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tophcfa 08-26-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2249501)
Too much time bickering about this < $17 a month "increase" especially when a lot of residents were complaining about wait times for EMS.

Why worry about response times for EMS when the result is that the patient is ultimately going to get dumped at a dismal one star rated hospital with quite possibly the worst ER in the entire country. I don’t get the “hurry up and get there so we can wait seemingly forever for woefully substandard health care” mentality? Residents would have been better served saving money and keeping the old ambulance servive until someday (hopefully) when there is a place worth being rushed to!

kansasr 08-26-2023 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2249551)
So obviously this post was a waste of my time. Many keep going on and on with their misinformation without trying to get the facts, only believing what they want to believe.

I’ve had my head buried in the county budgets for the last 5 years, this past year every more so. I’ve presented you with the facts based on years of experience of reviewing these budgets. I have not agenda here beyond sharing facts with all of you. If it’s good it’s good and if it’s bad it’s bad, I’m indifferent as long as it’s factual.

Do I like where I live? Absolutely! The villages is an incredible community and Sumter County could not possibly be any better in my opinion. Some think I have some bias for the village or think I receive some kind of compensation from them, neither is true. But I do have an affinity for a job well done. I worked 20 years in commercial construction, as a project manager for a majority of that time, to manage a project on a scale such as this is a testament to their ability. When it’s good I let you know and when it’s bad I don’t hesitate to let loose with both barrels.

Generally I try to be positive, if you want negativity the pseudo-news site and Nextdoor are where you should go.

I’ve received the developer’s ire on more than a few occasions over my videos, the stuff I reveal, and sharing my opinion, I stopped caring long ago what they think of me.

Deal with facts and not speculation and innuendo and enjoy life a little more.

I for one want to say that this was not a waste of time, you managed to clarify some things that I wasn't aware of!

I did not realize that in last year's budget the $124 fire assessment only covered a small portion of the $35 million for the 2 fire districts and the balance came out of the general fund. I always felt it was unfair that I was paying the same fire assessment as Walmart, but now that I see that was only a small portion of the expense, commercial buildings are indeed paying more of a fair share. In the proposed budget, the general county assessment is being DECREASED, from 5.59 to 5.19.

The biggest challenge faced by the county commission is the VERY large increase in the fire budget, primarily from The Villages fire district, which has a proposed increase of almost 100 percent (from $17,934,640 last year to $34,636,054). We asked for a greatly improved ambulance service and this apparently is the price for that request. From looking at the budget, it would appear that the commission just received a lump sum request from the Villages fire district, as there wasn't a detailed breakdown as there was from the fire district for the rest of the county (which, by the way, had a modest increase from $18,884,269 to $24,240,265).

So where do we go from here? The commission has some difficult decisions. First, deciding how much we actually want to pay for improved service. If we want to keep these proposed funding levels, the money has to come from somewhere. If we keep the old system, do we apply a moderate increase to the $124 assessment per lot and increase the county assessment above and beyond the previous year? Or do we implement something like the new proposed system, where the fire assessment actually reflects the total cost of the services?

I'm not sure we pay our commissioners enough for these kinds of decisions!

LuvtheVillages 08-26-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ton80 (Post 2249507)
The cart is in Front of the Horse
Before we argue who pays what and how, we need to know and agree what the required expenditures are. I have not seen any public document that addresses why the very large cost and personnel increases are justified. This is something that the Sumter County Commissioners need to review and address.

1. Budget Review and Personnel Planning
There is a need for a fundamental review of why the two Fire Districts/entities need some 50 million dollars more and many more firefighting personnel to serve Sumter Co. I have not seen any discussion on this topic and I believe it is the starting point and the fundamental issue.

2. How To fund The Approved Plan and Budget
This is what the study addressed and looking at how other Counties/Districts financed their budgets is instructive and provides a comparison to Sumter County approach. It appears to me that Sumter County lays the burden more heavily on the homeowner compared to Businesses. Why should the Lofts, for example, only pay the same as any single home owner and not much more since the Lofts have many housing units. Lake County spreads out the cost in a more equitable way.

Looking back at the discussions regarding the Independent Fire District discussions and vote, I believe that the IFD was not approved since there was no indication of how the Sumter County Budget would be revised. It is time to have it all out in the open and explained clearly IMHO.

So clearly you have not been paying attention to the news and you have not read the preceding posts.

Are you not aware that the 2 fire departments are taking over the ambulance service for the entire county, that they have to purchase ambulances and equipment and hire people?

