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aljetmet 03-12-2012 10:22 AM

Sinkhole coverage
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 465148)
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Originally Posted by graciegirl https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...s/viewpost.gif
You can't insure what you don't own. Inquire now. Do your due diligence.

And even if there is a danger anywhere in Florida of sinkholes, The Villages isn't having any trouble selling those lots.

Dance while you can still hear the music.

"I think he was talking about a sink hole inspection. A very good idea. I will be doing same before dancing."Posh

How could they inspect a lot for sinkholes before you choose a lot and put a deposit on it??? Just asking. And my point is that sinkholes happen, they are fairly rare. Central and West central Florida has more than the rest of the state. That known and given, the lots are still selling here pretty fast and people are taking their chances. May I have this waltz, Posh? ;).

The cheery thought around here is that if you don't ever have a sinkhole, you have a good chance to be hit by a drunken golf cart driver.;)

OR...CAN YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL LOT INSPECTED.??AND HOW DO THEY DO THAT? AND WILL THEY CHARGE YOU FOR THAT? And even after that can you be sure?

I wonder if I should start a new thread on this?

With the multitude closures on homes south of 466A I wonder how many people have:

1> Tried to get sinkhole coverage?
2> How many denied?
3> If coverage was given how much and what is the deductible?

I wish I knew how to start a poll. hint hint please!

So in the meantime I'll :popcorn:

Bill-n-Brillo 03-12-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by aljetmet (Post 465900)
.....I wish I knew how to start a poll. .....

This should help:

Talk of The Villages - FAQ: Reading and Posting Messages

Bill :)

twotogo 03-12-2012 10:57 AM

I heard that someone received a letter from their insurance company that their sinkhole coverage was canceled. The catastophic sinkhole coverage was not canceled. Has anyone else had their sinkhole coveraged canceled?

What did you do? Can you get S.H. coverage from Florida Citizens Ins? What would the cost and the deductible be?

We have visited The Villages for two years and will be putting our home up for sale in April. I need to be sure I will be covered when the home is built and in the future. Thanks in advance for responding.

Bill-n-Brillo 03-12-2012 11:13 AM

twotogo, in addition to seeking feedback/input here on TOTV, it's undoubtedly best that you also contact an insurance agent regarding your questions and concerns. Plenty of referrals in this thread and others regarding various insurance agencies if you don't already have one in mind.

Bill :)

CarGuys 03-12-2012 11:20 AM

Call first
 
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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 465931)
twotogo, in addition to seeking feedback/input here on TOTV, it's undoubtedly best that you also contact an insurance agent regarding your questions and concerns. Plenty of referrals in this thread and others regarding various insurance agencies if you don't already have one in mind.

Bill :)

Bill is Spot on- This is no longer a stick your head in the sand and it will go away concern. If you are buying a lot find out of coverage is available.

If the TV wants to sell homes and FLa underwriters are no providing a service to the new clients then TV may want to consider and underwrite ther own insurance for us. Now that will start a stink on this site! :shrug:

Call agents get quotes on total sink hole coverage first That is both major and minor damage.

Folks in St James and Tamarind Grove area got in under the wire or those that took it did. TOTV saved our hides. I would never have looked into that coverage without help from my fellow posters.:pray:

JimJoe 03-12-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 464230)
Per today's paper, this incident was a water main break and not a sinkhole.

To Advo.... Golf course irrigation is primarily via reclaimed water in the various ponds.

So what caused the water main to break? Up north breaks are usually ground movement caused by freezing and thawing..
Why would a new pipe in TV just break if it was not ground movement?
JJ

Posh 08 03-12-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 465148)
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Originally Posted by graciegirl https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...s/viewpost.gif
You can't insure what you don't own. Inquire now. Do your due diligence.

And even if there is a danger anywhere in Florida of sinkholes, The Villages isn't having any trouble selling those lots.

Dance while you can still hear the music.

"I think he was talking about a sink hole inspection. A very good idea. I will be doing same before dancing."Posh

How could they inspect a lot for sinkholes before you choose a lot and put a deposit on it??? Just asking. And my point is that sinkholes happen, they are fairly rare. Central and West central Florida has more than the rest of the state. That known and given, the lots are still selling here pretty fast and people are taking their chances. May I have this waltz, Posh? ;).

