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raynan 04-19-2014 09:23 PM

WESH2 and Channel 9 both reporting from there live on the 10 o'clock news. I'm sure it will be on again at 11.

graciegirl 04-20-2014 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dodaneodwyer (Post 864783)
Yikes!


I am bumping this thread to bring it to the top for Senior Citizen. I think she missed it and wasn't aware we all were aware of this very sad thing. Both homeowners are snowbirds and aren't here right now so thankfully they are not displaced.


Hopefully the caravan of cement trucks going on through the night is helping to remedy this.

senior citizen 04-20-2014 06:41 AM

A little bit of knowledge is frightening
 
This latest sink hole (which I posted a similar pic of earlier on the other sink hole thread, earlier this morning) is extremely frightening, to say the least. It's not a little mud puddle. It's nothing to pooh pooh over......esp. when people have invested so much money into their homes.......not to mention, it is not good for our own peace of mind and mental health...........


I keep thinking of that poor man in Brandon, Florida (near Tampa) who was swallowed up while sleeping, last year........so "Who knows for sure if it cannot happen under one's home".......or not. We are not God. A sink hole swallowed him up, bed and all and they could not reach him. The nightmare which his family went through is unimaginable.

I think it is good that people post the names of the villages where they have occurred in the past.........ditto for the television news and the major Florida newspapers.


It's actually all over the internet..........so no big secret, except to those of us out of state who have only heard about them in the last several years.


Prior to that, we had never ever heard of sinkholes..........but then we only vacationed on the coasts except for Disney World......and even Orlando had a super big one last year, whereby the resort was literally collapsing into the ground due to a major sinkhole.

Prospective home buyers have a "need to know" and disclosure should be made, not hidden in the dark shadows of secrecy.........to protect whom?


It is scary, to say the least. If you keep looking, they've happened all over Florida except on the barrier islands.............but for the most part, they are prevalent in CENTRAL FLORIDA out to the western part of the state. Buyer beware. At our age, who needs home damage, no matter how small it might look.............it's not a good sign of what's going on under the earth.

After seeing the landslides of late out west..........perhaps it just makes some of us jittery............and intelligent enough to want to check it out.......not negative or having our heads in the sand. We are too old for that. Too wise and too old to just want a peaceful existence in our older years. Who needs the excitement of having the earth beneath your home.......or to the side of your home........or to the front of your home, or back of your home, swallowed up???


http://www.ccfj.net/HOAvillsinkhole.htm


Click hyperlink above for a past sinkhole; yes, a dozen years ago, but still relevant to those of us wanting to buy a used home. Also read the one below this article......."Sinkholes plague the villages"...its the link at the bottom of the page (of above hyperlink). You can find others, and thus know whereabouts they have occurred. All of the major newspapers and t.v. channels covered the ones in the past as well as the ones happening currently.
 

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2014 07:06 AM

If sinkholes are a major concern to folks that are considering a move to Florida, perhaps they should just give up on that idea. Every area of the country has something to be fearful of. You cannot worry about something that you cannot control.

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2014 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 865003)
This latest sink hole (which I posted a similar pic of earlier on the other sink hole thread, earlier this morning) is extremely frightening, to say the least. It's not a little mud puddle. It's nothing to pooh pooh over......esp. when people have invested so much money into their homes.......not to mention, it is not good for our own peace of mind and mental health...........


I keep thinking of that poor man in Brandon, Florida (near Tampa) who was swallowed up while sleeping, last year........so "Who knows for sure if it cannot happen under one's home".......or not. We are not God. A sink hole swallowed him up, bed and all and they could not reach him. The nightmare which his family went through is unimaginable.

I think it is good that people post the names of the villages where they have occurred in the past.........ditto for the television news and the major Florida newspapers.


It's actually all over the internet..........so no big secret, except to those of us out of state who have only heard about them in the last several years.


Prior to that, we had never ever heard of sinkholes..........but then we only vacationed on the coasts except for Disney World......and even Orlando had a super big one last year, whereby the resort was literally collapsing into the ground due to a major sinkhole.

Prospective home buyers have a "need to know" and disclosure should be made, not hidden in the dark shadows of secrecy.........to protect whom?


It is scary, to say the least. If you keep looking, they've happened all over Florida except on the barrier islands.............but for the most part, they are prevalent in CENTRAL FLORIDA out to the western part of the state. Buyer beware. At our age, who needs home damage, no matter how small it might look.............it's not a good sign of what's going on under the earth.

