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jimjamuser 03-15-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2198136)
Oh contrare. They do have a say in the taxes. Look at the whole impact fee debacle in Sumter County. Also they sold the water uitilties at an inflated price set by their favorite apprasiers and now the system all off a sudden needs 26 million in repairs 3 years after the sale. That 26 mill will result in substanial hikes in the water and sewer rates.

Ah Yes, the old "end around" tax increase.

Velvet 03-15-2023 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2198167)
This is hog wash! Myself and many of my neighbors walk anywhere SAFELY. WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION?

Bogie, I appreciate and respect your seniority here. But I can’t walk safely to an appointment from Mallory. I can to a rec center or pool. And I have lovely sidewalks available on Odell too. The side streets are safe enough - if that is what you mean. Now my aunt’s streets in district 1 are way more busy than before, and no sidewalks. People drive through from the South to go to shopping area etc. There was no “south” previously.

JSR22 03-15-2023 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2198172)
How could MASS TRANSPORTATION be TOO expensive when the users of the service WILL PAY for the service? NY subways and San Fransisco trolley cars are paid for by the fees collected. Plus the service would make a profit. Has anyone REALLY studied the issue? I am NOT saying that a bus line needs to run every 15 minutes. Twice a day might work for many people. They could take a sandwich and read a book while at the Doctor's waiting room. Businesses like Publix and Target might be willing to kick in some startup money because their sales might go up 10 %.
.........I doubt very much that a mass transit system has ever been researched and proposed here. It is easiest to just ASSUME that something like that won't work because so many retirees have Golf Carts. But a blind person or a special needs person can't drive a Golf Cart. And many older people go blind from macular degeneration. And many people would take a bus IF that WERE an option here. Car insurance is going up and gas prices are going up.

.Honestly don't see mass transit coming to TV. You can have groceries and restaurant food delivered. Order almost anything and have delivered. Need to go to a Doctor use Uber. Where would bus stations be located? People who have physical handicaps or are blind cannot wal to and from a bus stop. There comes a point where people have to move. That's life.

jimjamuser 03-15-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2198140)
The area was smaller, everything more easily accessible. Much less traffic. Neighbors really helped each other, turnover was less. And Mr Shwartz actually considered the residents’ problems as well as their entertainment. I am not saying he wasn’t shrewd financially, just that he also cared for people - not just for their money. TV was a Village as the name implies, not a city as the population is now. Can we go back? No. We always have to proceed forwards that is the only direction time goes. But we seem to be proceeding unilaterally like the Silicon Valley Bank, hedging the main bets on younger (active) naive people - who will grow older and will be in the majority here - it’ll be a lot of people to have to throw out. And I’m wondering how they’ll like it.

Those are good points and, obviously, you knew Mr. Shwartz, who incidentally I have NEVER heard a BAD word about. And how things were in the REAL "good old days" of TV Bubbleland.
......As to we can't go back - anything is ALWAYS possible. We here in TV Land will NOT stand still, but we (and the whole US) could go forward into the BRIGHT SUNLIGHT of PROGRESS or backslide into the DARKNESS of an economic recession or other problems. The future is NOT ours to see!
......And one thing is sure and predicted by scientists - that our summers will continue getting HOTTER - the Gulf waters getting WARMER - causing likely greater hurricanes and destruction on the keys and both coasts - with the accompanying INCREASE in insurance RATES statewide. Also, heat exhaustion for older residents due to temperature and humidity rising.
.........You can try, but you CAN'T fight your MOTHER.........MOTHER NATURE.

Fredster 03-15-2023 04:08 PM

Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.

jimjamuser 03-15-2023 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2198162)
I think you are right, at least I hope so. (My uncle knew Harold Schwartz from a previously life, it was Mr. Shwartz who invited my uncle and aunt to live here. They never regretted it.) This place has an honorable history and may it continue.

Public mass transportation COULD hopefully become a REALITY if enough people would talk about it on forums and get the younger 60-year-olds to be AWARE that THEY may need it in 20 years.
......It is possible, of course, that in 10 years DRIVERLESS cars BECOME practical. And maybe driverless Golf Carts and even lawnmowers......wouldn't that be sweet, no more insane commercial lawn people driving like insane Benovos and parking trucks in the middle of the street........ah yes, one can only DREAM.

Bogie Shooter 03-15-2023 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 2198181)
Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.

👍👍,..

jimjamuser 03-15-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2198167)
This is hog wash! Myself and many of my neighbors walk anywhere SAFELY. WHY ARE YOU SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION?

