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Posh 08 04-30-2012 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 486144)
please don't try to compare the rate of crime to the rate of traffic violations in TV.

The crime rate would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and traffic violations would be a 37 on a scale of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, they should put as many cops out on the road as it will take to get the traffic violations as low as possible and TV gets a reputation for being a speed trap area like the ones we all know so well and we do slow down for (right?).

Book 'em Danno!!

btk

:agree:

rp001 04-30-2012 10:28 AM

comparison
 
The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

dillywho 04-30-2012 10:40 AM

Beg to Differ
 
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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486340)
The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

No brainer....seniors or otherwise...no violations (including speeding) = no tickets and no "cash cow". Traffic rules are for safety, including any and everyone, not as revenue generators. Traffic violations are "wrong-doings".

The Shadow 04-30-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486340)
The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....


“innocent seniors”
what is that, is it a senior that is NOT speeding and gets a ticket???

“wrongdoers”
what is that, is it a senior that is speeding and gets a ticket???

“easy target”
what is that, is it a senior that is speeding and stops to except a ticket rather that trying to elude the police by cutting across a golf course.

“cash cows”
that would be old enough to know better but to young to resist.

“Village Life Style” does not mean you are free to do as you please even if you think that is what you paid for.

rp001 04-30-2012 12:48 PM

sumter's finest
 
It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

The Shadow 04-30-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486399)
It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

Good point it’s the cops fault.

And we all know the posted speed limit is only a suggestion.

graciegirl 04-30-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486399)
It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

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Um....once a year or so ago we had our grandson visiting who had an Asthma attack in the middle of the night so we were out driving to The Villages hospital about two or three in the morning. We were the ONLY person on the roads.

Most of us retire early here and to say there isn't much traffic in the dead of night is an understatement.

It may be that " moving patrols" would have stopped and ticketed them...but I am sadly thinking it wouldn't have stopped the behavior that led to this tragic accident.

gvsulakerfan 04-30-2012 01:32 PM

you're right. if only they stopped catching the speeders we would be able to start 45 more threads on:

car vs cart accidents
car vs bike accidents
people driving through the vegetation on roundabouts
etc etc

Here2Stay 04-30-2012 02:19 PM

Speed Traps
 
There is a reason why they call it "Speed Limit" Happy Spending for those who do not understand the concept!:o

Bogie Shooter 04-30-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486399)
It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

I think a majority believe the laws should be enforced.

Mikeod 04-30-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486340)
The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

A quick review of county documents shows total revenues of over $158 million. Now how important do you really think the revenue from speeding tickets is to the county that they would emphasize traffic fines over other law enforcement functions? And no, I don't work for the sheriff, nor have ever been in law enforcement. But I will admit to being a commanding officer of several units in the Navy, so I have a very good sense of right and wrong. There are laws, rules, and regulations. Violate them at your own risk. Don't whine or blame the enforcer of those regulations when you get caught.

If you bring the attitude that all speed limits have a +5MPH leeway built in, the sheriff has a ticket with your name on it.

graciegirl 04-30-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 486455)
I think a majority believe the laws should be enforced.

I hope so.

Raymond 04-30-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486399)
It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..

Sure, they protecting us from dangerous speeders!

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Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...
Better revenue from violators rather than raising taxes

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Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side
The law are on their side.....

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however the presence is just taking away from the real problems.
Speeders are the real problem and law enforcement address the problem.

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If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over
So, they do not stop youngsters speeding at 2 am?

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It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph..
No one get a citation for 5 mph over (FL statutes), except in school zones.
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I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well.
Yes.

Indydealmaker 04-30-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 486024)
I believe there is ample work in this area to keep our ministers of law and order busy..Look at the arrest records and there seems to be a large contingent of meth users and petty theives immediately surrounding our wonderful world, Wildwood and Fruitland Park and Belleview.

Perhaps the officers would be better suited tending to real crime prevention than ticketing little old ladies on Buena Vista en masse...I know we are looked upon by some of the locals in disdain and are perceived as rich..Look at the median income for the tri county area for a family of four..We are in effect the cash cows for Sumter, and Northern Lake county...

Under our current system of laws, there is very little "crime prevention" that law enforcement can accomplish without a cop on every street corner. Police catch criminals after the fact.

The very fact that police are very visible in catching speeders proves the theory that cops are not able to prevent crime. One would expect that the visible punishment would be a deterrent. Obviously, it is not.

Biancarose 08-23-2012 06:43 PM

Everyday on Rio Grande and Chula Vista Ave the police are giving tickets for speeding.

gerryann 08-23-2012 07:35 PM

Great! Wanna get those speeders off the road. :)

nitehawk 08-24-2012 06:20 AM

:bigbow: yes yes yes

cquick 08-24-2012 07:53 AM

those places you mentioned in your first post are where there are many speeders, all the time. I usually go right about 35 mph, and if someone is also going 35 mph in the other lane, the people behind are very frustrated!. I try to stay in the right hand lane, so they can all go around me. I have noticed how easy it is to have my speed creep up as I go up the long stretch from 466A to the first round about.
:laugh:

cquick 08-24-2012 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 221932)
You have missed my point - which is that driving 45 on 4-lane divided highways is still a very safe speed. Just because some arbitrary decision was made to post the speed limit at 35 does not mean that the road is unsafe to be driven at any higher speed. Following your logic, all of the other 4-lane divided highways around the country where people are driving the speed limit are all driving unsafely since the speed limits are above 35.

