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Jameson 12-03-2023 07:57 AM

If I'm already going about 40-42 mph down Morse or Buena Vista, keeping pace with most left lane traffic, passing cars that are going 30-35 (within the limit) but then guy behind me wants to go 50 or 60, they can go around.

LonnyP 12-03-2023 08:05 AM

Have you driven your car on Morse Blvd lately? You can set your cruise at 5 over and people blow by you. Apparently people have some where to be and you need to get out of their way.

TheWarriors 12-03-2023 08:09 AM

It is won’t be long until the Police are forced to patrol the MMPs. Too much variation in speeds resulting in too many accidents/close calls. It is plain to see just based on the comments on this thread. It is not the issue of someone going 21 mph and another doing 17. Way too many people exceeding 25 mph routinely and upset when slowed down. I’ve clocked carts doing 30 mph on some straightaways, the situation has become the Wild West and begs for law enforcement. And please don’t say it can’t be done, anything is possible.

Mrfriendly 12-03-2023 08:09 AM

“I must learn to control my vociferous behavior”. Written 500 times in 7th grade by yours truly. Uggh

talonip 12-03-2023 08:24 AM

It’s not appointments
 
Most of these drivers have had their foot on pedal doing 15 to 20 over the speed limit all their driving lives. They have settled into this lifestyle. That next translates into their cart driving lifestyle.

ThirdOfFive 12-03-2023 08:27 AM

I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

Bill14564 12-03-2023 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2279177)
The left lane is for passing on an interstate or major freeway. In a city, town, or community, it is not. A driver in the left lane may be making the next left turn, or the next. If you haven't noticed, there is a left turn at EVERY INTERSECTION.

Just because YOU are passing through does not mean ALL DRIVERS ARE. Those who honk horns in our community, pretending the left lane is for passing, ARE ANNOYING. If you are running late, it is your fault. Do not expect drivers to clear the road so YOU can pass freely. Instead, recognize, at any time, a driver in the left lane needs to make a left exit. Pretending they are driving in front of you just to annoy you will give you road rage.

There is no left turn going north on Buena Vista at Hillsborough or Stillwater. There are a few more with no left turn when going south. When a left turn lane is needed, such as at 44, 466A, 466, etc, one is added.

It is foolish to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.

Stay to the left except to pass or to actually make a left turn. It is simple to understand, it is easy to do, it is considerate, and it ought to be the law.

Randall55 12-03-2023 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2279202)
There is no left turn going north on Buena Vista at Hillsborough or Stillwater. There are a few more with no left turn when going south. When a left turn lane is needed, such as at 44, 466A, 466, etc, one is added.

It is ridiculous to believe that Buena Vista and Morse were built as four lane roads because older drivers need a mile of roadway to prepare for a left turn.

Stay to the left except to pass or to actually make a left turn. It is simple to understand, it is easy to do, it is considerate, and it ought to be the law.

Ridiculous for you to believe an older person needs a mile of roadway to prepare for a left exit. Tell that to the 80 and 90-year-olds who have reduced eyesight and hearing, slower reaction time, distorted thinking, and are jittery around speeders. I find it much easier to leave my home early and to expect the unexpected. I do not honk my horn because I know this will frighten them and they will drive even slower. Sometimes, it is wise to accept things we can not change. As long as we all arrive safely, who cares if it takes an extra few minutes?

edtherock 12-03-2023 09:10 AM

Let’s not forget. There are a lot of workers driving in and through the villages to get to their job which probably in many cases require them to be there at a very specific time so they get a paycheck! I see plenty of young people driving fast up and down buena vista and I suspect this is one reason why such high speeds at least on the roads.

srswans 12-03-2023 09:28 AM

Culture is the Culprit
 
Yes - excellent hypothesis - I agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2279200)
I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.


srswans 12-03-2023 09:38 AM

It’s the Cart (Throttle)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2278876)
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, …
Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

I normally drive with my foot to the floor because throttle controller on my cart doesn’t work well at mid position. It hunts, making it difficult to hold a steady speed like 15. I’ve talked to others, who have found the same - particularly with lithium carts.

Better throttle controllers may help.