She is a WOMAN for crying out loud! A man can walk around ANYWHERE at night safely here in TV Land Bubble without worrying about their SAFETY. A WOMAN can NOT! Big difference! Maybe a group of women could or one that knew KARATE and was packing HEAT.
........Many people have said that there are many ADULT (and weird-looking) grandkids of Villages residents that live here. This place has CHANGED rapidly for the WORSE since the PANDEMIC hit. Society has changed toward the MORE violent. The last 3 years have had increasing MURDERS nationwide. Just watch the stories on Orlando news about the FREQUENT robberies and MURDERS. No woman in her right mind would walk the streets of The Villages at night with all the characters and drunks coming home from the squares.

Velvet 03-15-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 2198181)
Where does the notion that a real estate developer should take care of you in your twilight years come from?
Is it just a carry over from the notion that government should be responsible for your personal welfare?
My recollection of situations where my aging relatives needed care in home or otherwise, they if they could, and the family made arrangements.

Where does it come from? From Mr Schwartz himself. He was not “a developer” but a person. He started an amazing community and I know it’s hard to imagine but he actually cared for people, and in his honor I will leave it there.

I think maybe self-driving cars will be of help to the elderly. Hopefully those cars will manage the roundabouts!

JMintzer 03-15-2023 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2198172)
How could MASS TRANSPORTATION be TOO expensive when the users of the service WILL PAY for the service? NY subways and San Fransisco trolley cars are paid for by the fees collected. Plus the service would make a profit. Has anyone REALLY studied the issue? I am NOT saying that a bus line needs to run every 15 minutes. Twice a day might work for many people. They could take a sandwich and read a book while at the Doctor's waiting room. Businesses like Publix and Target might be willing to kick in some startup money because their sales might go up 10 %.
.........I doubt very much that a mass transit system has ever been researched and proposed here. It is easiest to just ASSUME that something like that won't work because so many retirees have Golf Carts. But a blind person or a special needs person can't drive a Golf Cart. And many older people go blind from macular degeneration. And many people would take a bus IF that WERE an option here. Car insurance is going up and gas prices are going up.

Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?

JMintzer 03-15-2023 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2198194)
Where does it come from? From Mr Schwartz himself. He was not “a developer” but a person. He started an amazing community and I know it’s hard to imagine but he actually cared for people, and in his honor I will leave it there.

I think maybe self-driving cars will be of help to the elderly. Hopefully those cars will manage the roundabouts!

Then why didn't he plan for public transportation for those who could no longer drive? (Not really directed at you...)

John Mayes 03-15-2023 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2198239)
Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?


There you go with fact’s again……

Papa_lecki 03-15-2023 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2198242)
Then why didn't he plan for public transportation for those who could no longer drive? (Not really directed at you...)

The Developer built a multi BILLION dollar industry. People really think they didn’t consider some sort of public transportation? I would bet 90% of the residents prefer their car or golf cart vs a bus or trolley.

If it’s such a great idea, someone would have done it - after all, the roads are public, the Developer can’t stop them.

rustyp 03-16-2023 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2197909)
The flowers are paid for through 4 basic avenues:
1. around the amenities - postal stations, gate houses, pools, rec centers - from the Amenity Funds (SLAD & RAD)
2. in common areas like the traffic circles on Morse & BV, and other major thoroughfares - this comes out of the PWF south of 466, north of 466 from the CDD1-4 individual budgets.
3. areas such as cul de sac, villa entries, and other minor areas in the individual CDD - directly from the CDD budget
4. town square areas - these are paid for by the maintenance assessments on the buildings (the occupying tenant businesses), these assessments are 10 to 12 times higher per square foot of floor space than is paid by the residents in the CDDs

Item 1 - you pay for from your monthly amenity fees.
Items 2 & 3 - you pay for from the residential maintenance assessments included in your annual property tax bill.
Item 4 - you pay for out of the costs for every dinner, drink, dress, and bobble you purchase when you do business in the town squares.

Sounds like item 4 is the developer to me. Exactly at which point in the food chain does the developer get to declare it was THEIR money ? Under your philosophy I must own a part of Amazon.

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Stu from NYC 03-16-2023 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2198239)
Wrong again...

"How much is the NYC subway subsidized?

The largest share of MTA revenue — $7.222 billion — comes from dedicated taxes and subsidies the Authority receives from the cities and states that we serve. Another $6.870 billion comes from fares and tolls."

BART in San Francisco?

"Is BART funded by government?

The operating budget funds the annual operation and maintenance of the BART system. Operating budget sources include passenger and parking revenue, taxes, and financial assistance from local, state and federal sources."

And the Cable Cars?

SFMTA Says They Need $625 Million to Fix the Cable Cars

Let's look at the DC Metro System...

"How does Metro get money?

About 1/3 of Metro Transit's operating budget is covered by fares and advertising revenue, the remainder comes from regional, state, federal, county and other sources (see Metro Transit's annual Fact Book for additional detail)."

