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Steve9930 04-20-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 865279)
I must be missing something, but I don't see a scratch on either house. A catastrophic ground collapse occurs when a house falls into the sinkhole, which is what happened in Seffner when that unfortunate young man was sucked right out of his bed into the hole and his house plus the two adjacent houses were torn down.

Somebody's insurance company just paid tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to have that hole filled. It's very doubtful they would turn around and pay another couple hundred thousand plus for the house and have it demolished and hauled away.

Insurance companies in Florida don't like paying money on claims. In fact, Citizens, the state run insurance, spent more money last year fighting claims than they did paying claims.

I went back and read my home owners policy. It basically states to be covered under the Catastrophic Ground Collapse the foundation of the home needs to be compromised to the point where the local authorities deem the house uninhabitable. What is amazing in the photo is the portion of the driveway with nothing under the driveway slab and its still intact. I hope I never have to deal with something such as what I see in the pictures.

senior citizen 04-20-2014 07:36 PM

David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News
 
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590


David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News, commented on the sinkhole in The Villages, Florida.


However......he did not name The Villages.....it was just called "a suburb outside of Orlando."


Same photos as were posted earlier for The Villages sinkhole.


See above hyperlink for "Sinkhole Stunner in Florida" video from ABC Sunday evening news....2 hours ago.

Let the short commercial run first.


tommy steam 04-20-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 865048)
The Good News is that they are reporting that the mixture of sand and asphalt, 40 trucks worth, that was poured into the hole has stabilized the homes and they should be to shore up the foundations properly on Monday.

I guess the insurance will cover it ,but I wonder what it is costing to do something like that?

Barefoot 04-20-2014 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NottaVillager (Post 865300)
.... when a story like this gets on the national news wires (which it has) that is NOT good news for TV PR Machine. It will have to go into overdrive to overcome the media meme that TV is not a safe place to live.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 865016)
If sinkholes are a major concern to folks that are considering a move to Florida, perhaps they should just give up on that idea. Every area of the country has something to be fearful of. You cannot worry about something that you cannot control.

I feel very sorry for the families involved in the Buttonwood sinkhole.

However the sky is not falling.
The State of Florida (and particularly The Villages) will continue to be a sought-after destination by retirees.

Neal2tire 04-20-2014 11:43 PM

We were concerned when we were buying in Buttonwood a few years back so I flew my in laws in for a few days and asked my mother in law to stand on the lawn of the house we were looking at. After a few minutes of her jumping up and down I felt the chance of anything collapsing in the future was slim to none.
NG

2BNTV 04-20-2014 11:52 PM

In today's Daily Sun, (Sunday),, affecting two homeowners.

In the process, of fixing it! Paper stated it was not a dangerous one, and could be repair easily.

If it was me, I would move, but they still have to disclose, there was a sinkhole.

gamby 04-21-2014 12:52 AM

reply
 
Insurance does not cover the lot, only the dwelling so if your house is totaled you only get ins payment for the house.

I noticed that sink holes that develop on houses are at the corners where the roof drains empty , ( just caught my attention ).

DougB 04-21-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal2tire (Post 865478)
We were concerned when we were buying in Buttonwood a few years back so I flew my in laws in for a few days and asked my mother in law to stand on the lawn of the house we were looking at. After a few minutes of her jumping up and down I felt the chance of anything collapsing in the future was slim to none.
NG

I guess that explains the tremors I felt.

tucson 04-21-2014 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 865375)
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590


David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News, commented on the sinkhole in The Villages, Florida.


However......he did not name The Villages.....it was just called "a suburb outside of Orlando."


Same photos as were posted earlier for The Villages sinkhole.


See above hyperlink for "Sinkhole Stunner in Florida" video from ABC Sunday evening news....2 hours ago.

Let the short commercial run first.


The same thing happened when the major tornado hit the Villages in 2007 and demolished many homes here. The major news channels mentioned Lady Lake and concentrated on the news story there, omitted The Villages from the story.... also heard Katie Couric who was working for NBC then, wasn't allowed to do come here to film & do a story....

senior citizen 04-21-2014 06:14 AM

I can't even find a word to express what I'm feeling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tucson (Post 865505)
The same thing happened when the major tornado hit the Villages in 2007 and demolished many homes here. The major news channels mentioned Lady Lake and concentrated on the news story there, omitted The Villages from the story.... also heard Katie Couric who was working for NBC then, wasn't allowed to do come here to film & do a story....


