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Tadpole 10-07-2021 08:32 AM

❣️🥰❤️ THANK YOU, THANK YOU❣️ This is SO WELL said and written that I'm saving it to respond to the *%(*)*& climate goofs.

Ksfirefighter 10-07-2021 08:37 AM

They will all be in the landfill

biker1 10-07-2021 08:44 AM

Sprinklers in the common areas often run during rainstorms because the level of the retention ponds is being managed. Most of the water for common area irrigation comes from the retention ponds and their levels need to be managed. Irrigation of residences during rainstorms could be an issue with the rain sensor or the rain sensor is functioning correctly but enough rain hasn’t fallen yet to trip it. Irrigation during the day doesn’t burn grass.


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Originally Posted by OrganicGal (Post 2014211)
It is definitely time for the Villages to not just think about.... but act on decisions that have a positive environmental impact and lead by example. Solar is a beginning. We have the perfect climate for moving forward more aggressively. We have a responsibility to future generations. And no one seems to be addressing all the sprinklers that run throughout the day... in the middle of the day burning the grass and the worst are the sprinklers running in the middle of rainstorms! And then their is the fact that the Villages are the pesticide capital of the world.


Ksfirefighter 10-07-2021 08:57 AM

If you want to really create a change, go after the biggest users and polluters, like China!
They don’t really care about the environment. Just churning out cheap crap that nobody ever really needs.
If you want a change, stop buying from them and support those who are like minded. If nobody buys the crap they produce then production will fall and less pollution.

Notsocrates 10-07-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2013983)
I grew up on a farm where we had a lot of cows. They do not fart, they cannot fart! Cows have a ruminant stomach comprised of 4 separate compartments. If an animal with a ruminant stomach eats fresh clover hay, gas will build up in the stomach and eventually swell the stomach to where it will interfere with breathing and stop the heart causing death. The animal with a ruminant stomach cannot pass the gas. Horses are different case, they fart loudly and often.

1. Cows cannot digest grass (cellulose) because they lack the enzyme, cellulase, needed to metabolize that carbohydrate.

2. They are able to nourish themselves by having gut bacteria who do have cellulase. The end product of this metabolism is called carbon dioxide and is passed via the rectum which is called a fart.

retiredguy123 10-07-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter (Post 2014243)
If you want to really create a change, go after the biggest users and polluters, like China!
They don’t really care about the environment. Just churning out cheap crap that nobody ever really needs.
If you want a change, stop buying from them and support those who are like minded. If nobody buys the crap they produce then production will fall and less pollution.

I agree with your concept, but I don't think it is possible to stop buying products made in China or other polluting countries.

WhoDat 10-07-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by maxfl1 (Post 2014078)
And, surely, you have a phd in the area. Would you like to hear from an MIT scientist on the subject. Go debate him:
2018 Annual GWPF Lecture - Prof Richard Lindzen - Global Warming For The Two Cultures - YouTube
Learn something.

Thank you. Great video.

MrFlorida 10-07-2021 09:49 AM

Things change naturally, ask the dinosaurs.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 10-07-2021 09:58 AM

Every time I hear that one about sprinklers burning your lawn or flowers I have to laugh , if that were true with all the rain showers we have there would be no grass or flowers , but it is a waste of money watering your yard during day and of no help

Pachine58 10-07-2021 10:00 AM

Solar panels will make great freebies in the hurricane winds. Good luck evacuating in your electric car in bumper to bumper traffic. And how you going to charge it up after a storm when power has been out for days?

So many holes in the pie in sky green dreams.. nuclear and fossil fuels work…period.

pablo cruze 10-07-2021 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2013914)
This year we have experienced stronger storms, more frequent floods, droughts, forest fires, rising seas, melting glaciers, etc. Most people will agree that global warming, caused by the release of carbon dioxide into the air, is a primary driver of catastrophic weather events that will seriously impact the quality of life our children and grandchildren will inherit from us. The Villages is uniquely positioned to lead the nation in remediating the harmful effects of ongoing carbon dioxide pollution.