How about SEPTA in Philly"

"Is SEPTA subsidized?

To make up for the $989,200,000 gap in operating expenses for FY2021, SEPTA receives 65% of its FY2021 income from federal, state, and local government subsidies."

And Amtrak?

"Does Amtrak receive government subsidies?

In conjunction with operating revenues and funds from states, local governments, and other entities, Amtrak uses federal funds for a wide range of its operating and capital activities, including a portion of its operating expenses, capital maintenance of fleet and infrastructure, capital expansion and investment ..."

Shall I continue?

There you go again, confusing people with the facts.

JMintzer 03-16-2023 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mayes (Post 2198248)
There you go with fact’s again……

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2198404)
There you go again, confusing people with the facts.

Not to worry... The same (incorrect) argument will pop up in the near future, and again and again and again...

Bogie Shooter 03-16-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2198191)
She is a WOMAN for crying out loud! A man can walk around ANYWHERE at night safely here in TV Land Bubble without worrying about their SAFETY. A WOMAN can NOT! Big difference! Maybe a group of women could or one that knew KARATE and was packing HEAT.
........Many people have said that there are many ADULT (and weird-looking) grandkids of Villages residents that live here. This place has CHANGED rapidly for the WORSE since the PANDEMIC hit. Society has changed toward the MORE violent. The last 3 years have had increasing MURDERS nationwide. Just watch the stories on Orlando news about the FREQUENT robberies and MURDERS. No woman in her right mind would walk the streets of The Villages at night with all the characters and drunks coming home from the squares.

There you go again expanding the post I was referring to. Now a single woman at night.
Always changing the topic to fit your narrative………..

jimjamuser 03-17-2023 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2198454)
There you go again expanding the post I was referring to. Now a single woman at night.
Always changing the topic to fit your narrative………..

Sorry when people disagree with me, but isn't that to be expected? I have a point of view and others have another. That's what Democracy and America are all about. Not everyone in America agreed with the course that Abraham Lincoln took. Not that I am in his league. I am in the Peanut league comparatively.

Bogie Shooter 03-17-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2198679)
Sorry when people disagree with me, but isn't that to be expected? I have a point of view and others have another. That's what Democracy and America are all about. Not everyone in America agreed with the course that Abraham Lincoln took. Not that I am in his league. I am in the Peanut league comparatively.

On every topic.......................

jimjamuser 03-17-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2198684)
On every topic.......................

True that. I agree completely.

LuvNH 03-17-2023 10:34 AM

If JimJamUser is such a pain in the neck, why don't people just block him?

I think you all secretly like arguing with him.

Michael 61 03-17-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2198738)
If JimJamUser is such a pain in the neck, why don't people just block him?

I think you all secretly like arguing with him.

I blocked him last month, and my experience and enjoyment on this site improved dramatically 😀

LuvNH 03-17-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2198752)
I blocked him last month, and my experience and enjoyment on this site improved dramatically 😀

Several years ago there was a woman on here every day and for some reason I could not stand her or her posts. After I blocked her my stress level dropped to zero:D

But, I have noticed there is almost a "club" who just have to answer his posts and he knows he has you and pulls your chains every day. I think he is just enjoying the reaction.

jimjamuser 03-17-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2198762)
Several years ago there was a woman on here every day and for some reason I could not stand her or her posts. After I blocked her my stress level dropped to zero:D

But, I have noticed there is almost a "club" who just have to answer his posts and he knows he has you and pulls your chains every day. I think he is just enjoying the reaction.

I wasn't "enjoying others' reactions" before so much as I was just stating my opinions just to state them and be a part of this thing called a FORUM. NOW, however, that you mentioned it, I DID enjoy your reaction. So, maybe "reacting" is a healthy part of a Democratic dialog on a FORUM.

LuvNH 03-17-2023 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2198766)
I wasn't "enjoying others' reactions" before so much as I was just stating my opinions just to state them and be a part of this thing called a FORUM. NOW, however, that you mentioned it, I DID enjoy your reaction. So, maybe "reacting" is a healthy part of a Democratic dialog on a FORUM.

There is your poof guys ..... he is reacting to me now, however, I could care less and will not bait him. I'll leave that to you ................

Kenswing 03-17-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2198738)
If JimJamUser is such a pain in the neck, why don't people just block him?

I think you all secretly like arguing with him.

Unfortunately, even when you block someone you still have to see their nonsense as soon as someone quotes him. But in general it is a more enjoyable forum experience when he's blocked.

Stu from NYC 03-17-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2198738)
If JimJamUser is such a pain in the neck, why don't people just block him?

I think you all secretly like arguing with him.

Very easy to scroll on by most of the time


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