Actually, I can't even find a word to express what I'm feeling about this suppression of the true and total news. Personally, I do not consider TV a "suburb" of Orlando. It was quite a drive from the airport, actually.

I guess everyone wants to keep a "pristine" image of their beloved hometown, however, smart folks catch on really fast as the truth is uncovered and shared.

God only knows our Governor let it "all hang out" about the heroin epidemic in our state, once considered "God's Country". Our news even made the New York Times.

People will make their own educated decisions, one way or another.
Especially those who've lived here 50 years or more and know what it
used to be...........before the city gangs came up to sell their drugs.

Our problem is surmountable thanks to the drug task force and irate stance of our people who do not want these gangs coming up to our state......however, MOTHER NATURE IS ANOTHER STORY. Difficult to deal with natural disasters..........and I include sinkholes in natural disaster category. Very sad scenario for the homeowner, even with adequate insurance. Who would want to buy that home and that property? WE were looking for a gently used home, if truth be told.

Thanks for sharing your info.

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2014 06:30 AM

[QUOTE=senior citizen;865517]Actually, I can't even find a word to express what I'm feeling about this suppression of the true and total news. Personally, I do not consider TV a "suburb" of Orlando. It was quite a drive from the airport, actually.


QUOTE]

I think you should take this up with David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News. Ask them about the suppression. Report back and let us know.

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2014 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 865517)
Actually, I can't even find a word to express what I'm feeling about this suppression of the true and total news. Personally, I do not consider TV a "suburb" of Orlando. It was quite a drive from the airport, actually.

I guess everyone wants to keep a "pristine" image of their beloved hometown, however, smart folks catch on really fast as the truth is uncovered and shared.

God only knows our Governor let it "all hang out" about the heroin epidemic in our state, once considered "God's Country". Our news even made the New York Times.

People will make their own educated decisions, one way or another.
Especially those who've lived here 50 years or more and know what it
used to be...........before the city gangs came up to sell their drugs.

Our problem is surmountable thanks to the drug task force and irate stance of our people who do not want these gangs coming up to our state......however, MOTHER NATURE IS ANOTHER STORY. Difficult to deal with natural disasters..........and I include sinkholes in natural disaster category. Very sad scenario for the homeowner, even with adequate insurance. Who would want to buy that home and that property? WE were looking for a gently used home, if truth be told.

Thanks for sharing your info.

Have you stopped looking just because of this sinkhole?

kagney123 04-21-2014 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal2tire (Post 865478)
We were concerned when we were buying in Buttonwood a few years back so I flew my in laws in for a few days and asked my mother in law to stand on the lawn of the house we were looking at. After a few minutes of her jumping up and down I felt the chance of anything collapsing in the future was slim to none.
NG

LoL refreshing humor thanks for the giggle

graciegirl 04-21-2014 08:12 AM

UN-believable!!!
 
Ya wanta see something totally misleading??? See this article and where in the heck did they get this picture? I read it three times and the first paragraph made it look as if it fell in, again. It was dated yesterday.


You can't believe everything you read. Some journalists are much more sensational than others. WOW.


Florida Sinkhole Swallows Family Yard, Driveway Hours After It Was Completely Filled In [+VIDEO] : News : TravelersToday

BobnBev 04-21-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tucson (Post 865505)
The same thing happened when the major tornado hit the Villages in 2007 and demolished many homes here. The major news channels mentioned Lady Lake and concentrated on the news story there, omitted The Villages from the story.... also heard Katie Couric who was working for NBC then, wasn't allowed to do come here to film & do a story....

$$$$$$$$$$Money Talks$$$$$$$$$$

No bad publicity about our bubble.:boom:chilout

graciegirl 04-21-2014 08:59 AM

Tucson ;"The same thing happened when the major tornado hit the Villages in 2007 and demolished many homes here. The major news channels mentioned Lady Lake and concentrated on the news story there, omitted The Villages from the story.... also heard Katie Couric who was working for NBC then, wasn't allowed to do come here to film & do a story" Unquote
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How is gonna stop the press? The streets belong to the public.


I think the real reason is that STILL a lot of people don't know where we ARE. Read national news on this sinkhole that says we are a suburb of Orlando. THEY WISH. We are now more populous than Ocala and Palm Beach but still demographers don't know that. No one can believe the growth here in the last FIVE years. We are on the map, but we aren't really on the map.