And don't you know that the fire fee only pays a portion of the fire department costs. It also is a significant portion of our property tax payment. In fact, I think we should consider eliminating the fire fee and have it totally covered by the property tax.,

Goldwingnut 08-26-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2249806)
I for one want to say that this was not a waste of time, you managed to clarify some things that I wasn't aware of!

I did not realize that in last year's budget the $124 fire assessment only covered a small portion of the $35 million for the 2 fire districts and the balance came out of the general fund. I always felt it was unfair that I was paying the same fire assessment as Walmart, but now that I see that was only a small portion of the expense, commercial buildings are indeed paying more of a fair share. In the proposed budget, the general county assessment is being DECREASED, from 5.59 to 5.19.

The biggest challenge faced by the county commission is the VERY large increase in the fire budget, primarily from The Villages fire district, which has a proposed increase of almost 100 percent (from $17,934,640 last year to $34,636,054). We asked for a greatly improved ambulance service and this apparently is the price for that request. From looking at the budget, it would appear that the commission just received a lump sum request from the Villages fire district, as there wasn't a detailed breakdown as there was from the fire district for the rest of the county (which, by the way, had a modest increase from $18,884,269 to $24,240,265).

So where do we go from here? The commission has some difficult decisions. First, deciding how much we actually want to pay for improved service. If we want to keep these proposed funding levels, the money has to come from somewhere. If we keep the old system, do we apply a moderate increase to the $124 assessment per lot and increase the county assessment above and beyond the previous year? Or do we implement something like the new proposed system, where the fire assessment actually reflects the total cost of the services?

I'm not sure we pay our commissioners enough for these kinds of decisions!

Thank you!
Just one clarification, VPSD presented a detailed breakout budget to the BOCC, the increase was greater than SCFEMS because
a) they have more ambulances than SCFEMS therefore greater costs involved,
b) they were expanding and adding 2 additional fire stations so staffing and operating costs were increasing for both fire protection and ambulance - the cost of the two new fire stations is not in their proposed budget, this is covered by the $4.08/month ($50/yr) that is included in the Amenity Fee Villagers pay each month that is now earmarked for capital improvements greater than $10,000.

The County staff, fire departments, and BOCC have some difficult decisions to make in the next few weeks. A lot of progress has been made since Tuesday evening's meeting towards overcoming this huge budget shortfall and softening the blow of this decision.

Several scenarios and strategies are being looked at for FY25 for funding the county fire department costs, these are still in the preliminary stages of discovery, one thing is very apparent at this point of all possible strategies, there is no "Someone Else" that is going to pay for this service.

Two years ago, the residents asked for better service, they got it.
Now residents have asked not to have to pay for this additional service, they got it.
Every decision has consequences so be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

tophcfa 08-26-2023 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2249797)
Why worry about response times for EMS when the result is that the patient is ultimately going to get dumped at a dismal one star rated hospital with quite possibly the worst ER in the entire country. I don’t get the “hurry up and get there so we can wait seemingly forever for woefully substandard health care” mentality? Residents would have been better served saving money and keeping the old ambulance servive until someday (hopefully) when there is a place worth being rushed to!

I have never quoted my own post before, but I am now because I am baffled that no one has responded to it. My post highlights the huge elephant in the room that appears to be invisible. Apparently everyone is living in some kind of make believe fantasy world where response time actually matters? Why is everyone burying their heads in the sand and demanding faster service when there is a much bigger problem?

I get it that fixing The Village’s health care system is beyond the scope of both Villagers and the county commissioners, but increasing ambulance response time solves nothing as long as the much much much bigger problem exists! Efforts that actually do make a real difference, like the neighborhood defibrillator program, should be the focus of attention.

Altavia 08-26-2023 08:55 PM

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tophcfa 08-26-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2250014)
Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt...

Better to recognize reality and act accordingly than to ignore reality and act like a fool…

Randall55 08-26-2023 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2249797)
Why worry about response times for EMS when the result is that the patient is ultimately going to get dumped at a dismal one star rated hospital with quite possibly the worst ER in the entire country. I don’t get the “hurry up and get there so we can wait seemingly forever for woefully substandard health care” mentality? Residents would have been better served saving money and keeping the old ambulance servive until someday (hopefully) when there is a place worth being rushed to!

Right! The Villages Hospital is sub-par. But, the ambulance service has life saving equipment manned by professional paramedics. With most emergencies, time is of the essence. Once you are stabilized, you can transfer to a hospital of your choosing. It is not imperative to stay at the Villages hospital.