It would be a source of pride for all Villagers if the developer of The Villages, the preeminent builder in central Florida, and an enormously profitable business, would announce one of its forthcoming villages would be a “Solar Village.” Every house and public building in the solar village could be partially solar-powered.

As it has led in planned community development, The Villages can lead the nation in sustainable community development.

I plan to install solar on my home, after I complete my other projects. My reason is to reduce my monthly costs, so I will need to make sure the business case is solid. I know the component costs are coming down, and the efficiency is going up. There is tax credit to offset the investment.

Problem is that there are a bunch of sales people from different companies that don't know what they are talking about. The don't know anything about the systems that they are trying to pawn. Their spiel is to say that you will get it for free, in that your monthly payment to them will be the same or less than the cost of paying your current electric bill. The roll in the tax credit to make it look good. Their system cost is triple of what it should actually cost. If the developer were negotiate a system with a supplier, it would be much more cost effective.

Oh, also even if I use 0.00 KW in a month, I still need to pay SECO $1 per day. What a scam.

Of course the solar system is clean and green, but money talks. If a new home were to have the solar power installed, the cost to build the home would increase about $8000 on average, but they could charge $13K - $14K extra to the home buyer, and it would still be a good value to the homebuyer, while the developer makes more profit. If they want to do a whole village like this or at least a section of a village, it would be pretty cool. Better yet, if they could let customers spec if they what the system or not, and perhaps let them chose the system capacity, or even if they want storage batteries to use stored energy at night.

I know people that spend a lot to have a backup generator; putting that invested amount toward solar energy production is financially more sensible.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2013914)
This year we have experienced stronger storms, more frequent floods, droughts, forest fires, rising seas, melting glaciers, etc. Most people will agree that global warming, caused by the release of carbon dioxide into the air, is a primary driver of catastrophic weather events that will seriously impact the quality of life our children and grandchildren will inherit from us. The Villages is uniquely positioned to lead the nation in remediating the harmful effects of ongoing carbon dioxide pollution.

It would be a source of pride for all Villagers if the developer of The Villages, the preeminent builder in central Florida, and an enormously profitable business, would announce one of its forthcoming villages would be a “Solar Village.” Every house and public building in the solar village could be partially solar-powered.

As it has led in planned community development, The Villages can lead the nation in sustainable community development.

I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOWER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

HORNET 10-07-2021 12:33 PM

Global changes are on frequencies, Democrats believe that if they throw enough of our tax dollars out they will become richer and they know that it is a scam that they started during Gore’s time!

Number 10 GI 10-07-2021 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Notsocrates (Post 2014258)
1. Cows cannot digest grass (cellulose) because they lack the enzyme, cellulase, needed to metabolize that carbohydrate.

2. They are able to nourish themselves by having gut bacteria who do have cellulase. The end product of this metabolism is called carbon dioxide and is passed via the rectum which is called a fart.

Have you ever lived on a farm with cattle? I did and I never heard a cow fart.

JMintzer 10-07-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014363)
I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOVER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

You moved into a golf course/golf cart community and you're surprised there are a lot of golf courses and golf carts?

I wish I could think of some way, just some thing you could do to make you happy...

Number 10 GI 10-07-2021 01:52 PM

I did some quick searching and found that and there are an estimated 989 million head of cattle in the world and 7.8 billion humans. So who do you think is generating the most methane from farts. A human on the average passes gas 10 to 18 times a day, that's a lot of gas.

zendog3 10-07-2021 02:22 PM

WowI! OP replies
 
Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013941)
Please tell me that is a tongue in cheek joke, please. No one, perhaps with the exception of Al Gore, should believe any of this "global warming" garbage that is being shoved down our throats, although PT Barnum was right when he said that there is one born every minute. I have explained at least a dozen times that we have been in an ice age for 4+ million years with cyclical periods of glaciation and thaws (and therefore periods of warming and cooling). We have been through both the warming and cooling limbs of this cycle at least 2 dozen times in that period and 2 things are true-----
1) we are still here
2) It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUV'S OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITY OF MAN

Our kids and grandkids?????? Not likely, although our descendants in about 15,000 years will live at the peak of the warming cycle and our coastal cities will be under 100 feet of water. But don't break out the sunscreen and swim trunks just yet, because 30,000 years after that, NY City will again be under 2 miles of ice.