The Morses don't need to surpress anything for fear of losing sales. Those lots not yet graded in the new area are already SOLD in the sense that people are committed to live here and waiting to buy. Someone told me that just last week they were seventh in line to buy a brand new villa.



We can handle bad publicity. Many of us love this place for no reason other than it is loveable and it is our home. We are Villages STRONG.

Bump. I quoted Bob and Bev and meant to quote Tucson. Alright. alright I am waaaaaaaaay too defensive of this place. Sorry

Senior, I live here and naturally love this place. How could you not?

Steve9930 04-21-2014 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 865394)
I guess the insurance will cover it ,but I wonder what it is costing to do something like that?

I'm guessing at $500 per truck load times 40 trucks = $20, 000 in material alone. Maybe more maybe less?? Plus wages for how many people, repair to the foundation, driveway, and underground piping that I saw? Not a cheap Date for sure! I went through the internet and tried to find an average cost for one of these repairs. The best guess on average, depending on the hole involved, I saw a quote between $25k to $50K. But it could go into 6 figures. The best repair is grout with under pinning of the foundation. I also saw where you have to disclose the fact that there was a sinkhole and the type of repair when you sell the home. I hope I never have to find out how this all plays out.

dewilson58 04-21-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 865611)
How is gonna stop the press? The streets belong to the public. You know I like you guys to pieces, but am a little doubtful of that.


I think the real reason is that STILL a lot of people don't know where we ARE. Read national news on this sinkhole that says we are a suburb of Orlando. THEY WISH. We are now more populous than Ocala and Palm Beach but still demographers don't know that. No one can believe the growth here in the last FIVE years. We are on the map, but we aren't really on the map.


The Morses don't need to surpress anything for fear of losing sales. Those lots not yet graded in the new area are already SOLD in the sense that people are committed to live here and waiting to buy. Someone told me that just last week they were seventh in line to buy a brand new villa.



We can handle bad publicity. Many of us love this place for no reason other than it is loveable and it is our home. We are Villages STRONG.


Don't be mad. I didn't mean to offend you.


Yep, Yep, Yep.

I feel for those involved.

Feel good stories just don't sell papers and commercials.

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2014 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 865599)
$$$$$$$$$$Money Talks$$$$$$$$$$

No bad publicity about our bubble.:boom:chilout

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 865611)
How is gonna stop the press? The streets belong to the public. You know I like you guys to pieces, but am a little doubtful of that.


I think the real reason is that STILL a lot of people don't know where we ARE. Read national news on this sinkhole that says we are a suburb of Orlando. THEY WISH. We are now more populous than Ocala and Palm Beach but still demographers don't know that. No one can believe the growth here in the last FIVE years. We are on the map, but we aren't really on the map.


The Morses don't need to surpress anything for fear of losing sales. Those lots not yet graded in the new area are already SOLD in the sense that people are committed to live here and waiting to buy. Someone told me that just last week they were seventh in line to buy a brand new villa.



We can handle bad publicity. Many of us love this place for no reason other than it is loveable and it is our home. We are Villages STRONG.


Don't be mad. I didn't mean to offend you.

I don't see how they could be offended.

Mr.Big 04-21-2014 09:25 AM

Sink Holes
 
As a regular winter renter in The Villages, I can also say that I have seen sink holes here in East Tennessee, and actually around some upscale patio homes. If a big ole sink hole gets me down there in the winter, well, I will still be happy. I love The Villages in the winter! See you in January 2015; thats if a tornado does not get me up here in Tennessee!:D

Tennisnut 04-21-2014 09:35 AM

Hopefully no one is too worried if these two homes disappear since, as of today, The Villages has 489 new homes for sale!

e-flyer 04-21-2014 09:42 AM

It's sad that when you go to sell a house that has had sink hole remediation, you might have a hard time selling it, and most likely get less than the market value if it does sell. There is a new house north of us that still hasn't sold even discounted $15K+ because it had a sink hole in the yard. In my mind, the ground the house sits on is probably more stable now that the sink is filled, and foundation pinned verses than other areas in TV. I feel for the folks who were unfortunate enough to have this event happen.

perrjojo 04-21-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 865611)
Tucson ;"The same thing happened when the major tornado hit the Villages in 2007 and demolished many homes here. The major news channels mentioned Lady Lake and concentrated on the news story there, omitted The Villages from the story.... also heard Katie Couric who was working for NBC then, wasn't allowed to do come here to film & do a story" Unquote
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How is gonna stop the press? The streets belong to the public.