The cheery thought around here is that if you don't ever have a sinkhole, you have a good chance to be hit by a drunken golf cart driver.;)

OR...CAN YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL LOT INSPECTED.??AND HOW DO THEY DO THAT? AND WILL THEY CHARGE YOU FOR THAT? And even after that can you be sure?

Working on it. Get this place sold first then away we go.

Carla B 03-12-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by twotogo (Post 465923)
I heard that someone received a letter from their insurance company that their sinkhole coverage was canceled. The catastophic sinkhole coverage was not canceled. Has anyone else had their sinkhole coveraged canceled?

What did you do? Can you get S.H. coverage from Florida Citizens Ins? What would the cost and the deductible be?

We have visited The Villages for two years and will be putting our home up for sale in April. I need to be sure I will be covered when the home is built and in the future. Thanks in advance for responding.

It's possible that insurance companies will not renew policies with sinkhole coverage. The reason I say this is that when we lived in Palm Beach County, our HO policy was not renewed by Allstate Floridian, along with 95,000 others. This was due to hurricane losses, even though we never had a claim. Even our agent's policy was not renewed. The big insurance companies left Florida and gradually smaller companies moved in. Probably when the whole issue of sinkhole claims eventually settles down more insurance companies will step in and offer the coverage.

Allstate Floridian offered us one alternative: Universal Property, with whom we could retain our $500 deductible. Citizens would have been much more expensive with a higher deductible. Our insurance in TV is up for renewal in July and we'll have to see what happens.

CarGuys 03-13-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 466040)
The big insurance companies left Florida and gradually smaller companies moved in. Probably when the whole issue of sinkhole claims eventually settles down more insurance companies will step in and offer the coverage.

Our insurance in TV is up for renewal in July and we'll have to see what happens.

Couldn't have said it better Carla! I'm betting that next year all our rates go up or are gone until this all settles down.

Wonder how many say go un-protected and just let the bank take it when it disappeares?

senior citizen 03-13-2012 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 464456)
Thanks Bill, Your a good mentor and a " Go to Resource"

I did exactly what you recommend. Like you we went to our agent and we were lucky with getting our policies. In fact I had several close friends in Tamarind work with me also.

My Post was for all the new or soon to purchase buyers reading. I believe that we are not starting panic but as per the TOTV I feel it is a nice gesture to give people a heads up.

Some attack that we are starting a panic. I was shocked to find out how close we came to NOT getting coverage or a huge deductible.

As you most correctly stated. You and I both found that a call to your agent is priceless.

I would someday hope like a used home inspection a new lot would have the requirement to provide sinkhole inspection to give those peace of mind.

Good companies with technology of ground sonar and test drilling can determine a yea! or nay!

I am afraid that these rates are going to climb unless Fla law restores insurance sinkhole reasonable coverage.

Everyone thinking of purchasing in The Villages would understand your gesture of giving people a "heads up". It's not panic to educate oneself about potential problems. The old adage........."Buyer Beware" still holds true.

Also, as far as another thought , by others, that maybe those who did encounter a lot with sinkhole "issues" would just give it back to the bank.
Well, not everyone takes out a mortgage. I would think most would use the profits from their earlier home to buy the new home or lot/property and without the sinkhole insurance in their Homeowners Policy....would be totally devastated.

I was just surprised to see our HO policy up here in Vermont rise in cost as well as the insurance agency offer us a $5,000 deductible to save $100 a year. This on the heels of the devastating Vermont floods (two last year, in June and August).............Mother Nature is unpredictable all over lately.

villages07 03-13-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CarGuys (Post 466133)
Couldn't have said it better Carla! I'm betting that next year all our rates go up or are gone until this all settles down.

Wonder how many say go un-protected and just let the bank take it when it disappeares?

I have ASI and it appears they significantly raised their rates somewhere around last May (plus or minus a month or two). For example, my renewal was for August and insurance went up somewhere around 20%, mostly due to sinkhole and "approved" rate increases. All the folks complaining about rate increases now are catching up to last year's approved rate hike.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to those coming up on this next year of renewals (i.e. after May'ish) to see there is another significant rate hike or other changes in sinkhole coverage.

Someone asked earlier, and never got a good answer.... for folks who have recently closed on new homes in Sanibel or St James...what has been your experience in obtaining sinkhole coverage as part of your HO insurance?

