Originally Posted by LindenLindy (Post 2459209)

Paper (bags) is natural… Plastic is not and NEVER breaks down.

Originally Posted by LindenLindy (Post 2459209)

Paper (bags) is natural… Plastic is not and NEVER breaks down.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459147)

Energy? How? How much? Any "waste" or "byproducts" with that? Like smoke, soot, toxic run-off, etc containing microplastics? Inquiring minds want to know!

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)

Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2459016)

I remember people taking both types. They would put the paper bag inside the plastic bag, so they had "handles".

Originally Posted by RoseyRed (Post 2459023)

Years ago, paper was used prior to plastic bags. Paper would be much better for the environment, but getting the general population to use it is a challenge.

Originally Posted by RoseyRed (Post 2459024)

wow! did not know that

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459147)

Energy? How? How much? Any "waste" or "byproducts" with that? Like smoke, soot, toxic run-off, etc containing microplastics? Inquiring minds want to know!

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)

Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2458948)

Sorry, but I like the plastic bags and I will keep using them.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2458954)

If I don't put my groceries into plastic bags from the check-out, then I'll have to buy plastic bags so I can clean the litter-box every day. I much prefer to re-use. I also use these bags for the little waste bins under each of our two bathroom sinks, and I don't throw them away until they're completely filled up. Usually once every month or so. I ALSO keep a couple of them in my car, in case I have trash from the drive-through or candy wrappers or whatever else. I ALSO keep a few in my suitcase, so when I'm visiting family, I have a place to put my dirty clothes at bedtime.

I say - use whatever makes you comfortable but IF you choose plastic, make every effort to re-use them.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2458960)

Good post, solid logic.

For those who wish to ban plastic bags, what do you propose as an alternative? What will I pick up dog poop with? What will we put our garbage in at the curb?

Reduce and reuse: Yes
Eliminate: No

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2458966)

So in New Jersey, plastic bags are illegal. All groceries come in a petroleum based, type bag. You know what we do with those bags, throw them away.
Know what we did with the old plastic bags, put them in the bathroom trash cans, picked up dog poops, etc.
Now we also need to buy poop bags.

Originally Posted by luvdancin (Post 2459083)

I just had to comment on this. I lived in CA for 25 years. They did away with bags. So, you have these people who bring gross, cockroach infested, meat juice covered bags that are left in their filthy trunk. Those bags go on the counter contaminatinating everything else. Just saying that it was not a good thing. I use my bags in the car, waste baskets and over and over again. I was SO happy that FL didn't do away with their bags.

Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2459253)

Have you tried picking up a squidgy dog poop with a paper bag?

Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2459327)

They do make biodegradable plastic bags. Try using them.

Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2459325)

Evidently you don't care about the environment, only your own convenience. Typical Villager.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2459345)

, and we all do what we can, given our circumstances.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459353)

If only that was true, the planet would be a much cleaner, healthier and more beautiful place.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2459302)

Paper bags are notorious for containing insect larvae.

Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2459323)

We can do the same and should make all plastics go away.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2459345)

They're more expensive, and make use of more fossil fuels in manufacture and components. Most of the plastic grocery bags you see in supermarkets are made from recycled plastic, not virgin petroleum. Re-using them is more economic for me, and we all do what we can, given our circumstances.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459362)

And human being would be so much unhappier being slaves to the “environment” whatever that is. Sorry it is whatever environmentalist define it to be. While I initially fully supported them, when they became absolutely unreasonable and it became an ideology rather than a science, we parted ways.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459362)

And human being would be so much unhappier being slaves to the “environment” whatever that is. Sorry it is whatever environmentalist define it to be. While I initially fully supported them, when they became absolutely unreasonable and it became an ideology rather than a science, we parted ways.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2459386)

Link to source?
A Google search came up empty, which leads me to believe it may be an urban myth.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2459388)

So will we make automobiles? TV's? Computers? Printers? Telephones? Lights?

Let's just go back to the 1800's and hunt for our dinner.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2459390)

Agree 100%. Ideology may even be too mild of a term. Religion might be more accurate.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459396)

All life contributes to and, to some degree, are "slaves" to their environment. And what is "unreasonable" to one may be absolutely necessary for another. "Reasonable" is a matter of opinion. Environmentalism is rooted in and based on the current scientific knowledge and data.
Sounds to me like you just got tired of trying to do the right thing. Like the person that left their empty drink cup on the wall at Aldi's today because it was too much effort to walk 10 ft to the trash can to dispose of it properly.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459396)

Environmentalism is rooted in and based on the current scientific knowledge and data.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459402)

Growing up, I used to find roaches, silverfish and other bugs often when getting bags from the stack in the grocery stores. Mom let me shield her from the creepy crawlies. Personal experience, not Google.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2459413)

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459416)

I just got tired of them making various excuses for flagellating people (can I give your example as a mild case?). It got old real fast.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459416)

I just got tired of them making various excuses for flagellating people (can I give your example as a mild case?). It got old real fast.

Originally Posted by Randy M (Post 2459296)

We recycle all our plastic shopping & household plastic bags. Walmart, Publix & Lowes (and a few other stores I would think) all have containers at each entrance for plastic bags. We just hang a plastic bag in our garage and instead of throwing the plastic bag in the trash, just put it in that recycling bag instead. When it get's full, (which doesn't take long), we just take it along with us on our frequent shopping trips and put it in the bin on the way into the store. Very easy and convenient. Wish everyone did this.

Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2459325)

Evidently you don't care about the environment, only your own convenience. Typical Villager.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2459386)

Link to source?
A Google search came up empty, which leads me to believe it may be an urban myth.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2459420)

So anecdotal rather than factual.

Maybe it was the store or the supplier, rather than the bag being made of paper? Correlation does not imply causation.

Why do people believe things to be true based on isolated, anecdotal experience rather than facts? SMH

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459416)

I just got tired of them making various excuses for flagellating people (can I give your example as a mild case?). It got old real fast.

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)

Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2459447)

I've discussed the incineration plant which serves The Villages which turns plastic into energy. No plastic at all in land fills and the plastics are turned into energy. What about that?

Originally Posted by Rodneysblue (Post 2459470)

But they told us to use plastic to save the trees.