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benj 08-29-2020 09:10 AM
Crosses
 
Everyone who has a white cross displayed signed a contract promising to abide by the rules. Everyone of you who now display crosses are dishonest people. Not very Christian if you ask

Pbthrockm@msn.com 08-29-2020 09:15 AM
Why white crosses
 
The Knights of Columbus knows the story about the white cross.
Placing a white cross in your yard makes a statement

It means In God We Trust we are a Christian nation. Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
We stand together for our religious heritage and freedom.

kendi 08-29-2020 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1824590)
If you have to have a little white cross in your yard to feel like a good person, maybe you need to think about that.
Probably doesn’t feel good getting blasted with complaints. Doubt your interpretation of their intentions is accurate.

Pamelah 08-29-2020 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1824684)
:ho::ohdear:

You hit the nail on the head. I’m really surprised that a small, white cross outside of a neighbor’s home can offend folk.
We are all different. What you like I may not. What I find disagreeable you might be ok with. It’s what makes us a country and tolerance of others beliefs is key. As someone earlier here said, I don’t feel a need to live full time up north, we love the Villages. But for peace and harmony deeded restrictions should be enforced.

kendi 08-29-2020 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by drgoofy (Post 1824529)
Are the crosses there as a warning to keep all other religions away? If they're such great Christians, why would they need to advertise? Wouldn't we all know by their Jesus-esque actions???
Evangelize, not advertise. And it’s not about being exclusive as you suggest. You certainly don’t understand Christianity. Best to know what you’re talking about before criticizing.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2020 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pbthrockm@msn.com (Post 1824718)
The Knights of Columbus knows the story about the white cross.
Placing a white cross in your yard makes a statement

It means In God We Trust we are a Christian nation. Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
We stand together for our religious heritage and freedom.
The cross has *nothing* to do with Judeo anything. The Jewish religion was founded on the Old Testament. Christianity bypasses it and skips over to the New Testament.

Marshaw 08-29-2020 09:39 AM
OMG people. They are in yards to let people know that this particular house is housing Christian's. It's just fine to have them. Most importantly I beleive they are legal only north of 466

HogPilot 08-29-2020 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1824385)
I’m with those who thought is was a marker for a deceased pet. In fact I told my neighbor that I was sorry her pet had passed. If you must tell the world you are Christian well...I’m not impressed. Whatever your religion, live it for the good. As someone else said, yes, we have freedom of religion, not just one religion so be prepared for other symbols as well.
I too always thought it was for a resident whose pet that passed away until I read this forum post.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2020 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1824705)
“Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” In other words, follow the rules. Display the cross under the guidelines that the owner should have been aware of when they bought. I don’t remember lawlessness being promoted in the Bible.
I think you have absolutely no idea what that means. And it's "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's", translated from the greek Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ from the book of Matthew.

The context - is that the Roman authorities demanded that Judeans pay a special poll tax. Theoretically, Jesus was expected to oppose this tax, though there's controversy on whether or not the coin used to symbolize the tax even existed when Jesus was alive.

So once again, we have persecution of the Jews, in the name of religion.

Velvet 08-29-2020 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824735)
The cross has *nothing* to do with Judeo anything. The Jewish religion was founded on the Old Testament. Christianity bypasses it and skips over to the New Testament.
Well, not everywhere. At my Bible College each testament was given equal value historically. Creation starts with the Old Testament. If you leave it out you have only half the story. I actually even knew all the “begats” at one point. Interpretations may differ though. One had to understand the original language it was written in. My first boyfriend in high school was a rabbi’s son and I remember how differently we could interpret the same passages.

Curtisbwp 08-29-2020 10:16 AM
I thought if it was kept under the eve of the house it is ok, but not sure. On the flip side, is it ok to place a statue of SATAN on a lawn??

bpascani 08-29-2020 10:18 AM
I would not consider putting a cross up in defiance , but I would be more than willing to sign a petition to allow it. I don't want to get anything new started, but, there are many other 'yard ornaments' in many yards/front gardens in lots of "villages" here, so I don't see the problem. I never knew what they symbolized anyway....made my own assumption, then was told it was something else...and now this...none of these subjects are offensive, IMO.

