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Scorpyo 09-17-2020 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1833929)
Has reached a point that if anyone is in an inside land near me I expect to see them cut me off.
As Stu says. Expect and prepare for the worst. How do you do that - simple - when you think about or get into a round-about do so slowly and if there's traffic in there expect them to do something stupid. Once in there pay attention to cars around you. If there's a car next to you in the inner lane slow down and let him have room in front of you so if he does decide to exit you can avoid being hit by him. Motorcycle riders do this all the time. If there's a car or truck next to you either speed up or slow down and either get in front or behind him so you're not in his blind spot.

Miguel 1952 09-17-2020 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill1701 (Post 1834121)
If people are confused by roundabouts, they shouldn't be driving.
Tell that to the many seniors in TV!

MDLNB 09-17-2020 07:57 AM
Traffic circles should be only one lane. Problem solved.

Half the traffic at the circles is from outside the Villages folks that cut through the Villages to avoid the lights and traffic on the main highways. Maybe if they had single lane circles, that would slow them down and cause some to stop cutting through. ANother idea would be to put gates at the entrances to those roads from the main roads so that folks have to stop before entering. It would probably back up traffic for a while, but eventually it would be like Morse off of Rt466.
Just ideas to add to the discussion.

Mature adults (old people) take more time to process information that is happening around them, so circles are dangerous places. There is nothing routine about them.

CFrance 09-17-2020 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1834107)
You are causing a problem if you are going to 3/4 of the way around the round about.
Exactly. If you are going 3/4 of the way around in the right lane, you are a big part of the problem.

wrestle1 09-17-2020 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1834139)
You don't have the right to continue to the 3rd. exit in the outside lane. If you are in the outside lane you must leave the traffic circle no later than the 2nd exit.
Agreed. My point is when you’re entering in the left lane and intending to turn left in the third turn some cars entering from the first and second turns into the outside/right lane parallel with the inside car and do not allow the inside vehicle to make entry into the third turn.

Stu from NYC 09-17-2020 08:29 AM
A friend found a different way to combat the problem.

He takes up both lanes while going around roundabout.

PugMom 09-17-2020 08:32 AM
[QUOTE=JanetMM;1834079]
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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1834055)
maybe it's the name.....up north we called them 'rotaries', they were much bigger circles with nothing in the center obstructing views, much easier to navigate

but these 'roundabouts' in TV are nothing....if you really want a challenge....fly over to Ireland, where you drive on the opposite side of the road...there's more than a
few roundabouts over there that will test your driving skills...especially if you're driving a rental, using your left hand to operate the stick shift and have no clue where you're going...lol

we ended up going around more than a couple a few times...just for good measure

Same here! “Keep circling, I’ll check the map!” This was before GPS. Even worse was two lane roads more narrow than my tiny driveway with stone “walls” on one side and a cliff drop to the ocean on the other! ;-)
Boston had the WORST rotaries, imo. everyone speeds & nobody uses turn signals-its anybody's guess what some drivers were doing. i'm also glad to know i wasn't the only confused person circling the roundabouts when we 1st arrived, LOL

PugMom 09-17-2020 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1834200)
A friend found a different way to combat the problem.

He takes up both lanes while going around roundabout.
:clap2::1rotfl:

MDLNB 09-17-2020 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1834200)
A friend found a different way to combat the problem.

He takes up both lanes while going around roundabout.



Great idea! Problem solved.

hal195z 09-17-2020 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanTheGolfPro (Post 1833983)
I make a point to stay in the right lane, assume the everybody else has the right of way and I live to see another day. It is more important to avoid a wreck than to be correct.
Actions as described above contribute to the problem.

BlackhawksFan 09-17-2020 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1833895)
Here is a simple way to know what to do in a traffic circle. Think of it as a 4 lane intersection. If you approach an intersection and you want to turn right you get in the right lane for your turn, if you want to turn left you get in the left lane. You never nturn left from the right lane on right from the left lane in a normal 4 lane intersection. If you are going straight Through the intersection you use either lane. The Traffic circles are the same, follow the rules you use in a normal intersection and you will not have any issues.
Exactly. You'd never turn right from a lefthand lane on a straight 4 way road so why do people do it in a traffic circle?