After seeing the landslides of late out west..........perhaps it just makes some of us jittery............and intelligent enough to want to check it out.......not negative or having our heads in the sand. We are too old for that. Too wise and too old to just want a peaceful existence in our older years. Who needs the excitement of having the earth beneath your home.......or to the side of your home........or to the front of your home, or back of your home, swallowed up???


http://www.ccfj.net/HOAvillsinkhole.htm


Click hyperlink above for a past sinkhole; yes, a dozen years ago, but still relevant to those of us wanting to buy a used home. Also read the one below this article......."Sinkholes plague the villages"...its the link at the bottom of the page (of above hyperlink). You can find others, and thus know whereabouts they have occurred. All of the major newspapers and t.v. channels covered the ones in the past as well as the ones happening currently.
 

You forgot to mention the Tsunami in Japan and the three other recent tsunami warning. Also the avalanche on Mt Everest. And.............

raynan 04-20-2014 07:25 AM

They can happen anywhere. Just before we moved here from MA (we lived on the RI border) there was a big one that swallowed up part of a strip mall. I remember the drugstore was on the end and the first to sink. It was after a major rainstorm.

graciegirl 04-20-2014 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 865003)
This latest sink hole (which I posted a similar pic of earlier on the other sink hole thread, earlier this morning) is extremely frightening, to say the least. It's not a little mud puddle. It's nothing to pooh pooh over......esp. when people have invested so much money into their homes.......not to mention, it is not good for our own peace of mind and mental health...........


I keep thinking of that poor man in Brandon, Florida (near Tampa) who was swallowed up while sleeping, last year........so "Who knows for sure if it cannot happen under one's home".......or not. We are not God. A sink hole swallowed him up, bed and all and they could not reach him. The nightmare which his family went through is unimaginable.

I think it is good that people post the names of the villages where they have occurred in the past.........ditto for the television news and the major Florida newspapers.


It's actually all over the internet..........so no big secret, except to those of us out of state who have only heard about them in the last several years.


Prior to that, we had never ever heard of sinkholes..........but then we only vacationed on the coasts except for Disney World......and even Orlando had a super big one last year, whereby the resort was literally collapsing into the ground due to a major sinkhole.

Prospective home buyers have a "need to know" and disclosure should be made, not hidden in the dark shadows of secrecy.........to protect whom?


It is scary, to say the least. If you keep looking, they've happened all over Florida except on the barrier islands.............but for the most part, they are prevalent in CENTRAL FLORIDA out to the western part of the state. Buyer beware. At our age, who needs home damage, no matter how small it might look.............it's not a good sign of what's going on under the earth.

After seeing the landslides of late out west..........perhaps it just makes some of us jittery............and intelligent enough to want to check it out.......not negative or having our heads in the sand. We are too old for that. Too wise and too old to just want a peaceful existence in our older years. Who needs the excitement of having the earth beneath your home.......or to the side of your home........or to the front of your home, or back of your home, swallowed up???


http://www.ccfj.net/HOAvillsinkhole.htm


Click hyperlink above for a past sinkhole; yes, a dozen years ago, but still relevant to those of us wanting to buy a used home. Also read the one below this article......."Sinkholes plague the villages"...its the link at the bottom of the page (of above hyperlink). You can find others, and thus know whereabouts they have occurred. All of the major newspapers and t.v. channels covered the ones in the past as well as the ones happening currently.
 



This morning's Daily Sun Front page

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2014 07:32 AM

I guess we can eliminate the conspiracy theory.

billethkid 04-20-2014 07:49 AM

I will take living in FL with sinkholes and hurricanes any day over living in California with earthquakes waiting for the "big one".

patty24 04-20-2014 08:01 AM

sinkhole
 
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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 864772)
Can someone post a pic?

Just google sinkholes latest news in The villages-----Lots of info , pictures and video's

asianthree 04-20-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 865016)
If sinkholes are a major concern to folks that are considering a move to Florida, perhaps they should just give up on that idea. Every area of the country has something to be fearful of. You cannot worry about something that you cannot control.

So true Bogie

Kahuna32162 04-20-2014 08:09 AM

The Good News is that they are reporting that the mixture of sand and asphalt, 40 trucks worth, that was poured into the hole has stabilized the homes and they should be to shore up the foundations properly on Monday.

Villageshooter 04-20-2014 08:15 AM

will be some real bargins on homes for sale in that area! home values will plumett in that area till the next big sinkhole happens! last summer they almost lost the bridge that goes over lake sumpter to a sinhole on the south end!