I think the real reason is that STILL a lot of people don't know where we ARE. Read national news on this sinkhole that says we are a suburb of Orlando. THEY WISH. We are now more populous than Ocala and Palm Beach but still demographers don't know that. No one can believe the growth here in the last FIVE years. We are on the map, but we aren't [B][U]really on

The Morses don't need to surpress anything for fear of losing sales. Those lots not yet graded in the new area are already SOLD in the sense that people are committed to live here and waiting to buy. Someone told me that just last week they were seventh in line to buy a brand new villa.


We can handle bad publicity. Many of us love this place for no reason other than it is loveable and it is our home. We are Villages STRONG.

Bump. I quoted Bob and Bev and meant to quote Tucson. Alright. alright I am waaaaaaaaay too defensive of this place. Sorry

Senior, I live here and naturally love this place. How could you not?

Gracie, you are so correct that most of the world doesn't know where The Villages is. I used to live in Arlington, Texas which is midway between Dallas and Ft.Worth. Arlington is home to the Dallas Cowboys stadium and the Texas Rangers Ball Park. For years the radio and TV sports announcers always referd to them playing in Dallas. It really did peeve us folks in Arlington after we paid so much tax money to get name recognition for our city. It's not news suppression, it's lazy reporters. :pepper2::pepper2:

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by e-flyer (Post 865647)
It's sad that when you go to sell a house that has had sink hole remediation, you might have a hard time selling it, and most likely get less than the market value if it does sell. There is a new house north of us that still hasn't sold even discounted $15K+ because it had a sink hole in the yard. In my mind, the ground the house sits on is probably more stable now that the sink is filled, and foundation pinned verses than other areas in TV. I feel for the folks who were unfortunate enough to have this event happen.

The company doing the work on the latest sinkhole, Helicon, backs up their work with a warranty.
We Guarantee Our Work With a Firm Foundation Warranty » Helicon Foundation Repair of Tampa

perrjojo 04-21-2014 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Big (Post 865632)
As a regular winter renter in The Villages, I can also say that I have seen sink holes here in East Tennessee, and actually around some upscale patio homes. If a big ole sink hole gets me down there in the winter, well, I will still be happy. I love The Villages in the winter! See you in January 2015; thats if a tornado does not get me up here in Tennessee!:D

I'm looking forward to your visit.:clap2:

janmcn 04-21-2014 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-flyer (Post 865647)
It's sad that when you go to sell a house that has had sink hole remediation, you might have a hard time selling it, and most likely get less than the market value if it does sell. There is a new house north of us that still hasn't sold even discounted $15K+ because it had a sink hole in the yard. In my mind, the ground the house sits on is probably more stable now that the sink is filled, and foundation pinned verses than other areas in TV. I feel for the folks who were unfortunate enough to have this event happen.


It would be interesting to find out if a buyer could get sinkhole insurance on this house which already had some sinkhole activity. It sounds like a really good deal. Maybe that's why nobody is buying it. People are afraid they'll see their entire investment sink into the ground.

eweissenbach 04-21-2014 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-flyer (Post 865647)
It's sad that when you go to sell a house that has had sink hole remediation, you might have a hard time selling it, and most likely get less than the market value if it does sell. There is a new house north of us that still hasn't sold even discounted $15K+ because it had a sink hole in the yard. In my mind, the ground the house sits on is probably more stable now that the sink is filled, and foundation pinned verses than other areas in TV. I feel for the folks who were unfortunate enough to have this event happen.

Our friends looked at that new home, and were VERY interested....until their agent Tony Trussler disclosed that it had a repaired sinkhole, and insurance would likely be expensive. There was another seemingly good buy new home which also had a repaired sinkhole. I think that these homes are probably less likely to have a problem than any other in the area, but still hard to pull the trigger on a purchase of a home with proven sinkhole problems.

Kelsie52 04-21-2014 12:35 PM

We live right next door to this home ..It was a little scarrrrry for several hours . ---Speaking to the engineers working on the repair --they tell us that this home will never have to worry about sinkhole again --it will be secure

They have already poured over 1000 yards of cement around the home ..

we also feel blessed we didnt buy that lot !!!!!

mcgivney.Jim@gmail.com 04-21-2014 01:36 PM

Sink Hole
 
Feed the sink hole more Corvettes.

gomoho 04-21-2014 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelsie52 (Post 865706)
We live right next door to this home ..It was a little scarrrrry for several hours . ---Speaking to the engineers working on the repair --they tell us that this home will never have to worry about sinkhole again --it will be secure

They have already poured over 1000 yards of cement around the home ..

we also feel blessed we didnt buy that lot !!!!!