024engine 08-29-2020 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kenklaw13 (Post 1824247)
I understand there is a lawsuit pending against a village household for displaying a small white cross in their yard. The last time I looked at the constitution,we were still guaranteed freedom"of" religion and not freedom "from" religion.
Time for Christians to stand up and be counted. Would be interesting to see hundreds if not thousands of "little white crosses"
pop-up all over the villages.

God is great; Beer is good; People are crazy!
KenK.
I rode around my neighborhood a couple of evenings I go and in a half an hour's time sounded 47 little white crosses. How can you charge one person with a violation when there are thousands of little white crosses in The Villages?

Byte1 08-29-2020 10:41 AM
“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone..."

Being offended by a li'l white cross in someone else's yard amuses me. PC seems to run rampant everywhere today. Heaven help the grandkids if something as minor as this is life changing for some pitiful and miserable people. Sorry if I do not take the offense seriously. I KNOW how important someone else's minor infraction is to some that have no lives.
Since it is obviously NOT against my deed restrictions to display a cross in my yard, I think I will put one in the same area as my little garden gnome. For anyone that gets hit by the trolls, that may own a couple of those big gray bird yard ornaments, I'll be interested in purchasing them for a decent price. I might try to find a couple of those pink flamingos to put in my front yard, if I can find some that aren't plastic.

Byte1 08-29-2020 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824735)
The cross has *nothing* to do with Judeo anything. The Jewish religion was founded on the Old Testament. Christianity bypasses it and skips over to the New Testament.
Some folks should look up the term "Judeo Christian" and see how it is used in the statement that was made. I don't know where some folks went to Bible school, but Christianity NEVER "bypassed" the old Testament. I sincerely hope that my intent to correct a misconception was not "offensive."

Dburesh 08-29-2020 10:52 AM
We got a call from Community Standards to take our cross down!

Byte1 08-29-2020 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by benj (Post 1824709)
Everyone who has a white cross displayed signed a contract promising to abide by the rules. Everyone of you who now display crosses are dishonest people. Not very Christian if you ask
No offense meant, but if I was going to ask anyone if something I was doing was Christian-like, I would ask GOD. You know, someone that would really know and give me an honest answer. :pray:

PugMom 08-29-2020 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by swooner (Post 1824522)
All for religious freedom and all kinds of freedom of choice, including political preferences. Believe symbols of all those things should remain in the house and not be on display in front yards.
dittos. why not just place them indoors? i'm not anti-religion, but a deed is a deed. i'd think it would be more comforting inside where the family can see it, no?

cindyfeh 08-29-2020 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824735)
The cross has *nothing* to do with Judeo anything. The Jewish religion was founded on the Old Testament. Christianity bypasses it and skips over to the New Testament.
Christians do not skip the Old Testament. The New Testament fulfills the OT. Our country was founded on Judeo Christian ethics.

Velvet 08-29-2020 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1824824)
No offense meant, but if I was going to ask anyone if something I was doing was Christian-like, I would ask GOD. You know, someone that would really know and give me an honest answer. :pray:
You made me smile.

You know “Fiddler on the Roof”? I’ve often been jealous of how Tevye, the dairyman, in the show, seems to just be able to talk to God as I would, say to my uncle. Wouldn’t it be nice?

My impression is that these little white crosses mean different things to different people.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1824561)
They're free.
Who ever gives them away has an agenda.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1824580)
Totally agree! I understand the need for deed restrictions and I am glad they are there for the most part. But deed restrictions that violate your constitutional rights cannot stand. The first amendment guarantees you the free exercise thereof with regard to your religion. It doesn’t say except if a deed restriction doesn’t like it! If there is a deed restriction with regard to a cross in your yard it should be with regard to the size of it, not whether you can have it or not. Obviously we would not want someone putting a 15 foot high cross in their front yard. Common sense needs to be applied
The first amendment is all about the freedom to worship your religion in your preferred place of worship. I honestly don't believe the first amendment is addressing your right to display little white crosses in your front yard.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DecaturFargo (Post 1824588)
And white crosses in the front yards must go.
There are white crosses in people's back yard but those back yards face major roads with lots of traffic.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2020 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Curtisbwp (Post 1824782)
I thought if it was kept under the eve of the house it is ok, but not sure. On the flip side, is it ok to place a statue of SATAN on a lawn??
If it's okay to place the physical representation of the device used to torture and murder the "savior" of someone's religion, then it's okay to place the physical representation of a deity, regardless of anyone's opinion of that deity. Satan was either a god or a demi-god, depending on your religion. Seems kosher to me for someone to put up a statue of one, as their personal religious symbol.

