on a $19.64 order? I bet the .64 is important to them then.

Once upon a time, I went to a bakery in Laguna Beach, CA. The state law is that groceries and take-out food items are NOT taxed. Probably the only thing on God's green earth that California doesn't tax. Anyhow, the guy at the bakery charged me tax on my to-go item. I pointed it out to him. He said his accountant told him to just charge tax on everything because it was easier (for them) that way. I never returned to that bakery.

Maybe you could notify them ahead of time by placing a small note at the end of the table before ordering that you will be rounding the bill down to the nearest even dollar amount. Seems just as fair as what they are doing.

thelegges 09-14-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136671)
Did not know they did that thanks for sharing. Wonder why that didnt help turn the place around?

Because free water was no longer allowed while you took up space at a table for hours, without spending any money. KB’s Hay day the developers sent you for the free meals while on lifestyle visit. We got a kick out of watching those who sat for more than 2 hours dancing, adding crystal light or their teabags to the free water.

When 2 drink minimum started crowds dwindled quickly, food went downhill at the same time. Once the the entertainment went from free to pay, it was a quick death

Stu from NYC 09-14-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2136747)
Because free water was no longer allowed while you took up space at a table for hours, without spending any money. KB’s Hay day the developers sent you for the free meals while on lifestyle visit. We got a kick out of watching those who sat for more than 2 hours dancing, adding crystal light or their teabags to the free water.

When 2 drink minimum started crowds dwindled quickly, food went downhill at the same time. Once the the entertainment went from free to pay, it was a quick death

Thanks for the history lesson, it closed before we moved in.

thelegges 09-15-2022 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2136760)
Thanks for the history lesson, it closed before we moved in.

When we came in 07 KBs had great food, diners were upstairs and could look down on the dance floor. Great salad bar, specials every night, service was impeccable. However down on the dance floor very little money was made, and the diners profit just couldn’t support the venue.

Do I miss KB’s not really, by 2010 I think we only stopped by for drinks when company came. Like the squares we may visit once a month if that

Graspher 09-15-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2136424)
I agree with the robbery conclusion, if they have a no coin change policy then they should round in the customer's favor & given you a paper dollar back.

There is currently a coin shortage nationwide. This is due to the mint shutting down amidst the Covid hysteria. The mint is now reopen & minting coins but it is taking a long time to get the coin liquidity back into the market. If this is the ultimate reason for the no change policy at Sawgrass it would be wiser & more customer friendly to have signs prominently placed that say something along the lines that due to the current coin shortage they need customers to either pay with exact change or cards. If this were more widely known, it would be easy for people to make their own determination, either grab some coins before heading out or decide to pay with a card. The option that Sawgrass has taken is unreasonable & will likely result in the current businesses' failure, in my opinion.

The Fed - Are U.S. coins in short supply?

Excellent point and I agree that different signage would be much more customer receptive....if it is the coin shortage.

Graspher 09-15-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 2136738)
Maybe give them $19 and tell them your policy is to not pay the change portion :-)

Do they take checks?

:BigApplause: Right on to that!

Checks? No clue.

Graspher 09-15-2022 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tom m (Post 2136742)
maybe you could notify them ahead of time by placing a small note at the end of the table before ordering that you will be rounding the bill down to the nearest even dollar amount. Seems just as fair as what they are doing.

true that !!

Babubhat 09-15-2022 09:42 AM

Not providing change is theft. Period

NECHFalcon68 09-16-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2135984)
Any place around here where you can get Sam Adams Boston Lager on tap?

Millers Ale House. Also has the seasonal on tap.

ThirdOfFive 09-17-2022 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 2136738)
Maybe give them $19 and tell them your policy is to not pay the change portion :-)

Do they take checks?

Why not plunk down $X for the waitperson and just tell them to add the change to the tip?

ThirdOfFive 09-17-2022 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2136675)
When I lived in Northern Virginia, the airport restaurants at Dulles and National, were not allowed to charge more for food than they charged for the same items at the regional malls.

Salt Lake City and Denver appear to have reasonable (compared to most airports, anyway) pricing on food items. Most others don't. LaGuardia for some reason sticks in my mind as really high-buck. We had an eight-hour layover there once and spent quite a bit for two meals. Service was rude as well.

