Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2280536)

I could refute your erroneous conclusions, but Bill already did a good job of that.

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2280541)

right.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2280376)

If you knew me you would have no need to ask that question.

Thank you for that piece of advice. Rest assured I will put it to appropriate use.

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2280397)

Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2280516)

We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2280526)

So you have never traveled on Hillsborough.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2280584)

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2280576)

. BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2280588)

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2280584)

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2280590)

In the US? In a retirement community? Unlikely that anything is set expecting peak performance and perfect conditions. The lowest common denominator is the usual target.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2280588)

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2280610)

Again, your argument is to change/limit the parameters...

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2280631)

I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2280760)

"when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny."

No one was talking about the weather, nor the driver's/vehicle's "peak condition"...

That is changing the parameters of the argument...

Of course, if it's raining, you slow down. No one argued otherwise...

Of course if your brakes don't work, you get off the road. Again, not the argument...

And, as far as "taking a chill pill" goes, that pill works for you, as well...

If you see someone trying to pass you (safely, of course, lest you bring another variable into the equation), let them pass you. Slow down for the few seconds it takes to let them pass. Don't be a d!ck...