But, if anyone doesn't understand the simple science behind paleoclimatology, then by all means let's spend 100 trillion dollars over the next 40 years to combat "global warming" What a joke!

PS: This is not to denigrate solar power---it is a good thing and there are plenty of reasons to utilize it. However "global warming" is NOT one of them

Solar power, wind power, tide power, electric generation from waterfalls, even nuclear power (if we can keep it under control) - they are all better than coal or oil and gasoline. And why make the middle east wealthy and powerful - they NEVER did anything for us except cause us problems?

zendog3 10-07-2021 02:37 PM

Solar village is a possibility
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014363)
I wish that you would run for local politics. But, you are too idealistic about TV Land. It is set up to make $$$$ and not for social good! It is one of the most backward places that I have ever lived in! Like dark-ages backward. Sit down in a foldup chair in ANY residential TV Land street with pretty much Golf Car traffic. Wait until a Golf Car goes past you for about 60 feet. Then start taking deep breaths and use your nose. Most are gas Golf Cars and unless brand new will smell like you poured gasoline on your own shirt! They STINK, STINK, STINK, AND MORE STINK. The drivers are moving into fresh air so they do NOT realize what a terrible thing they are doing to TV Landers and even the upper atmosphere. Notice that when a regular car or small truck goes by they don't stink sometimes NOT at all. And what are the health effects on an older population, some with allergies, asthma, or other serious problems?

But GOLF is KING in TV land. So, no one BETTER say a bad word about the polluting machines called golf cars. And put the screws to the environment even though these small gas machines are polluting more than the larger smog control devices protected large vehicles. And then there is the LAWN MOVER polluting MACHINES BURNING gasoline. And the 2-STROKE 120 DB noise blasting leaf blowers - do THEY get a pass. I know that there are a bizzillion OIL lobbyists pushing for more gas usage - but this is BEYOND ridiculous!

So, if they can't fix what is right in front of their nose? - How can I expect them to fix or be in ANY way helpful in combating global warming. Not going to happen in this state - in this lifetime. They might talk some words about getting with a GREEN program. But, the real GREEN is what will be priority numero uno! So good luck and when you tire of changing those minds - please join MY club for the jousting of windmills!

Many folks on this list have said the developer is only interested in money. I could not disagree more.

The lot my house is built on backs to a golf course and pond. I paid about $100,000 for that view. I drive about one-quarter of a mile on Hillsborough beside the same view when I leave my home. The developer is not stupid. They knew they could have moved the street and sold every sixty feet of that view for $100,000. The developer, long ago, made more money than they will ever spend. Some rich man once said, “After a certain amount, money is only a way to keep score.”

I believe one of the primary interests of the developer is their legacy. When the members of the family, like their parents before them, die, I think they want to be remembered, not for their immense wealth, but for the community they created. That is why tie idea of a solar village is a possibility.

golfing eagles 10-07-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2014409)
Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

First---Wikipedia??????. Pllleeeezzzzzzeeeeeee

Second----all those "original scientific papers" were paid for by.....wait for it.....government grants.

Third, unless you grandchildren live to be 15,000 years old, they have nothing to worry about.

just goes to prove P.T. Barnum was right

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2013971)
OP, are you suggesting that every house and building in an entire village have solar panels installed on the roof? Do you also want the taxpayers to fund tax credits for these systems? It would be much more efficient and effective for the power company to produce some of their power using solar panels at their plant. Solar systems for individual houses in The Villages are not sensible or cost effective.