If you find you despise the Villages hospital, move to another part of the Villages that is closer to a hospital that meets your standards. Everyone must fight their own battles and live with the choices they make.

golfing eagles 08-27-2023 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2250004)
I have never quoted my own post before, but I am now because I am baffled that no one has responded to it. My post highlights the huge elephant in the room that appears to be invisible. Apparently everyone is living in some kind of make believe fantasy world where response time actually matters? Why is everyone burying their heads in the sand and demanding faster service when there is a much bigger problem?

I get it that fixing The Village’s health care system is beyond the scope of both Villagers and the county commissioners, but increasing ambulance response time solves nothing as long as the much much much bigger problem exists! Efforts that actually do make a real difference, like the neighborhood defibrillator program, should be the focus of attention.

You don’t think response time is important?? Yeah, OK. Just hope you don’t have a cardiac arrest. Or better yet a stroke where the window of opportunity to use thrombolytic therapy is about an hour

Bilyclub 08-27-2023 08:08 AM

Since things have branched off a little... It is ironic that a place with a good number of very active healthy seniors has some of the worse healthcare options in the country. Would a better system allow us to remain active longer or when a major health incident happens is that the end ?

tophcfa 08-27-2023 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2250046)
You don’t think response time is important?? Yeah, OK. Just hope you don’t have a cardiac arrest. Or better yet a stroke where the window of opportunity to use thrombolytic therapy is about an hour

Well Doc, excuse me for having absolutely zero confidence in the Village’s Hospital. When you show up at the ER on your death bed in need of critical care, you wait in total agony for over 12 hours to ultimately get misdiagnosed, prescribed medication that does nothing to help your condition, get booted out the door after midnight to drive yourself home and die, and then get billed for the horrific experience, that will happen.

When I got to a real hospital in Gainesville the triage person took one look at me, put me in a room where a team of Doctors immediately evaluated me, and admitted me to critical care within minutes. If my wife didn’t drive about 1,360 non-stop miles south to pick me up and drag me to Gainesville, I would be dead now thanks to the Village’s Hospital. So yes, I’m not on board with first response time mattering when the patient is going to get dumped at the Villages Hospital.

Kenswing 08-27-2023 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2250097)
Well Doc, excuse me for having absolutely zero confidence in the Village’s Hospital. When you show up at the ER on your death bed in need of critical care, you wait in total agony for over 12 hours to ultimately get misdiagnosed, prescribed medication that does nothing to help your condition, get booted out the door after midnight to drive yourself home and die, and then get billed for the horrific experience, that will happen.

When I got to a real hospital in Gainesville the triage person took one look at me, put me in a room where a team of Doctors immediately evaluated me, and admitted me to critical care within minutes. If my wife didn’t drive about 1,360 non-stop miles south to pick me up and drag me to Gainesville, I would be dead now thanks to the Village’s Hospital. So yes, I’m not on board with first response time mattering when the patient is going to get dumped at the Villages Hospital.

We get it. You had a bad experience at The Villages Hospital. I’m sorry you had to go through what you did. But not everyone had the same experience you did. There are people that praise the treatment they received. Hijacking every thread you can to knock the hospital isn’t going to make it any better. Living in a community where the population is growing faster than the available medical services are is always a gamble. I hope you’re able to move on from this.

Bill14564 08-27-2023 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2250085)
Since things have branched off a little... It is ironic that a place with a good number of very active healthy seniors has some of the worse healthcare options in the country. Would a better system allow us to remain active longer or when a major health incident happens is that the end ?

It might not be ironic at all; the large percentage of seniors in the population might be part of the reason for the healthcare options.

A lot of seniors means a lot of payments by medicare. If medicare truly does pay less than private insurance then that means less income for doctors who stay in this area. There are likely other factors in play (such as having three large cities close by) but it seems like this might play a part.

JGibson 08-27-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2250097)
Well Doc, excuse me for having absolutely zero confidence in the Village’s Hospital. When you show up at the ER on your death bed in need of critical care, you wait in total agony for over 12 hours to ultimately get misdiagnosed, prescribed medication that does nothing to help your condition, get booted out the door after midnight to drive yourself home and die, and then get billed for the horrific experience, that will happen.

When I got to a real hospital in Gainesville the triage person took one look at me, put me in a room where a team of Doctors immediately evaluated me, and admitted me to critical care within minutes. If my wife didn’t drive about 1,360 non-stop miles south to pick me up and drag me to Gainesville, I would be dead now thanks to the Village’s Hospital. So yes, I’m not on board with first response time mattering when the patient is going to get dumped at the Villages Hospital.

You’re comparing a level 1 trauma center to a glorified urgent care. lol.


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