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This post has gone off subject. The question is not about religion, it is about placing a lawn ornament in the yard which is against the agreement we all signed. The person who is fighting the rule is fighting it based on being singled out, selective enforcement. About the system of reporting. People seem to forget that the issues started out with a cross and a spinning multi colored bird. They have removed the bird, but the cross remains. The point is one lawn ornament remains. Some post say its just a small cross, well who determines what size is okay. Maybe the rules of reporting are not good, but be careful what you asked for! Fees may go up, if we start paying for people to drive around and report. Just put the cross and the bird on the porch, problem solved!
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Personally, if someone told me that my deed restrictions stated that I could not have a little cross in my yard and it was proven to be so, then I would probably remove it until that restriction was changed. Restrictions are modified and changed every year. Colors of homes, screened porches, shutters, etc. are added to the approved list. I would gladly sign any petition or support any civil suit that allowed small items such as crosses or lawn ornaments within good taste in folks' yards. I do not believe in absolutes when it comes to rules or laws. There are constant deviations from those rules and laws on a daily basis throughout the world. There is NO simple black and white on the matter. It is easy for a panel to determine what is in good taste, whether it is the consensus of the neighbors or the consensus of a panel appointed to decide. I know that it will eventually happen here in the Villages, and anyone that does not find that acceptable have the Constitutional right to exercise their freedoms to either accept the decision, challenge the decision, or move somewhere more to their fancy. I am still amazed that there are those that find a simple little white cross to be offensive. And some are even offended by the mere presence of a cross on someone's neck. How those folks have survived this many years in health is beyond amazing. It proves one thing to me, and that is that some must be under a major conviction of the spirit if the mere presence or discussion of Christianity upsets them to such a degree. I have no problem with those that are just adamant about any violations of the law or rules. I respect that. I also respect all persons' faith belief and have seen many instances of the gov and businesses catering to religious practices. I have seen states that allow Muslim women to wear burkas for their driver's license photos. I have seen areas set aside for daily prayer, etc. I do not believe that this great community wishes to be known as one of the sole concentration of communities that are against the free practice and display of the individual's faith. Just my opinion, but this vast development has always been known for it's fantastic charity and friendship. To be a bigot against people of faith is an ugly look and I hate to see The Villages get the stigma of that label. Bigot is a harsh label to be sure, but if a person is intolerant of a group then he/she owns the label. |
But, but I thought the little white crosses, marked the graves of their beloved little pets........
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I apologize for my lengthy posts. If I was as adept as you, I would be able to make my view coherent with a lot less verbiage. You can call me "moderate" but please do not call me Liberal.....:icon_wink: |
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I just prefer to visit a cemetery to be reminded of death. Life is so short I like to think of it instead personally. |
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People can be so touchy and sensitive. There are lots of things that I see and put up with that I truly find offensive. But I have thick skin and don't complain. Besides, IMHO, there are things that just annoy people and things that they don't like, but that doesn't make them offensive. They should understand the distinction. But man, do they act like a bunch of crybabies. I think that most people here are intelligent, but they get caught up in all this crap and start acting like entitled, spoiled brats, and forget that they have dignity, class and should be above the fray. |
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But like you, I don't report it, because a) I don't think it's restricted in my neighborhood and b) as I said previously, we moved into this neighborhood because creative expression is allowed, not restricted, and I accept what I like with what I don't like. As you said - it floats their boat, and it isn't "hurting" me in any way, so hey go for it. I'd probably appreciate them more if they'd give them some funky paint job, because that stark white amidst their colorful gardens isn't very fashionable. Maybe a tie-dye, or give it the same color as the flowers on their hibiscus tree, or something to coordinate with the landscaping. |
Lawn ornaments/decorations/crosses are allowed on the historical side I was told.
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seems like a rather small issue to have worked so manty people up and generate 11 pages on TOTV....