If someone believes that solar panels are NOT sensible, then it is also NOT sensible to have had children and grandchildren and then great-grandchildren that will suffer in their lungs for oil-derived fuel when an electric car or truck is non-polluting, in itself and at the factory that produces it. They are simpler to build and last longer and are easier to maintain. That's about a win/ win/ win/win! The only other solution to US pollution is to MANDATE each married couple to have a maximum of 2 children. And, I know how much you-all LOVE MANDATES.
.......And, of course, those grandchildren WILL fall prey to a famous old philosopher that said, " wars and petulance" will control the levels of population". So, teach those grandchildren to shoot - they will have the unwashed hordes coming for their fat-city wealth and take it away (AND their lives). So, don't buy a Prius or a Tesla - and from heaven or wherever, you can watch them perish!

retiredguy123 10-07-2021 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014421)
If someone believes that solar panels are NOT sensible, then it is also NOT sensible to have had children and grandchildren and then great-grandchildren that will suffer in their lungs for oil-derived fuel when an electric car or truck is non-polluting, in itself and at the factory that produces it. They are simpler to build and last longer and are easier to maintain. That's about a win/ win/ win/win! The only other solution to US pollution is to MANDATE each married couple to have a maximum of 2 children. And, I know how much you-all LOVE MANDATES.
.......And, of course, those grandchildren WILL fall prey to a famous old philosopher that said, " wars and petulance" will control the levels of population". So, teach those grandchildren to shoot - they will have the unwashed hordes coming for their fat-city wealth and take it away (AND their lives). So, don't buy a Prius or a Tesla - and from heaven or wherever, you can watch them perish!

I didn't say that solar panels are not sensible. I said that solar panels attached to an asphalt shingle roof in The Villages to provide an inadequate amount of electricity for an individual house is not sensible or cost effective.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2013983)
I grew up on a farm where we had a lot of cows. They do not fart, they cannot fart! Cows have a ruminant stomach comprised of 4 separate compartments. If an animal with a ruminant stomach eats fresh clover hay, gas will build up in the stomach and eventually swell the stomach to where it will interfere with breathing and stop the heart causing death. The animal with a ruminant stomach cannot pass the gas. Horses are different case, they fart loudly and often.

I did NOT know that ........thank you........I was believing the cow-exit-gas theory. Now I will put my dunce cap on and sit in a corner and meditate on why it is known that the Atlantic ocean is rising and temperature is rising and 97% of all scientists believe that the rise is man-made!

NoMoSno 10-07-2021 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014421)
If someone believes that solar panels are NOT sensible, then it is also NOT sensible to have had children and grandchildren and then great-grandchildren that will suffer in their lungs for oil-derived fuel when an electric car or truck is non-polluting, in itself and at the factory that produces it. They are simpler to build and last longer and are easier to maintain. That's about a win/ win/ win/win! The only other solution to US pollution is to MANDATE each married couple to have a maximum of 2 children. And, I know how much you-all LOVE MANDATES.
.......And, of course, those grandchildren WILL fall prey to a famous old philosopher that said, " wars and petulance" will control the levels of population". So, teach those grandchildren to shoot - they will have the unwashed hordes coming for their fat-city wealth and take it away (AND their lives). So, don't buy a Prius or a Tesla - and from heaven or wherever, you can watch them perish!

Does your house run on solar panels?

Neils 10-07-2021 03:22 PM

Fossils do not lie!!! Cooling and warming cycles are normal and not man made.
Follow the science

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2013988)
That was to be expected.

Unfortunately, the powers that be have inundated and permeated the people's thinking that they are not capable of discerning the reality of our climate.

Joseph Goebbels put it best:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Interesting Goebbels quote. Reminds me of the same philosophy that lawyer Roy Cohen exposed and lived by.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2014042)
Besides not being cost effective, I think solar panels are unsightly and actually deface the home. We will NEVER have solar panels on any home we own.