Higher speeds are not by themselves unsafe. What is unsafe is driving above the speed that is warranted for the road and the conditions. In the case of Morse and Buena Vista south of 466, they can easily accomodate safe driving at 45 MPH.

Lest you misunderstand me even more, I am not advocating breaking the law - just questioning the rationale of the law.

I don't like the idea of raising the speed limit on the roads in TV...even the boulevards is because we are in a town, not out on a highway. There are many turns along all those roads to go into neighborhoods, golf clubs, rec centers. This is where we live. Morse and Buena Vista Blvds south of 466 are in a town, not in the countryside.

billethkid 08-24-2012 08:48 AM

first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk

Mickedamouse24 08-24-2012 08:57 AM

:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

downeaster 08-24-2012 09:19 AM

Buena Vista may be a "four lane divided highway". It has four lanes and divided and I suppose, technically, it is a highway. However, in its approximately 10 miles of meandering it has 14 roundabouts and 10 other intersections. There are some "line of sight" problems as well. I am not a traffic engineer but I certainly hope the speed limit remains at 35MPH. There are far too many people driving 45MPH on it now. If the limit were 45MPH then there would be those who would drive 55MPH.

There may be some sections where it is safe to exceed 35MPH but it seems impractical to have numerous and varying speed limits.

graciegirl 08-24-2012 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 546314)
first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk


I so agree. :agree: on ALMOST every point you made, Billy. Not sure about citizen's arrest ;)

Some people think that rules and traffic limits and signs are just suggestions. Slowing down is a small price to pay for keeping everyone safer.

Some people view all law enforcement as a huge inconvenience and all law enforcers as the bad guys.

Not me. Have had a lot of great cops in my family.

Barefoot 08-24-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24 (Post 546321)
:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

...

Penguin 08-24-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24 (Post 546321)
:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

I'm with you Mick, here in the Chicago area the speed limit is normally 55. I can drive 70 and get passed all the time by people giving me a dirty look. I'm all for speed traps. If the authorities cracked down on speeders, each state could be out of debt in a very short time. Sorry but I hate speeders.

buggyone 08-24-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 546374)
I'm with you Mick, here in the Chicago area the speed limit is normally 55. I can drive 70 and get passed all the time by people giving me a dirty look. I'm all for speed traps. If the authorities cracked down on speeders, each state could be out of debt in a very short time. Sorry but I hate speeders.

For the people that say they are all for speed traps, I would disagree. There is nothing wrong with police enforcing the speed limit within reason but to pull cars over for a $200 ticket for going a couple miles per hour over the limit is ridiculous.

IF that started in The Villages, the citizens here would really be upset at having to pay tickets for very minor over-the-limits.

I certainly do endorse giving speeding tickets to both citizens and workers/contractors for blatant speeding in their cars - as well as to the golf cart drivers who are going over the 20 mph limit.

jtdraig 08-24-2012 01:01 PM

My suggestion is that when you see or even know there is a school zone to pay attention and slow down to at or below the limit. There is no mercy for speeding in a school zone nor should there be. Tickets here are cheap compared to Arizona where the limit is 15 and God help you if you got a ticket. Judges aren't kind to people who have a school zone violation on their records nor are Insurance Companies. For the debaters out there, I don't care. Just slow down and behave in School Zones.

paulandjean 08-24-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 546314)
first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk

Do not think having a reputation for speed traps and "nasty cops" is what we need in the villages.Think everything is fine the way it is. I do not see speeding going on, I see to many people driving slow as a problem. Anybody use a turn signal here

buggyone 08-24-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 546573)
Do not think having a reputation for speed traps and "nasty cops" is what we need in the villages.Think everything is fine the way it is. I do not see speeding going on, I see to many people driving slow as a problem. Anybody use a turn signal here

I agree that a reputation of being a speed trap would not be good for The Villages.

However, "too many people driving slow as a problem" puzzles me. Speed limit on 466 is 45 mph. Morse and Buena Vista are 35 mph. Most other streets are 20, 25, and 30 mph. Golf cart speed limit on streets is 20 mph unless you are street legal and then it is 25 mph.

You can get anywhere in The Villages in a short amount of time. Go the speed limit and be happy.

dsned 08-24-2012 03:14 PM

How do the blue lights on top of the traffic light work?

Penguin 08-24-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 546449)
For the people that say they are all for speed traps, I would disagree. There is nothing wrong with police enforcing the speed limit within reason but to pull cars over for a $200 ticket for going a couple miles per hour over the limit is ridiculous.

IF that started in The Villages, the citizens here would really be upset at having to pay tickets for very minor over-the-limits.

I certainly do endorse giving speeding tickets to both citizens and workers/contractors for blatant speeding in their cars - as well as to the golf cart drivers who are going over the 20 mph limit.

Here we go again, your statement is contradictory. Its ok to give tickets for blatant speeding but not for going a couple miles over the speed limit. Speeding is speeding but would agree that a couple miles over the posted speed limit is a little much. I dont think that many officers would give a ticket for 5mph over. If you notice someone speeding I bet their going faster than 5 mph over the posted limit.

Bogie Shooter 08-24-2012 03:58 PM

180 posts no conclusion......"time for a new thread????

paulandjean 08-24-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dsned (Post 546580)
How do the blue lights on top of the traffic light work?

At a traffic light,I only see green,yellow,red.Maybe I have been missing the blue light thats why everyone is honking..........

dsned 08-24-2012 04:40 PM

They are up by Lopez right now


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