KEVIN & JOSIE 04-02-2012 03:21 PM

Has the Cane Garden sinkhole been repaired yet?

l2ridehd 04-02-2012 03:29 PM

I was by there two weeks ago and they had repaired the underground and had filled the hole. They had not repaired the house porch or garage yet. I would guess they need to wait until the concrete they injected under the home has had a chance to cure. Probably takes 8 to 10 days for that. Looks like they will return it to as good as new. Probably better then other homes right around it now.

zonerboy 04-02-2012 03:41 PM

Bought my home in the Villages from the Villages with mortgage by the Villages (i.e. Citizens First) with home insurance by the Villages.
So if it disappears into a sinkhole, I'll let the Villages worry about it.

Posh 08 04-02-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 474582)
Bought my home in the Villages from the Villages with mortgage by the Villages (i.e. Citizens First) with home insurance by the Villages.
So if it disappears into a sinkhole, I'll let the Villages worry about it.

I like it Zoner, I like it. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

TommyT 04-02-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 474582)
Bought my home in the Villages from the Villages with mortgage by the Villages (i.e. Citizens First) with home insurance by the Villages.
So if it disappears into a sinkhole, I'll let the Villages worry about it.

:a20: :a20: :a20: :bowdown:

F16 1UB 04-02-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 466150)
I have ASI and it appears they significantly raised their rates somewhere around last May (plus or minus a month or two). For example, my renewal was for August and insurance went up somewhere around 20%, mostly due to sinkhole and "approved" rate increases. All the folks complaining about rate increases now are catching up to last year's approved rate hike.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to those coming up on this next year of renewals (i.e. after May'ish) to see there is another significant rate hike or other changes in sinkhole coverage.

Someone asked earlier, and never got a good answer.... for folks who have recently closed on new homes in Sanibel or St James...what has been your experience in obtaining sinkhole coverage as part of your HO insurance?


Ours (ASI) went up 31.9% due mid May 2012. Have to start winning some more bass tournaments.

CarGuys 04-02-2012 11:46 PM

Rates
 
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 474582)
Bought my home in the Villages from the Villages with mortgage by the Villages (i.e. Citizens First) with home insurance by the Villages.
So if it disappears into a sinkhole, I'll let the Villages worry about it.

If they get crazy and raise the insurance rate next year I'm with you.

Lynnelf 04-03-2012 08:50 AM

We just got our homeowner's insurance through AAA. We were told that we just made the deadline before significant changes would take place in FL regarding sinkhole insurance coverage. (We close April 12, changes take place April 15.) The change would be in the deductible for the sinkhole insurance. Presently, it is 1,000. After the 15th the deductible will increase to 10% of purchase price. (sinkhole claims only.) We still have to get an inspection of the property before they will issue the insurance so I am hoping we pass!

KEVIN & JOSIE 04-03-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 474576)
I was by there two weeks ago and they had repaired the underground and had filled the hole. They had not repaired the house porch or garage yet. I would guess they need to wait until the concrete they injected under the home has had a chance to cure. Probably takes 8 to 10 days for that. Looks like they will return it to as good as new. Probably better then other homes right around it now.

Thanks for the update. I was just curious how long it takes to correct the damage.

Nipper 04-06-2012 07:31 PM

Sink Hole Insurance Inspection
 
We have homeowners through The Villages. When I called to add sink hole coverage, I was told we would have to have an inspection which costs $140. And I think the lady said, hardly anyone passes the inspection. She was right. We had a hairline crack (what stucco houses doesn't have a hairline crack?) and were turned down. This is all due to new rules approved by Florida legislature.

Villageshooter 04-06-2012 09:51 PM

We need a crystal ball
 
This is getting serious. Insurance rates going up, deductable increasing. The shifting sands will be our demise of our future .We need a crystal ball.

GatorFan 04-06-2012 10:20 PM

Cane Garden was not a sinkhole claim. It was classified as catastrophic ground collapse which is included in policies.

janmcn 04-07-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorFan (Post 476260)
Cane Garden was not a sinkhole claim. It was classified as catastrophic ground collapse which is included in policies.

What is the technical difference between a sinkhole and a catastrophic ground collapse?

Bill-n-Brillo 04-07-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 476398)
What is the technical difference between a sinkhole and a catastrophic ground collapse?

See post #36 in this thread.

Bill :)


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