And it is also going to be "unsightly' when hordes of starving peasants storm NORTHWARD and throw / evict all the people in Florida and the rest of the US. Same thing will be happening in Europe! We will be dead, but our grandkids will be alive (for a while) and maybe we will be able to root for them as they try to cross the Canadian border and NOT get shot or imprisoned by the Canadian Mounties. Come on Jason don't give up, stay hidden in that cave. OH NO! I hope he is only wounded.
.....And windmills are unsightly, but don't worry, the Florida Tourist Industry lobbyists will prevent those ("unsightly") terrible, noisy machines. At least solar panels are quiet!

thevillages2013 10-07-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2014398)
I did some quick searching and found that and there are an estimated 989 million head of cattle in the world and 7.8 billion humans. So who do you think is generating the most methane from farts. A human on the average passes gas 10 to 18 times a day, that's a lot of gas.

Pull my finger:bigbow:

NoMoSno 10-07-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014447)
And it is also going to be "unsightly' when hordes of starving peasants storm NORTHWARD and throw / evict all the people in Florida and the rest of the US. Same thing will be happening in Europe! We will be dead, but our grandkids will be alive (for a while) and maybe we will be able to root for them as they try to cross the Canadian border and NOT get shot or imprisoned by the Canadian Mounties. Come on Jason don't give up, stay hidden in that cave. OH NO! I hope he is only wounded.
.....And windmills are unsightly, but don't worry, the Florida Tourist Industry lobbyists will prevent those ("unsightly") terrible, noisy machines. At least solar panels are quiet!

Loosen up the tinfoil.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2014118)
Maybe these things are happening because we are getting closer to the rapture.

Good one! That made me laugh - a good hearty laugh, thanks!

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mambeg (Post 2014128)
Nothing is free. Remember all solar panels will be in land fills in about 25 years, they do not last forever. China burns tons of coal fired mills to make the panels. The electrical infrastructure in the USA is about 1/2 of what we need at this point to charge the anticipated electrical cars we will all owns some day. Solar and wind generation will not be enough. If you want to do something, start at home. Look at the garbage we all throw out. All bought and paid for and will end up in a land fill or burnt.

AS to junk thrown out. Toys could be made from wood, which is a natural renewable, instead of plastic - which is based on oil, which is a finite quantity. Lots of things are and can be made out of wood. Because of global warming and overpopulation, the US is losing much of its valuable, renewable, wood resources. We worry greatly about oil spills and oil is a short-term, limited resource. It is US land and forests that we should be worried about. And because of global warming, our forests have more insect pests in them than ever before - it is a bad cycle that we are in!
..... And I could be, just as well, talking about WATER - that is being wasted on pecans and other water-wasting crops.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerseyborn (Post 2014148)
We're from NJ where solar is installed for free with the company taking a %of the profits from the energy collected. Super surprised this is not available in the Sunshine State

Don't be surprised......going from the Northeast to Florida......is like going on a fast time train back toward the dark ages. Well at least We have the Sales Tax, which is bad - but we can sluff most of it off onto the tourists.

Number 10 GI 10-07-2021 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014431)
I did NOT know that ........thank you........I was believing the cow-exit-gas theory. Now I will put my dunce cap on and sit in a corner and meditate on why it is known that the Atlantic ocean is rising and temperature is rising and 97% of all scientists believe that the rise is man-made!

Tell me how the ocean can be higher in the Atlantic and the other oceans aren't. Approximately 71% of the world is covered by water. All these oceans are connected to each other, so if one rises so will the rest. If 50 people go into a swimming pool at one end does the water not rise equally at the other end?
That 97% of all scientists is total BS, it is an invented number. There is no way you are going to get 97% of any group to agree on anything.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tadpole (Post 2014219)
❣️🥰❤️ THANK YOU, THANK YOU❣️ This is SO WELL said and written that I'm saving it to respond to the *%(*)*& climate goofs.

Only since there are only 2 sides here, then which side IS the nasty, dreaded "climate goofs"? Since THAT logically depends on which side someone is on?

fcgiii 10-07-2021 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2014431)
I did NOT know that ........thank you........I was believing the cow-exit-gas theory. Now I will put my dunce cap on and sit in a corner and meditate on why it is known that the Atlantic ocean is rising and temperature is rising and 97% of all scientists believe that the rise is man-made!