Last month at Minneapolis - St. Paul airport I had a three-hour early morning wait for my flight. Looking for breakfast I spied a major chain place with long lines and very high prices. Just across the concourse though was this little joint staffed by Somalis (maybe run by them too as there has been a push to assist minorities to develop small businesses up there) that I had never seen there before but which had self-serve breakfast sandwiches and really good coffee for significantly less than what the other place was selling for. Prompt, friendly service as well.

Tom359 09-17-2022 11:06 AM

Bass was bought out by Coors. They will no longer be making it in kegs, bottles only. Heard that from a bartender at the British pub in Epcot. He said it happened suddenly. They had been on back order for some time, then they were told they would not be receiving anymore.

Dani & Bill 09-18-2022 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JRP2TV (Post 2135849)
Once they finish building and opening the entertainment square (once they get past whatever issue has stopped them from proceeding installing the rest of the awnings), Sawgrass Grove will transform into a happening place. Until then, I'm sure the businesses inside are losing a fortune.

We shall see... I personally disagree. The novelty of Sawgrass as an entertainment venue will quickly wear off as patrons realize it has no ambiance or personality and will opt for Brownwood. The food, cost and other stupid policies like no coin change will contribute to the venue's negative aura. Sawgrass is a complete disappointment so far with nothing on the horizon to dissuade me at least from feeling otherwise.

JP 09-18-2022 09:47 AM

Most of the negative comments about Sawgrass were also said about Brownwood for years. New businesses and areas take time to develop and change. I think Sawgrass will eventually be vey popular.

Kelevision 09-18-2022 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dani & Bill (Post 2137721)
We shall see... I personally disagree. The novelty of Sawgrass as an entertainment venue will quickly wear off as patrons realize it has no ambiance or personality and will opt for Brownwood. The food, cost and other stupid policies like no coin change will contribute to the venue's negative aura. Sawgrass is a complete disappointment so far with nothing on the horizon to dissuade me at least from feeling otherwise.

You can’t really compare Sawgrass to Brownwood. It’s more of an alternate to a Country Club for the Championship Course. Easpoint will be the 4th Town Square.

Bill14564 09-18-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2137923)
You can’t really compare Sawgrass to Brownwood. It’s more of an alternate to a Country Club for the Championship Course. Easpoint will be the 4th Town Square.

I don't understand the comparison to a Country Club. None of the country clubs in the Brownwood area have standalone pizza and sweet shops, none are expecting a butcher, and none have a large stage and viewing area. Plus most (all?) the country clubs in the Brownwood area are adjacent to a golf course (not a putting course).

It's not a town square, but it isn't a country club either.

thelegges 09-18-2022 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2137925)
I don't understand the comparison to a Country Club. None of the country clubs in the Brownwood area have standalone pizza and sweet shops, none are expecting a butcher, and none have a large stage and viewing area. Plus most (all?) the country clubs in the Brownwood area are adjacent to a golf course (not a putting course).

It's not a town square, but it isn't a country club either.

Developer wanted a new concept instead of building a country club. Their house their rules. Since they lease all the restaurants in CC this may have been a way not to deal with finding tenants for large country club venue.

Down the road if it works well for the developers country clubs may be a thing of the past

coffeebean 09-18-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2137940)
Developer wanted a new concept instead of building a country club. Their house their rules. Since they lease all the restaurants in CC this may have been a way not to deal with finding tenants for large country club venue.

Down the road if it works well for the developers country clubs may be a thing of the past

Let's hope not for the southern village's sake. Country clubs are what has worked for years and there is too many complaints about Sawgrass and what it is attempting to be.

thelegges 09-18-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2137942)
Let's hope not for the southern village's sake. Country clubs are what has worked for years and there is too many complaints about Sawgrass and what it is attempting to be.

However if the new concept works in the developers favor, still their house their rules. In 13 years, I would guess we have eaten in a country club, maybe 10 times a year. With hard to find staff, large venues just requires more people than can be recruited. If you notice the square foot of country clubs has greatly decreased. With the removal of one CC, that course is still being played, without the benefit of a building, or a sawgrass prototype


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