I am new to this type of media. I figured since my name, address & phone number are in the phone book, it was ok to print it. An administrator removed it and I selected an alias. Plz tell me what can happen by sharing the info above? Thx

Kirk, I am glad you are okay. You were the only one there, but I tend to agree this doesn't seem like some innocent "oops, I went into the wrong room" especially not with the flickering of the lights and grabbing the curtain after hearing your voice when you called out.
Have I ever gone into the wrong restroom, yes both unintentionally and intentionally with another lady standing guard at the door (when the ladies room was either out of order or had a never ending line) Sure it happens! But never would I attempt to open the curtain to a man showering in a locker room and claim it was by mistake.
I feel there are ways to make these areas more secure. I disagree with the comment that there is a limit as to what TV can or should do for its residents. I think they can and should do whatever it takes to keep its residents safe especially in areas which we pay fees to keep up and use.

Kirk, the dangers of putting your name, address and phone number here rather than in a local phone book is that this is public to the entire world, not just residents of TV. To find someone in a phone book, someone would either have to know you or do a page-by-page search for something or someone specific. Here, giving your real name makes you very public and very vulnerable. The internet is a wonderful thing but it can be a very dangerous thing. Please be careful to not give enough personal information to let others know how to find you.

I have thought too that it might have been a man looking to meet a man, a date, in the mens shower. It happens at rest stops on the interstate. Men make dates to meet men there at the mens rest room.

Alright, who are you and what have you done with our Gracie?

Hey Coconuts!

We are missing the neighborhood block party tomorrow, aren't we? I guess I am just gonna have to knock on doors to hug people when we get there next Saturday. Or...Put the coffee flag up?

But as to the post about men meeting men, it does happen you know. Remember that politician that got busted having sex in the mens room?

I read things like that all of the time.:read:

Well, it could have been a villager who hired a younger man to have a date with him at the sports pool shower. He could have said, just flip the lights on and off...

It could have happened like that, Coconuts.:shrug:

Anyone have realistic suggestions about how to beef up sport pool security?
 

The pools I used as a kid and then a student seemed to have much better safety and security than what I have heard of the Villages' sports pools. These were either pools for University students with valid IDs or paid admission pools which were the county and/or city run. They had admission attendants as well as lifeguards.

The Villages family pools actually sound like they have much better security than the sports pools as I would see frequently ID checkers there and the rest rooms there had doors that lock. I did not always see ID checkers at the family pools but at the hottest parts of the day they were usually there.

Volunteers from the Villages' residents might be a fiscally reasonable solution for the Villages' management. They would probably be a deterrent to almost any wrongdoers. Especially if they have phones with picture taking ability if they see a male heading into the female showers or vice versa.

One issue with the Sports pools is that the shower area (covered by only a shower curtin..that may or may not be closed entirely) is directly off the main hall way (oposite the enterance to the locker area) leading to the pool enterance. NOw if the facility was designed so that the shower area were in the locker room area not, off the main hallway, would that be more secure...or More isolated.

Hard to comment on this point unless you are familair with the sports pool locker room layout.

Instead of having employees at the security gates, have employees at pools. Employees at the gates must be a big expense . . .

I read earlier this year that having the gates "manned" cost upwards of $1.3 million a year...a good cover for the developer..but does little value for the residents at that expense. .

After using the sports pools, I go home to shower!!!!!:boom:

Kirk,
I would like to add my voice to the chorus and say how happy I was to find that no physical harm came to you during the "shower incident" in the recreation center. As I don't frequent this forum very often, I see this is somewhat "old" but still very "good" news.

When reading your post, I found it quite unsettling and can only imagine the fear you felt during the time you discovered a male was in the ladie’s shower room until you saw him flee. Regardless how brief the time, I don’t think any man can truly grasp the extreme vulnerability and sheer terror any woman would feel in your situation. Thank you for sharing your ordeal.

I applaud you for maintaining your composure during this incident because your calm allowed you to provide us with some excellent details regarding the physical appearance of this man.

Kirk and PK thanks again for alerting all the members on this forum about this very troublesome incident. Knowledge is power and I’m sure many women and men in TV are going to get together to discuss and assess practical ways of dealing with serious issues such as the one on this thread. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure.....not only for the residents of TV, but the developer as well.

Annabelle

Well Russ, that’s where “Kirk” made her “mistake”.... she failed to invite him in to join her, so she could report back to all the skeptics on this thread as to whether the man actually made a “mistake!”

I have no doubt (based upon Kirk’s testimony), that the male she saw had every intention of assaulting her. Exactly what type of “attack” is unknown, since he fled, but regardless of whether his intention was a “direct assault” such as “rape” or an “indirect assault” such as “voyeurism” both are considered an “attack” on a woman’s mind, body and soul in spite of what some wish to think and argue.