There are six major sources of atmospheric methane: emission from anaerobic decomposition in (1) natural wetlands; (2) paddy rice fields; (3) emission from livestock production systems (including intrinsic fermentation and animal waste); (4) biomass burning (including forest fires, charcoal combustion, and firewood burning); (5) anaerobic decomposition of organic waste in landfills; and (6) fossil methane emission during the exploration and transport of fossil fuels.

90 to 95 percent of the methane released by cows comes out of their mouths, while 5 to 10 percent is released in the form of manure and flatulence.

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter (Post 2014243)
If you want to really create a change, go after the biggest users and polluters, like China!
They don’t really care about the environment. Just churning out cheap crap that nobody ever really needs.
If you want a change, stop buying from them and support those who are like minded. If nobody buys the crap they produce then production will fall and less pollution.

Wish granted! China's production has been dropping off lately because of the backup at US ports for unloading products. China won't make what it can't sell quickly. And US vehicle production and other line production has slowed down big-time because we depend on just-in-time delivery of PARTS. So, now we have just-in-time gotten out of time and way-behind-time and nobody gets their new Chevy or Ford. so sad! And that hurts China and hurts the US stock market. Which hurts the US economy and labor, in general.
....Don't know if it IS affecting Europe or not?

jimjamuser 10-07-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2014379)
You moved into a golf course/golf cart community and you're surprised there are a lot of golf courses and golf carts?

I wish I could think of some way, just some thing you could do to make you happy...

Having ALL ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS and electric mowers would make me and our mother (mother earth) VERY happy. I am doing my part and getting BOTH! Now it is your turn to be nice to Mother! And my mower is a 20-inch push Kobalt that is quiet as a"Dream Machine". She pushes easily and never refuses me (to start). I named her ....Ginger Peachy! And she has long sharp nails.....I mean blade. What more can a tool-man desire?

JMintzer 10-07-2021 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2014398)
I did some quick searching and found that and there are an estimated 989 million head of cattle in the world and 7.8 billion humans. So who do you think is generating the most methane from farts. A human on the average passes gas 10 to 18 times a day, that's a lot of gas.

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JMintzer 10-07-2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zendog3 (Post 2014409)
Wow! I was aware there were still people who disagreed that global climate change was a fact and that people were the primary cause, but I am amazed by the passion of some readers.

Your opinion was common in the '70s, but the consensus among scientists studying climate has moved. Perhaps you should take another look at the science.

It is not reasonable to expect any reader of this list to read all the primary science. Instead, we must select our sources and evaluate not the scientific research but the authority of the source. Bush, Gore, Trump, Hannity, Biden, etc., are not the people we should trust in matters where there is a scientific answer. Because the stakes are so high, we need to consider the words and writings of scientists researching this field.

I refer you to Wikipedia for a summary, where a long and meticulously documented article is waiting.

Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia

People violently opposed to the idea of global warming will not read an article that attacks their fundamental beliefs. People skeptical may look at the charts and graphs. However, anyone with faith in science who reads the report can not help but be persuaded by the consensus statement quoted here:

Academic studies of scientific agreement on human-caused global warming among climate experts (2010–2019) reflect that the level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science.[302][303]
There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases, with 90–100% (depending on the exact question, timing and sampling methodology) of publishing climate scientists agreeing.[304] The consensus has grown to 100% among research scientists on anthropogenic global warming as of 2019.[305] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.[306] Consensus has further developed that some form of action should be taken to protect people against the impacts of climate change, and national science academies have called on world leaders to cut global emissions.[307]

The Wikipedia article is backed with pages and pages of citations to original scientific papers.

Most of us will die in a world where the earth's temperature is still rising and climate catastrophe is growing. It is for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren that we need to act now.

People "violently" opposed?

Gimme a break...

The Caretaker 10-07-2021 06:26 PM

Maybe California would be a better place for you to retire.


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