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It’s a nice distraction from our Covid and protests topics. This is truly a Villages topic. There are absolutely no little white crosses on lawns that I have seen in my city up north.
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Last year some friends from another state came to visit. They asked “what’s with all the white crosses?” I told them maybe where s pet is buried?? They thought it was a KKK cross! Just saying not everybody sees things the same way.
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A small white cross usually symbolizes a pet’s death
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It was founded on the dismissal of Judaism, for all intents and purposes. Islam didn't come til much, much later. |
Some of us are so weak, myself included, that we need a lifeline in this Jewish god-king, to get over the threshold. Otherwise I’m pretty sure I probably would not make it.
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The deed restrictions are for lawn ornaments. The little white cross falls in that category. You can place a cross next to your front door under the eave as that is no longer considered a lawn ornament
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So I've had lots of opportunity to learn about religion and it became an interest. |
This is the age when some folks are rip roaring ready to take offense. White crosses are fine; I suspect the owners are good, decent people ready to express their faith in a non-threatening and sincere way. If others are bothered, well that is the way of living in community: some folks are different and toleration is a virtue.
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I wonder if the people with white crosses would be so welcoming of there devil worshiping neighbors pentagram???
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........As to the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I wonder if they serve salads at their service? Or just throw the spaghetti at each other. Anyway, it would make a GREAT title for a movie. You should write the screenplay. If Belushi were alive he could play the lead. |
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I have noticed all kinds of painted driveway designs that no one seems to take offense to. Perhaps a large cross painted onto the driveway would be accepted by all of these "well the rule is the rule" types.
There are a lot of hypocrites on here that espouse "rules are rules" that violate them in other ways every day. Of course, it's easier to just make excuses for their real fears by insisting that you are violating the rules when the real truth is that they are just plain offended that anyone can find happiness and peace by displaying a reminder to themselves and anyone that wishes to ask them why they are so contented. That little reminder gives them peace and happiness and shows folks that they can be welcome at their home. I'll bet there are plenty of visitors to the community that see those little crosses and know that there is a good chance that the neighborhood is friendly. It does not matter a lot to me whether or not one places such a reminder in their yard. It does not bother me if some agitators wish to argue how it will lead to satanic symbols and star of David symbols. In my opinion, if the neighborhood does not like it they will let you know. There are always those that are being spiritually convicted that will be adamantly against anything that makes them uncomfortable. There will always be those around that wish to silence any view that is contrary to their own selfish banner. On the other hand, I do not condone placing objects on a property that will obviously alienate your neighbors. To me, if I plan to live in a particular neighborhood, I want to become a good neighbor. I have seen how folks point at a passerby and say "he (or she) is a miserable person." I have never heard anyone mention that they were disturbed by a neighbor placing a small white cross, a Virgin Mary or even a Buddha statue in their landscaping. And folks, even good folks do gossip so it would get around if so. I put my little lawn flags out on every national holiday to show my patriotism. I enjoy driving down my street and seeing hundreds of American flags lining the streets. Anything wrong with that? I enjoy driving around many neighborhoods during the holiday season to see the multitude of decorations and lights. I try to remember Jewish holidays so that I can pass on my wishes to my Jewish friends. They do not take offense when I give them a small Christmas gift. I honored or respected Ramadan when I was in the Middle East as well as other foreign holidays. Tolerance is an interesting thing. You can mandate the inclusion or exclusion of tolerance but you cannot mandate one to condone an act or omission. What I mean is that you can legislate PC but you can not make someone condone or like-welcome a particular rule or law. Live and let live. If a small white cross bothers you because one is breaking a rule, you are a justified stickler. If a small white cross bothers you because it "offends" you, then you should find out why it bothers you. If I say God Bless you, it is meant as a sincere prayer of peace and prosperity to you and not meant as a slight or condescension. God Bless you. |
Still waiting for the original poster of this thread to login again after dropping his clickbait. Obviously there was more to it than the post.
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