VApeople 09-17-2020 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by wrestle1 (Post 1834186)
My point is when you’re entering in the left lane and intending to turn left in the third turn some cars entering from the first and second turns into the outside/right lane parallel with the inside car and do not allow the inside vehicle to make entry into the third turn.
That is why I have my hand on the horn at all times when driving in a roundabout. If I sense that another driver may not yield to me when I am exiting the roundabout, I honk at them.

BlackhawksFan 09-17-2020 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mmorrison123 (Post 1833882)
After another close call I thought I might discuss the right of way rules for traffic circles. It's really very easy. If you find yourself crossing a solid line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you are doing something wrong. If you wish to cross a dashed line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you may do so only if there is no body else in the lane that you wish to cross into. Traffic already in a lane has the right of way. If you wish to remain in your lane and not cross any lines, whether your lane stays in the circle or exits the circle, congratulations you have the right of way, but be very careful. The biggest issue I see are people in the right (outside) lane continuing around the circle, cutting across the dashed line that directs vehicles in the inside lane to exit. In most circles in the villages, the inside lane has the right of way to exit as shown by the lines on the road. There are exceptions of source. The green traffic signs you see as you approach the circles are informational only to help you see what roads are ahead and suggested traffic flow. They are NOT regulatory and do NOT indicate right of way of any mind.

So, stay in your lane, and if you need to cross a dashed line, check that the lane is clear first. Just that easy, but you already knew that didn't you.
Right of way is given to the vehicle in the lane continuing on. If you have to cross traffic at all you have to grant tne right of way. You're not granted right of way in the circle but what lane your in.

davem4616 09-17-2020 09:08 AM
[QUOTE=PugMom;1834204]
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Originally Posted by JanetMM (Post 1834079)

Boston had the WORST rotaries, imo. everyone speeds & nobody uses turn signals-its anybody's guess what some drivers were doing. i'm also glad to know i wasn't the only confused person circling the roundabouts when we 1st arrived, LOL

I grew up in Massachusetts. Ya had to have courage to drive in Boston. My older brother refused to do it...someone else always had to drive him into Logan airport.

I loved driving into Boston...it was a personal challenge, nobody gave anyone quarter. Cars would blow their horns when we went from 4 lanes to 1, they'd yell at ya, they'd swear at ya, they'd give ya the finger, but they'd never hit you. All you had to do was keep moving forward. We had an unspoken driver's code...ya didn't look at anyone and ya didn't use the turn signal, after all, why would you want to give the enemy an advantage my letting them know what you were going to do? LOL

Besides most of the cars going to the airport were rentals anyway...they weren't about to get into an accident...filling out all the forms would cause them to miss their flight.

starflyte1 09-17-2020 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1834228)
Exactly. You'd never turn right from a lefthand lane on a straight 4 way road so why do people do it in a traffic circle?
Because it is the proper way to exit! Look at the signs as you enter the circle!!!

BlackhawksFan 09-17-2020 09:14 AM
"Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament. Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament. Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament. Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament."

(Frustrated) "I can not get over to the other side. Look kids..."

"We know Dad. Big Ben. Parliament."

davem4616 09-17-2020 09:19 AM
[QUOTE=JanetMM;1834079]
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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1834055)
maybe it's the name.....up north we called them 'rotaries', they were much bigger circles with nothing in the center obstructing views, much easier to navigate

but these 'roundabouts' in TV are nothing....if you really want a challenge....fly over to Ireland, where you drive on the opposite side of the road...there's more than a
few roundabouts over there that will test your driving skills...especially if you're driving a rental, using your left hand to operate the stick shift and have no clue where you're going...lol

we ended up going around more than a couple a few times...just for good measure

Same here! “Keep circling, I’ll check the map!” This was before GPS. Even worse was two lane roads more narrow than my tiny driveway with stone “walls” on one side and a cliff drop to the ocean on the other! ;-)

The country roads are very narrow in Ireland...it is amazing that so many cars in Ireland still have sideview mirrors...we brushed up against stone walls and hedgerows any number of times when a car was approaching from the opposite direction and I tried my best to pull over to "the wrong side of the road" to let them pass

riley2011 09-17-2020 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1833901)
If I had a buck for every time I have seen someone go right from the inside lane could buy the most expensive house here for cash.
That’s what you’re supposed to do. It’s considered going straight. If someone is in the inside lane when you are approaching the circle you are not supposed to enter because the car already in the circle may be taking the next exit and if there is an accident the car in the outside lane would be at fault.