Villageshooter 04-20-2014 08:24 AM

so sad
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 865024)
This morning's Daily Sun Front page

all this is so sad we come here to live out our golden years and this is a huge life threating issue for us! i still love it here! at least this cant be blamed on the morris family!

alwann 04-20-2014 08:28 AM

Who pays for filling the sink hole? I know homeowners insurance covers catastrophic loss due to sinkhole, but what about all those truck loads of concrete being dumped into this new hole. Who pays for that?

Cedwards38 04-20-2014 08:32 AM

Don't most, if not all HO policies cover sinkhole damage to the structure?

buggyone 04-20-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageshooter (Post 865063)
all this is so sad we come here to live out our golden years and this is a huge life threating issue for us! i still love it here! at least this cant be blamed on the morris family!

Where is Lake SUMPTER and who is the MORRIS family?

perrjojo 04-20-2014 08:54 AM

There was recently a large sink hole in Kentucky that swallowed up a large number of Corvettes in the Covette Mueseum. Sink holes are more preveloent in Florida but can happen anywhere. Of course we have hurricanes and sink holes here but other areas have them as well. I don't think it has ever been a secret that our area is prone to sink holes. We first visited here in 2000 and it was on the news about 2 homes damaged in Lady Lake by a sink hole.
Other areas have earth quakes, tornados, floods, etc, landslides, etc. your safety cannot be guaranteed in any home because there are fires, gas leaks, carbon monoxide, etc. I do not choose to put my head in the sand but I also do not choose to live life in perpetual fear of some unknow catastrophe.

Topspinmo 04-20-2014 09:12 AM

sink hole in Kentucky that swallowed up a large number of Corvettes in the Covette Mueseum"
Yes, but if I remember correctly they were man made (city water main leaking) and just like the Big one in Central America I think what determined that one.

Florida sinkholes IMO are natural disaster's due to the makeup of the earth under Florida just like Hurricane's, Hail, wind, wild fires, tornado's IMO.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-20-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 864787)
Wonder if it is near the retention pond on Chalmer Terrace. They often are.

No, it's further down the street near the green of the golf hole that runs behind the homes.

samhass 04-20-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageshooter (Post 865055)
will be some real bargins on homes for sale in that area! home values will plumett in that area till the next big sinkhole happens! last summer they almost lost the bridge that goes over lake sumpter to a sinhole on the south end!

Is there any proof that a sinkhole occurred under or around the bridge that crosses Lake Sumter?

Cathy H 04-20-2014 10:01 AM

old sinkhole
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 864747)
When you get a lot of rain it happens. Did it harm the home?

The Easter sunday edition of our local Sun describes a sinkhole in the 2000 block of Chalmer Terrace in TV as being under repair for the past 3 weeks that just opened up some more and needs more repair (with a photo of a big hole). But, not to worry, the homeowners are snowbirds (gone away) and no life was threatened.
Oh, that darned rain again.

Cathy H 04-20-2014 10:08 AM

The Easter sunday copy of our daily sun local paper has a front page article about sink holes and says that a sinkhole in the 2000 block of chalmer terrace in TV had been under repair for the past 3 weeks but just got bigger, but homeowners are apparently snowbirds, not home when it sank, and no lives lost.
Oh, that darned rain again.

NottaVillager 04-20-2014 10:24 AM

This news has travelled VERY fast. Last night I got an email from a good friend in upstate NY asking me if we lived anywhere near this. He had seen it on a story on one of his local TV stations. This is going to throw a great big wrench in The Villages Myth-Making Machine.

graciegirl 04-20-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 865146)
This news has travelled VERY fast. Last night I got an email from a good friend in upstate NY asking me if we lived anywhere near this. He had seen it on a story on one of his local TV stations. This is going to throw a great big wrench in The Villages Myth-Making Machine.



Myth-Making Machine?
Gary Morse isn't in charge of natural disasters.


West of us is even worse for sinkholes. Tampa is the worst. See here?
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...p1954-2004.jpg

janmcn 04-20-2014 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samhass (Post 865126)
Is there any proof that a sinkhole occurred under or around the bridge that crosses Lake Sumter?


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...sinking-34024/

This was discussed on this forum back in 2010. There are other threads on the subject, just do a search.

Villageshooter 04-20-2014 10:45 AM

sinkhole
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 865146)
This news has travelled VERY fast. Last night I got an email from a good friend in upstate NY asking me if we lived anywhere near this. He had seen it on a story on one of his local TV stations. This is going to throw a great big wrench in The Villages Myth-Making Machine.

the myth-making machine was so far ahead of this they were on top of it 3weeks before they told us about it! they can see into the future! i just wish they could tell me what the lotto number are going to be tonite!