I think that sounds good, but what I don't understand is how the concrete they poured and the foundation they have supported will help the house if a sinkhole occurs in the rear of the property. Did they secure the home all the way around or just the area where the sink hole is?

TVMayor 04-21-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

this home will never have to worry about sinkhole again --it will be secure
So what happens if the house is 100% unharmed, windows not broken and it rests at the bottom of a 70 foot deep hole with a 1000 yard cement cylinder lying beside it on its side like an empty beer can?

chuckinca 04-21-2014 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelsie52 (Post 865706)
We live right next door to this home ..It was a little scarrrrry for several hours . ---Speaking to the engineers working on the repair --they tell us that this home will never have to worry about sinkhole again --it will be secure

They have already poured over 1000 yards of cement around the home ..

we also feel blessed we didnt buy that lot !!!!!



1000 cubic yards of light weight concrete delivered, pumped and placed:

$200/CY +/-

Chuck
retired concrete estimator

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janmcn 04-21-2014 04:01 PM

According to The Villages on-line news, Helicon Property Restoration President Jay Silver said 400 cubic yards of grout were used to fill the 60 feet deep by 60 feet wide sinkhole at a cost of between $200,000 and $300,000. The total bill will be paid 100% by the homeowner's property insurance.

Read the article on-line on their website.

gomoho 04-21-2014 04:48 PM

OMG - soon this will be worse than hurricane insurance!!!

tommy steam 04-21-2014 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 865677)
Our friends looked at that new home, and were VERY interested....until their agent Tony Trussler disclosed that it had a repaired sinkhole, and insurance would likely be expensive. There was another seemingly good buy new home which also had a repaired sinkhole. I think that these homes are probably less likely to have a problem than any other in the area, but still hard to pull the trigger on a purchase of a home with proven sinkhole problems.

With so many new and pre owned homes in the villages why would you choose one that had sink hole repair. My thoughts were that the ground under it was probably more stable after the repair, but if you had to sell the home it might be difficult. I don't want to gamble with 300k.

EnglishJW 04-21-2014 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 865648)
Gracie, you are so correct that most of the world doesn't know where The Villages is. I used to live in Arlington, Texas which is midway between Dallas and Ft.Worth. Arlington is home to the Dallas Cowboys stadium and the Texas Rangers Ball Park. For years the radio and TV sports announcers always referd to them playing in Dallas. It really did peeve us folks in Arlington after we paid so much tax money to get name recognition for our city. It's not news suppression, it's lazy reporters. :pepper2::pepper2:

I hear you. We live in New Jersey - home of the New YORK Giants & New YORK Jets.

perrjojo 04-21-2014 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishJW (Post 865833)
I hear you. We live in New Jersey - home of the New YORK Giants & New YORK Jets.

Well, there you go! I didn't know that. I guess Arlington is not discriminated against. As the say, if it's on the internet , it must be true. Bonjour!

Joking aside, I don't think the news about the Villages has ever been deliberately suppressed..we just sometimes don't get all of the facts. Next time I watch the Jets or Giants I will tell everyone they are really in New Jersey.

NottaVillager 04-21-2014 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 865829)
With so many new and pre owned homes in the villages why would you choose one that had sink hole repair. My thoughts were that the ground under it was probably more stable after the repair, but if you had to sell the home it might be difficult. I don't want to gamble with 300k.

If the home is sold, it will most likely be uninsurable with any normal Florida insurance carrier. Which means the insurer of last resort..Citizens Property Insurance of Florida run by the state, which is like buying car insurance after you've been convicted of a DWI. It's E-X-P-E-N-S-I-V-E!!

When we first looked at homes down here our agent at Villages Insurance told us to have her check each home we wanted BEFORE we got really interested because if a home EVER had any sort of sink hole claim, normal insurers won't touch it.

chuckinca 04-21-2014 08:57 PM

Sounds like a good place for a new small neighborhood watermelon patch.

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jimbo2012 04-22-2014 06:10 AM

Maybe a reverse mortgage would be a good idea.;)


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