Unless - religious symbols aren't allowed on lawns. In which case - people need to get the white crosses off their lawns.

Marathon Man 08-29-2020 11:56 AM
Here is an idea. Those of you who are certain that you have a right to place a cross in your yard, go ahead and report yourself to Community Standards. Then you can put your money where your mouth is and begin your legal fight to keep it.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pam Smothers (Post 1824612)
I know of no church that sells the little white crosses. They are made by individuals and given away free of charge; donations accepted. Nor do they have anything to do with “death” (Velvet). If you care to hear the facts, here is a link to the true story behind the White Cross Movement: White crosses spread through yards with help from Lancaster couple - News - The Columbus Dispatch - Columbus, OH
Fact-checked by Snopes Frankenmuth Crosses and others.
I was unaware there was a "movement". Another reason to nix those little white crosses.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1824472)
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hmmm, was thinkin' about this one. I believe most of us in TV have the postlight out front of our homes. You know the thick vertical tube with the horizontal little pipe across, and just under the light. Many people have their name/number signs on it.

OK, that all said. What if - IF. A homeowner mounts a white cross on the INSIDE portion of this post so the vertical aligns right with the post and the horiz aligns with the cross pipe. Really not seen from the street. But the homewner can see it from their house, and any visitors leaving. hmmm - would that be a violation???

Or, better yet - what if the lamp posts are brown, and the homeowner paints, in white, the portion of the posts and crossmember to depict a cross? The paint is approved color - the homeowner just did not finish the job. A white cross is there.

just sayin'....
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That sort of overthinks the subject. I liked the post about the crosses keeping away the vampires. But, they do attract trolls and "do good-ers". I wonder which is worse vampires or trolls and the do good-ers? Help me out! I won't be able to sleep tonight - pondering this great philosophical dilemma.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824651)
The crosses in my neighborhood were here when we started looking for houses to buy in this neighborhood last September. The virus hadn't arrived yet. They are a religious symbol, which again - is offensive to me, but isn't a big enough deal to DO anything about it. I moved to this part of the Villages, partly, because of fewer restrictions. I'll take the good with the bad, it's that wiggle-room for creative expression that I appreciate. Even if I don't like the white crosses. It's just a matter of taste. Like the house with the toilet seat in his driveway and a ridiculous hand-written sign on it that says "[political candidate's] world" on it, implying that the political candidate's world is down the toilet.

Tacky and ridiculous, but that says more about the neighbor than it does about the neighborhood.
That toilet is allowed in your neighborhood? It is not violating any restrictions?

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by quietpine (Post 1824668)
I read that the white cross originated in Wisconsin as a protest. Yes folks, the people who display those crosses are protestors! You know, like the people protesting police shootings of unarmed black men.
What were those people protesting?

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2020 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1824815)
Some folks should look up the term "Judeo Christian" and see how it is used in the statement that was made. I don't know where some folks went to Bible school, but Christianity NEVER "bypassed" the old Testament. I sincerely hope that my intent to correct a misconception was not "offensive."
The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died for the sins of man. Jesus's "way" replaced that of the Old Testament. All the laws and rules and regulations and stipulations of the Old Testament were no longer necessary, and the NEW Way was the Way.

It eliminated the laws of Kosher. You no longer had to stone your son to death in the town square if your son disrespected his mother. You no longer had to reject pork. You no longer had to isolate yourself from civilization if you were menstruating. You were no longer required to cover your hair if you were a married woman.

All of these rules - were no longer valid. And all of those rules were rules of the Old Testament. The New Testament said, basically, "hey y'know all that stuff we said you had to do before? Fuggedaboudit."

Even the term itself - "Christianity" didn't exist until after Jesus was already dead. The New Testament essentially retcons the old Testament, says "yeah that old stuff is just fairy tales - read this instead. Pretend I'm Bill Maher and these are the NEW RULES."