NoMoSno 04-20-2014 10:53 AM

If you believe this article, South Florida will be an island. :22yikes:
Maybe we will have waterfront property soon.

Massive Sinkhole Threatens to Rip Florida in Half*|*GlossyNews.com

Cathy H 04-20-2014 11:07 AM

The sink hole in he 2000 block of Chalmers terrace in V was under repair for 3 weeks by a pro firm but it opened up again.
Oh, that darned rain.

Steve9930 04-20-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 864807)
For the purpose of homeowner insurance - the sudden collapse of the ground like what happened at Buttonwood is covered. The "sinkhole coverage" is for the very gradual sinking of the ground that will put small cracks in walls, floors, etc and these will continue growing into larger and larger cracks. Sinkhole insurance is harder to find and has a high deductible. Catastrophic ground collapse is routinely covered and usually has the standard deductible. The foundation of the house must be compromised to pay a claim.

Once the house is declared uninhabitable by the local building authority then a Catastrophic Ground Collapse Claim will be issued. I would believe from he pictures I saw that both houses are going to qualify. What I'm not clear on in the insurance side is whether the Insurance Company pays to repair or is the House Condemned and they issue you a check? Even if you fixed the problem how could you ever believe you could sell the home down the road?

Steve9930 04-20-2014 12:31 PM

Sink Holes are just part of living in Florida. They can happen anywhere at anytime. More so after large amounts of rain. The Lime Stone under the sand we are living on gets soft and collapses into the aquifer below. Just like sand in a hour glass afer that.

samhass 04-20-2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 865153)
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...sinking-34024/

This was discussed on this forum back in 2010. There are other threads on the subject, just do a search.

It may have been discussed many times. I am asking if anyone has proof that a sinkhole existed in that particular spot. If so, can you please provide a link?

TVMayor 04-20-2014 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villageshooter (Post 865156)
the myth-making machine was so far ahead of this they were on top of it 3weeks before they told us about it! they can see into the future! i just wish they could tell me what the lotto number are going to be tonite!

For lotto numbers I would suggest you look in the fortune cookies at the Evergreen Buffet.

GatorFan 04-20-2014 02:16 PM

No one knows or can predict when a sinkhole or catastrophic ground collapse will occur. It can happen anywhere.

bimmertl 04-20-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 865211)
Once the house is declared uninhabitable by the local building authority then a Catastrophic Ground Collapse Claim will be issued. I would believe from he pictures I saw that both houses are going to qualify. What I'm not clear on in the insurance side is whether the Insurance Company pays to repair or is the House Condemned and they issue you a check? Even if you fixed the problem how could you ever believe you could sell the home down the road?

No condemnation.

Villages sinkhole filled - Orlando Sentinel

janmcn 04-20-2014 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 865211)
Once the house is declared uninhabitable by the local building authority then a Catastrophic Ground Collapse Claim will be issued. I would believe from he pictures I saw that both houses are going to qualify. What I'm not clear on in the insurance side is whether the Insurance Company pays to repair or is the House Condemned and they issue you a check? Even if you fixed the problem how could you ever believe you could sell the home down the road?


I must be missing something, but I don't see a scratch on either house. A catastrophic ground collapse occurs when a house falls into the sinkhole, which is what happened in Seffner when that unfortunate young man was sucked right out of his bed into the hole and his house plus the two adjacent houses were torn down.

Somebody's insurance company just paid tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to have that hole filled. It's very doubtful they would turn around and pay another couple hundred thousand plus for the house and have it demolished and hauled away.

Insurance companies in Florida don't like paying money on claims. In fact, Citizens, the state run insurance, spent more money last year fighting claims than they did paying claims.

jpharmat 04-20-2014 04:05 PM

Thoughts go out to those involved. It must be so scary to have to go through something like this. Hope the involved families have some support.

NottaVillager 04-20-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 865152)
Myth-Making Machine?
Gary Morse isn't in charge of natural disasters.


West of us is even worse for sinkholes. Tampa is the worst. See here?
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...p1954-2004.jpg

No he's not. But when a story like this gets on the national news wires (which it has) that is NOT good news for TV PR Machine. It will have to go into overdrive to overcome the media meme that TV is not a safe place to live.

raynan 04-20-2014 04:33 PM

If you start eliminating all the areas that have natural disasters there's not many other places to go. It's how the repair is handled (speed and quality) that is more important to someone looking to buy (in my opinion).

Bogie Shooter 04-20-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 865300)
No he's not. But when a story like this gets on the national news wires (which it has) that is NOT good news for TV PR Machine. It will have to go into overdrive to overcome the media meme that TV is not a safe place to live.

No need to worry......................


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