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Darield 09-07-2025 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2459028)
Years ago up north, they started charging 5 cents per plastic bag which led a lot of people to reuse. Now most grocery stores don't even offer plastic bags. You bring your own, or pay for a sturdy reusable bag.
As far as garbage is concerned, I agree, plastic bags are necessary. But I strongly disagree with the grocery size plastic bags being used for single use dog waste. What a waste!!! Even the smaller grocery veggie bags or buying dog waste bags seems a lot more reasonable IMHO.

I agree. We use biodegradable dog bags which are 1/3 the size of a grocery bag.

Darield 09-07-2025 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2459168)
Less pollution is always preferrable to more. I am certain that smart humans or AI will devise a better alternative at some point. Until then, we're still going to need plastics even if they're less than ideal.

The goal is to reduce, not eliminate at this time. It is so easy to keep reusable bags in my car. I am sorry people don't wipe them out but I do. So easy to take an extra minute to clean a reusable bag.

Darield 09-07-2025 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2459253)
Have you tried picking up a squidgy dog poop with a paper bag?

I buy biodegradable dog poop bags.

Darield 09-07-2025 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2459445)
I prefer to let the incineration plant take care of my plastic bags. I just throw them in the trash. Easier for me and my plastic bags are creating energy.

it's crucial to understand why incinerating plastic is not just ill-advised—it's a potential catastrophe waiting to unfold. The Toxic Truth: Why Burning Plastic Waste Is a Health and Environmental Disaster | Plastics For Change.

Velvet 09-07-2025 01:32 PM

Another story to try to scare you, you understand that it doesn’t work on most of us? Some of it is true. And that part I agree with. The problem is the fanaticism that comes across, akin to Stalinist Communism. It just turns off a lot of people. The more you try to explain, and enforce, the more they turn away. A possibly better approach might be to reward “good” behavior. Not sure exactly how yet, but I’m thinking.

Djean1981 09-07-2025 02:42 PM

Your smartphone is mainly plastic...

fdpaq0580 09-07-2025 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459601)
My hubby was (has passed away now) a very dedicated environmentalist. Sometimes, in his honor, I still do a lot of stuff I wouldn’t do because I don’t think it is justified but I know he would ….

Sorry for your loss.
A dedicated environmentalist would put my poor efforts to shame. I always try to consider the long term effects of my choices. For example, I drive a 2015 Tucson (purchased new), limit my travel to little more than absolute necessity, and combine multiple trips whenever possible. My carbon "tiretrack", is less than if I replaced it with a new ev, considering the costs, both financial and environmental. I pull weeds in my yard, I don't poison them or the ground. I have no living children, so it isn't about leaving a better planet for my kids. It's ethics, I guess. Trying to do the right thing as I believe it to be. Do as little harm as possible while still enjoying the last few days. No one person can do it alone.

Velvet 09-07-2025 03:29 PM

Yes, but let me try another approach, no matter how good or kind, say Mother Theresa was, had she kept hitting people over the head with her rosary because they weren’t Catholic, she would have turned even the ones who were considering it, away.

I think, that showing by example, as you are doing, is one excellent way to “pave the path” so to speak.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-08-2025 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2459614)
I buy biodegradable dog poop bags.

"Biodegradable" is not what you think it is.

1. They don't break down easily in a natural environment.
2. When they do break down (eventually, after many years), they break down into microplastics - the very thing that people are now concerned about.
3. They are not 100% compostable. Only 20% of their makeup has to be compostable. That's why #1 and #2 are true; because 80% of the components that make up the bag will not compost.
4. They produce methane while they are in landfills.
5. They're made with polymerized plastic - which is plastic, which requires fossil fuels to make, exactly the same fossil fuels that normal plastic bags use.

fdpaq0580 09-08-2025 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2459618)
Another story to try to scare you, you understand that it doesn’t work on most of us? Some of it is true. And that part I agree with. The problem is the fanaticism that comes across, akin to Stalinist Communism. It just turns off a lot of people. The more you try to explain, and enforce, the more they turn away. A possibly better approach might be to reward “good” behavior. Not sure exactly how yet, but I’m thinking.

Designed to scare us? Of course! And we should be scared. Scared, as in concerned. Not scared as in mindless panic.
The "fanaticism", as you negatively portray it, is really just folks that recognize a problem that needs fixing and are ready to get to work on it. Those that refuse to recognize the problem or paint the problem as not of importance of requiring immediate action don't want to be bothered by the inconvenience to their lifestyle.
Maybe the reward for "good behavior" you mention could be leaving behind a cleaner, healthier world? Or, maybe you would rather have a cookie? (Just teasing. Please don't be angry)

PS. Just between us, I want the cleaner, healthier world AND a cookie ... chocolate chip.

fdpaq0580 09-08-2025 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2459710)
"Biodegradable" is not what you think it is.

1. They don't break down easily in a natural environment.
2. When they do break down (eventually, after many years), they break down into microplastics - the very thing that people are now concerned about.
3. They are not 100% compostable. Only 20% of their makeup has to be compostable. That's why #1 and #2 are true; because 80% of the components that make up the bag will not compost.
4. They produce methane while they are in landfills.
5. They're made with polymerized plastic - which is plastic, which requires fossil fuels to make, exactly the same fossil fuels that normal plastic bags use.

Plastic is forever!

Pugchief 09-08-2025 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459798)
The "fanaticism", as you negatively portray it, is really just folks that recognize a problem that needs fixing and are ready to get to work on it.

No, that's not what it is. It's a religious fervor that wants the plebs to give up airline travel and air conditioning, while the elites fly on private jets and live in palaces with private security.

I am happy to recognize the benefit of good stewardship of the planet, and do what I can within reason. These fanatics are not reasonable.


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