MX rider 12-03-2023 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2279224)
Yes - excellent hypothesis - I agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2279200)
I think a lot of the perceived issues are cultural, as in people come here from different areas of the country bringing their method of driving with them, and that can vary significantly. The laws also vary from state to state: "In 29 states, any car traveling slower than surrounding traffic must be in the right lane. In 11 states, the laws are even stricter—reserving the left lane only for turning
or passing." ("SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT: A Summary of “Keep Right” Traffic Laws in All 50 States" Matthiesen, Wickert & Lehrer, S.C., Attorneys-At=Law, updated January 13, 2022) Florida is one of those 11, but that means that 39 states AREN'T, and if you're from one of those states then it's a good bet that you're going to p___ off drivers who are. Yeah, I know that it is the responsibility of drivers to know the laws of the states where they are driving, but...

Also, consider the overall driving habits. Driving in the seething metropolises of, for example, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago or Boston (the four most traffic-congested states in America) is a whole lot different than driving in, say rural Iowa or Nebraska. Drivers from the one are going to have a decidedly negative opinion of drivers from another, even though each may be driving precisely the same way the do or did when back in their own environment. I can guarantee you that a dyed-in-the-wool Bostonian who finds himself suddenly driving in (say) Ames, Iowa, has a good chance of earning himself a traffic ticket for doing the same things he does routinely back home in Boston. Conversely a guy from Ames stands a good chance of getting nailed for impeding traffic if he is leisurely tooling along in the left lane in any of the four states mentioned, plus many others. Old habits die hard.

Finally, courtesy. Drivers from America's heartland are far more apt to give the other guy a break than are drivers from either coast. Saw a great example this week going to the new Costco. Traffic was bumper-to-bumper due to a pretty major accident and the turn lane off Highway 50 was backed up to the previous light. There was an opening in the line so wife signaled for a merge. A white van saw that and immediately speeded up to close the gap. The lady in the car behind the white van saw their shenanigans and blinked her headlights, slowing down to give us the opening so we could merge. Her license plate read Wisconsin. Such differences in driving attitude on the part of folks from varying parts of America are noticeable in many forms here in TV. Courtesy does indeed seem to be region-specific.

Maybe what is needed is a little less selfishness and a little more understanding. TV is a melting pot. Things take some time to blend together.

I think you're spot on.
We come from somewhat rural southern Indiana and drivers there are totally different than the large metro areas. Even Indianapolis isn't bad for a large city. I will always let someone in a line of traffic, and hope they do the same some day. We're retired, so we're not in a hurry. It's a lot safer to leave a little early for your trip and take your time.

As someone else said, some of the speeders are not villagers.

Jhrath7@gmail.com 12-03-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2278876)
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

Maybe people are scheduling things too close together. I have seen golf carts going 40 mph on the streets

DonH57 12-03-2023 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2278876)
I see a lot of posts asking why people are going so fast in the Villages. Carts that are exceeding 20 mph, Passing others and speeding around. What's the Rush? We're mostly retired and have plenty of time.
But in the Villages we may not have 'plenty of time'. Tee times are generally booked to the max. They aren't going to understand if you arrive a few minutes late. If you don't make it to a recreation class on time they'll fill up and start without you. You won't get a seat at the nightly entertainment if you take your time getting there. Things fill up fast in the Villages, especially during the Winter months.

Are people rushing around, going too fast for no reason or is it the Villages environment that induces us to have to rush to get somewhere on time. We still have appointments that need to be kept. Most of us have more and more Medical and care and upkeep appointments than when we were younger. Some are so active that after pickleball they have only a few minutes to get to the next activity and following that activity there's a Yoga class a few golf cart miles away that you need to be early for or you don't get in. Dragon Boat, Softball, Water Volleyball and other team sports need team members to be on time.

For those of you with the whole day to yourself and can go at a leisurely pace and no rush to get anywhere, do you live in the Villages? What activates are you doing that allow you to not be concerned about arriving on time?

Is the Villages environment the cause of all the Rushing about or do you see another reason?

The reason as I see it. In my opinion it's due to poor time management. Inability to leave the house in a timely manner to get to that tee time, appointment, or wherever. Another reason may be dur to overscheduling the day time hours. I can't count how many times I 've heard golfers ask the starter, " How fast does the group ahead of us play? I have a doctor's appointment in 90 minutes". Yes. I have heard that among other things from villagers. I'm really curious how many of these people will have a massive coronary due to living by a clock as if they had to be at work.

DonH57 12-03-2023 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2278879)
The Villages isn’t the problem, it lack of ability to plan ahead. Ya know I no longer get paid to be there so, I will arrive when I so choose.

Thank goodness the chosen ones are few and far between

Exactly !:ho:


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