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1824684)
:ho::ohdear:

You hit the nail on the head. I’m really surprised that a small, white cross outside of a neighbor’s home can offend folk.
It is not the white cross but the MEANING of the white cross. THAT is what offends me. Get it?

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1824693)
Are your delicate sensibilities also offended when you spot a crucifix around a person’s neck?
Actually, yes. No need to profess your religion as a badge of honor for all the world to see. Just not necessary. As a kid I would not wear that cross around my neck. Just was not going to do it. My parents understood. They never wore one either.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dburesh (Post 1824817)
We got a call from Community Standards to take our cross down!
That was complaint driven. That's why I'm thinking the diminished numbers of little white crosses in our neck of the woods is because people are complaining about them

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1824534)
They are essentially gang signs to show the world what gang you belong to. It’s like tagging is in urban areas.
That's funny! And good thinking outside the box. Kudos!

NoVa_Jim 08-29-2020 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mountie48 (Post 1824629)
At least those who put crosses in their front yards across the nation are not the ones rioting and looting in all those cities.
They are also likely not doing much to address the tragic state of race relations in our country, which the Guy who is remembered by the cross would certainly wish for them to do.

Velvet 08-29-2020 12:40 PM
My impression was that it was so difficult to follow all the rules of the Old Testament that many people failed. And the Creator provided alternative ways, which is the Creator’s prerogative, so that more people would be successful. Not to negate, but to add.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathanb (Post 1824543)
The cross is foolishness to those that are perishing but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
That is the perfect example of both anthropological stone-age tribalism and the modern-day carry-over into the creation of wedge issues that cause social disruption and chaos. Maybe religion is the conduit between the 2? If religion can possibly cause disruption, then is that the basis for all government attempts to "separate church and state"? Is it reasonable that the state is THREATENED by the POWER of the church? Is ANY church easily corrupted as exemplified by recent Jerry Falwell Jr. news and Catholic Priests and young boys? Is ANY church MORE vulnerable to corruption than any government organization? Or are they equally corruptable?

Velvet 08-29-2020 12:56 PM
Amazing and thoughtful thread, thank you to many people’s contributions. I am learning as we go along.

Byte1 08-29-2020 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824881)
The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died for the sins of man. Jesus's "way" replaced that of the Old Testament. All the laws and rules and regulations and stipulations of the Old Testament were no longer necessary, and the NEW Way was the Way.

It eliminated the laws of Kosher. You no longer had to stone your son to death in the town square if your son disrespected his mother. You no longer had to reject pork. You no longer had to isolate yourself from civilization if you were menstruating. You were no longer required to cover your hair if you were a married woman.

All of these rules - were no longer valid. And all of those rules were rules of the Old Testament. The New Testament said, basically, "hey y'know all that stuff we said you had to do before? Fuggedaboudit."

Even the term itself - "Christianity" didn't exist until after Jesus was already dead. The New Testament essentially retcons the old Testament, says "yeah that old stuff is just fairy tales - read this instead. Pretend I'm Bill Maher and these are the NEW RULES."
You must have misunderstood what I said. Apologies. The post that you commented on referred to our country being founded on Judeo-Christian principles, or whatever the exact wording might have been. And when someone suggests that the Old Testament was skipped by Christians, it shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1824548)
Back up north especially in Italian sections we have those that put out statues of Mary. In fact there is some that believe you have to bury a statue of Mary in your lawn for good luck. I would just like to remind people Ed Moses spend 40 years in the desert and lost a good percentage of Jews because they prayed 2 Pagan statues IE the golden calf. The cross comes very close to the same thing. When I came down here 15 years ago I was truly amazed and how many people went to church and prayed every Sunday as well as went to Bible study one or two days a week. I am really blessed with many good friends that are religious and truly truly good people. In my own family I have those are Jewish oh, those that are Christian scientists, those that are Christian does that are Protestant and a few that believe in Oriental religions as well because they are from Japan. I hold no grudge against anyone due to their religious beliefs but please keep in mind as someone said above if you're going to put out your cross, be ready for ritual Slaughter of lambs and annual spring rites I Pagan's
When you take the cross out of your house and plant it in your front yard for passing cars to see, ask yourself the question,"Where do you go, when you've gone TOO far?"


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