Annabelle

In regards to the “accidental entry” or “little boy lost” scenario:
One would be required to suspend all measure of logical thinking in order to accept those “excuses” as a plausible explanation for why this healthy young male:
1) entered a woman’s shower room......
2) played with the lights.....
3) heard water running and a woman’s voice alerting him to where he was .......
4) yet he still reached inside the shower curtain.....
5) and only fled after she screamed for help.

While I can understand how someone not paying attention to a sign (drawing) on a restroom door could “accidently” enter the wrong restroom.... and quickly exit upon learning of his "mistake"......

But any man who has entered a woman’s bathroom/dressing room area and doesn’t see any urinals.....yet still proceeds to the showers .... IS UP TO NO GOOD.

****Attention all perverts in TV: the next time you get “lost” on your way home and suddenly find yourself wandering around in a ladies shower room/bathroom ......you now have your “alibi”...... unbelievable as it may sound......there are those who will buy it!

Annabelle

Is locking the doors too much to ask???
 

I'd like to know how many people here get into the shower at home with the front and back doors of the house unlocked!

Probably NONE. So why do you expect users of the sport pools to use the showers there with the doors completely unlocked, with any kind of pervert or released sex offender able to walk right in and grab and assault a woman????

Just WHAT is so "demanding" or "unnecessary" about putting locks on these sport pool shower/dressing room doors from the parking lot and pool deck, that could be opened with a resident's key card or ID card reader?

I'm tired of seeing the mockery in this, and this breach of safety is an embarrassment to our beautiful community.

Gracie,
Since I don’t have the time to visit this forum frequently, I apologize for the lateness of my reply to you and do hope you will overlook the time that has elapsed between your post and this reply.

For the purpose of separating “fact” from “fiction” with respect to the “ shower incident” would it not have been more prudent (on your part) to simply pick up the phone and contact someone in TV who might be in a position to either corroborate or refute the details that were provided in the post rather than (for you) to interrogate the poster (Promiseskept) when in fact she clearly stated she was hoping to find answers on here (TOTV).

Would it not have been more judicious (on your part) to simply wait for the veracity of the incident to be either confirmed or dispelled instead of immediately countering this rumor with an equally serious rumor.......whereby you impugn the character of PK by
insinuating that she is a “stooge” for a “less successful, jealous developer” who is intent on destroying TV?

Gracie, this is not the first time you have introduced this rumor and in my opinion I think this tactic is hurtful, unwarranted and unproductive in the pursuit of truth.

I dare question your loyalty to TV and you are certainly a prolific poster on TOTV. In fact , sometimes I wonder if the pretty lady next to your name is actually Gary Morse in disguise! Seriously though, I do implore you to stop attacking anyone on TOTV who dares to address anything unpleasant (such as a lack of security) in TV.

In one of your posts you implied that those who want to discuss problems in TV are “ranting.” I do hope that was a poor choice of words and does not reflect how you really feel because if you don’t first admit there is a problem (such as a lack of security in the ladies locker rooms) then how can a viable solution be offered and implemented?

In conclusion, I do hope in the future whenever someone introduces a serious subject on this forum that you refrain from the “jealous developer” theory and other innuendos. Regardless of whether one lives in TV (as do you) or is contemplating moving to TV (as am I) let’s do try to keep in mind that we all want a safe place in which to reside.

I certainly mean no disrespect and offer the following advice as constructive criticism when I say, Gracie you can only cry wolf so many times before people stop taking you seriously.

Annabelle

Since this post was directed to me I have this to say:

Your honor,
I object to Boogie’s statement on the grounds that it is incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial to the discussion of this thread .

Furthermore, it is tasteless, devoid of any semblance of propriety, not to mention just plain dumb!

Annabelle
(Sorry Boogie, but you asked for it!!!)

Annabelle, we need to get to know each other. Life is way too short to ..........well you know.

Annabelle, You really are a piece of work! There are lots of folks on TOTV I'd like to meet some day. ... You are NOT one of them! Not sure what your agenda is, but your posts have gotten very personal.


OK.... Now you can hammer me too. I would consider it an honor to be in the same company as Russ, Bogie and Gracie.

Sounds like a wee bit of "my way or the highway" presentation
 

of subject matter...no other thoughts, opinions, possibilities, interpretations or conclusions allowed.
The first amendment contains no gaging for being right or wrong...last time I checked.

btk

I agree! Surely we can act like grownups and allow people to post their opinions even though we may not agree with them. There is a difference between criticizing someone's post and criticizing the person who wrote it.

Duh! That's why I asked her what her heart (read: gut) was telling her. I agree with MEMason on this one.