MDLNB 09-17-2020 09:58 AM
All the above posts prove that there should NOT be two lanes of traffic in circles. On top of all the above disagreements, you have to add the age factor and the slow response to situations involved when dealing with seniors. It's not rocket science, but reaction time counts when driving a motor vehicle. On the highway, one may drive in the slow lane and allow more alert and quicker to respond drivers to pass on the left. Driving in a circle requires sharp thinking and fast reactions. Sorry but the only answer is to make circles one lane.

Polar Bear 09-17-2020 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1834269)
...Sorry but the only answer is to make circles one lane.
Sorry, but that just causes many other problems, the most obvious being greatly reduced capacity for all connected roads.

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by villageuser (Post 1834059)
Yeah!! Some one who knows how it is correctly done! And explained it clearly. I get tired of these articles that say that if you are in the right lane you can turn on the next one or two turns. That is soooo wrong! Surprising there are not more accidents.
What? If you’re in right lane look at signs it shows you have to exit at the first or second exit. If You hit someone at third exit it will be you’re fault for not yielding even if you get hit in the left rear quarter panel. And yes I know someone who get ticket.

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1834216)
Great idea! Problem solved.
Unless you get hit?

MDLNB 09-17-2020 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1834280)
Sorry, but that just causes many other problems, the most obvious being greatly reduced capacity for all connected roads.

Exactly! This is the Villages, not a thoroughfare for commuters. The problem is accidents, and that would be reduced to a minimum by making it a single lane circle. Case closed.

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wrestle1 (Post 1834186)
Agreed. My point is when you’re entering in the left lane and intending to turn left in the third turn some cars entering from the first and second turns into the outside/right lane parallel with the inside car and do not allow the inside vehicle to make entry into the third turn.
Should never happen if theY yielded to traffic in the roundabout. You should be well pass them. But the problem they pull out into the roundabout before you cleared them. That’s why rhey are beside you unless you are creeping at 5 MPH?

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1834289)
Exactly! This is the Villages, not a thoroughfare for commuters. The problem is accidents, and that would be reduced to a minimum by making it a single lane circle. Case closed.
No, too much traffic for single lanes, how about 441/27 single lanes or I 75 single lanes. The amount of traffic dictates the number of lanes, not poor drivers.

quietpine 09-17-2020 10:44 AM
Europeans have a simple rule for traffic circles based on traffic priority: Stay, Leave, Enter. It only works because drivers understand and follow the rule. Isn’t that the problem with the different opinions discussed here? If everyone does the right thing but there isn’t agreement on what that is you get chaos, or round about driving in TV.

dustyaljac 09-17-2020 10:49 AM
If people actually studied the rare, but practical use of that little stick on the left of the steering wheel, how much easier and safer these these and all roadway traffic would be !!!

Lancer 09-17-2020 10:51 AM
Try the roundabout in Paris at the Arc de Triomphe. It has 11 roads and no lines to mark the lanes. Check it out on Google Maps.

pauld315 09-17-2020 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1834118)
Rules for circles in Marion County are not the same as Sumter County. Know each counties rules.
Explain how they are different, part of the Villages is in Marion County and I treat those the same as Sumter.

LoisR 09-17-2020 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mmorrison123 (Post 1833882)
After another close call I thought I might discuss the right of way rules for traffic circles. It's really very easy. If you find yourself crossing a solid line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you are doing something wrong. If you wish to cross a dashed line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you may do so only if there is no body else in the lane that you wish to cross into. Traffic already in a lane has the right of way. If you wish to remain in your lane and not cross any lines, whether your lane stays in the circle or exits the circle, congratulations you have the right of way, but be very careful. The biggest issue I see are people in the right (outside) lane continuing around the circle, cutting across the dashed line that directs vehicles in the inside lane to exit. In most circles in the villages, the inside lane has the right of way to exit as shown by the lines on the road. There are exceptions of source. The green traffic signs you see as you approach the circles are informational only to help you see what roads are ahead and suggested traffic flow. They are NOT regulatory and do NOT indicate right of way of any mind.

So, stay in your lane, and if you need to cross a dashed line, check that the lane is clear first. Just that easy, but you already knew that didn't you.
Every year for the past four years I've contacted TV office and asked that
a "SIGNAL YOUR INTENT" sign be placed in every traffic circle. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Why improve perfection?

cemlopez 09-17-2020 11:43 AM
Wrong!! A vehicle on the outside line must exit or continue straight, a vehicle on the inside line must go straight or turn left.
It is as simple as that.

daddymac1127 09-17-2020 11:51 AM
All i can say is that we all live in the Villages. I do not think any of us really need to be in a hurry to go somewhere. My simple rule is that when i approach a roundabout (rotary for us new englanders) i look to see if there are any vehicles in the rotary. If there are i allow them to proceed wherever until i know for sure where they are going. This usually only takes about 5 to 10 seconds.

MDLNB 09-17-2020 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1834292)
No, too much traffic for single lanes, how about 441/27 single lanes or I 75 single lanes. The amount of traffic dictates the number of lanes, not poor drivers.

Not even the same. Apples to oranges. The Villages is a senior living community with slow reacting "old" folks. Yes, traffic would be slowed, and that is a good thing. The speed limit on those roads is 35mph until they reach the circles and then 20mph. Too many people trying to make a straight line at the circle doing 35-40mph. Most seniors are retired and are not in a hurry to get anywhere. Commuters are in a hurry and speed on those roads, cutting in and out of traffic. Rarely do you see a resident acting like that, unless they are late for a "T" time, and that's usually driving a golf cart.

The idea is to lessen accidents, not to make those roads super highways for commuters to avoid the multi lane highways. Of course, the alternative is to take the circles out and install traffic lights. Bet that would also stop the commuters. AND it would lessen the accident rate.

Stu from NYC 09-17-2020 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cemlopez (Post 1834324)
Wrong!! A vehicle on the outside line must exit or continue straight, a vehicle on the inside line must go straight or turn left.
It is as simple as that.
Maybe I am missing something but how do you turn left? Kind of puts you in the island

Polar Bear 09-17-2020 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1834289)
Exactly! This is the Villages, not a thoroughfare for commuters. The problem is accidents, and that would be reduced to a minimum by making it a single lane circle. Case closed.
Yeah. They really love having just a single lane on Morse north of 466. And if you're talking about only single lane roundabouts, then merging into a single lane before every roundabout will be a really pretty site. No accident potential there. :ohdear:

papasetti82 09-17-2020 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1833895)
Here is a simple way to know what to do in a traffic circle. Think of it as a 4 lane intersection. If you approach an intersection and you want to turn right you get in the right lane for your turn, if you want to turn left you get in the left lane. You never turn left from the right lane on right from the left lane in a normal 4 lane intersection. If you are going straight Through the intersection you use either lane. The Traffic circles are the same, follow the rules you use in a normal intersection and you will not have any issues.
You are right.Your explanation is simple.The problem is that only you,me and a handful of others understand it.That makes sixty something others confused and thats scary.One person didn't understand about making a Left Turn.

Pickleballer3 09-17-2020 01:45 PM
I would say the actual big issue with our Roundabouts is our large aged driving population here in The Villages. Remember, never cross a solid line, yield to cross a broken line and the number rule, if possible, enter the Roundabout alone! If it means speeding up a little or slowing down a little, do it for you own safety. If this isn’t possible, always assume the guy in the other car is going to cut you off, because it will happen way too many times. Be kind to each other.

Dennys37Packard 09-17-2020 02:11 PM
And it might not hurt to go around the circle a second time rather than STOP or cut someone off. It only takes 7 Or 8 seconds and gives you another chance to safely exit.

rogerk 09-17-2020 02:27 PM
Read the guidelines, put together by the US Department of Transportation, that appear in The Villages official phone book. If you prefer, pick up a brochure at the District office. Alternative is to go online and look at the DOT website for the guidelines.

Roundabouts save lives! Minor fender bender accidents but few if any major injuries occur in roundabouts. Common sense and defensive driving is always the safest.

Marjorie Hardman 09-17-2020 03:09 PM
Traffic Circle ROW
 
Some people also need to be reminded that those in the traffic circle have the right of way not those entering the traffic circle. I have experienced, unfortunately several times, people entering the traffic circle thinking they have the right of way. They do not.


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