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Two Bills 09-17-2020 04:11 PM

Read this thread and all will become clear why so many drivers have a problem negotiating roundabouts in TV.
The amazing thing to me, is how many actually survive the experience!

pqrstar 09-17-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerk (Post 1834409)
Read the guidelines, put together by the US Department of Transportation, that appear in The Villages official phone book. If you prefer, pick up a brochure at the District office. Alternative is to go online and look at the DOT website for the guidelines.

Here is the link to the online brochure
"A Guide to Navigating Roundabouts in Sumter County"

https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1834328)
Not even the same. Apples to oranges. The Villages is a senior living community with slow reacting "old" folks. Yes, traffic would be slowed, and that is a good thing. The speed limit on those roads is 35mph until they reach the circles and then 20mph. Too many people trying to make a straight line at the circle doing 35-40mph. Most seniors are retired and are not in a hurry to get anywhere. Commuters are in a hurry and speed on those roads, cutting in and out of traffic. Rarely do you see a resident acting like that, unless they are late for a "T" time, and that's usually driving a golf cart.

The idea is to lessen accidents, not to make those roads super highways for commuters to avoid the multi lane highways. Of course, the alternative is to take the circles out and install traffic lights. Bet that would also stop the commuters. AND it would lessen the accident rate.


No the roads like BV and MB are county roads running through villages Just like 441 runs through villages. The are not private village roads only.

big guy 09-17-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1833895)
Here is a simple way to know what to do in a traffic circle. Think of it as a 4 lane intersection. If you approach an intersection and you want to turn right you get in the right lane for your turn, if you want to turn left you get in the left lane. You never turn left from the right lane on right from the left lane in a normal 4 lane intersection. If you are going straight Through the intersection you use either lane. The Traffic circles are the same, follow the rules you use in a normal intersection and you will not have any issues.

I don't agree about not turning right from the left lane. You will see that in this diagram and that is what we were told by the sheriff's dept. And that is what the Villages brochure says. Why have the left lane? We were told that if you are going to travel more that one exit, you should be in the left lane. https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

Stu from NYC 09-17-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1834464)
Read this thread and all will become clear why so many drivers have a problem negotiating roundabouts in TV.
The amazing thing to me, is how many actually survive the experience!

Surprising there are not more accidents.

Topspinmo 09-17-2020 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1834496)
I don't agree about not turning right from the left lane. You will see that in this diagram and that is what we were told by the sheriff's dept. And that is what the Villages brochure says. Why have the left lane? We were told that if you are going to travel more that one exit, you should be in the left lane. https://www.districtgov.org/communit...t-02-08-12.pdf

The second exit is considered straight through in roundabout. You can be in either the right or left lane entering roundabout going straight through. You can not be in right lane and exit at the third exit properly, you have to exit at the first or second exit. In left lane you have to go straight through or to third exit or around aNd around, entering roundabout In left lane you can’t properly exit at the first exit.

jarodrig 09-17-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorrison123 (Post 1833882)
After another close call I thought I might discuss the right of way rules for traffic circles. It's really very easy. If you find yourself crossing a solid line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you are doing something wrong. If you wish to cross a dashed line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you may do so only if there is no body else in the lane that you wish to cross into. Traffic already in a lane has the right of way. If you wish to remain in your lane and not cross any lines, whether your lane stays in the circle or exits the circle, congratulations you have the right of way, but be very careful. The biggest issue I see are people in the right (outside) lane continuing around the circle, cutting across the dashed line that directs vehicles in the inside lane to exit. In most circles in the villages, the inside lane has the right of way to exit as shown by the lines on the road. There are exceptions of source. The green traffic signs you see as you approach the circles are informational only to help you see what roads are ahead and suggested traffic flow. They are NOT regulatory and do NOT indicate right of way of any mind.

So, stay in your lane, and if you need to cross a dashed line, check that the lane is clear first. Just that easy, but you already knew that didn't you.

I’m sorry to say that you are wasting your time.

Topic has been discussed to death and there is nothing anyone can say that will make any real difference!

Best thing to do is to drive defensively and always give the other guy the right of way , even though they don’t have it !!

Polar Bear 09-17-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 1834527)
...Best thing to do is to...always give the other guy the right of way , even though they don’t have it !!

Terrible advice for any form of transportation.

Stu from NYC 09-17-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1834547)
Terrible advice for any form of transportation.

Normally you would be right but considering the drivers here, what else can one do

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-18-2020 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1834204)


I grew up in Massachusetts. Ya had to have courage to drive in Boston. My older brother refused to do it...someone else always had to drive him into Logan airport.

I loved driving into Boston...it was a personal challenge, nobody gave anyone quarter. Cars would blow their horns when we went from 4 lanes to 1, they'd yell at ya, they'd swear at ya, they'd give ya the finger, but they'd never hit you. All you had to do was keep moving forward. We had an unspoken driver's code...ya didn't look at anyone and ya didn't use the turn signal, after all, why would you want to give the enemy an advantage my letting them know what you were going to do? LOL

Besides most of the cars going to the airport were rentals anyway...they weren't about to get into an accident...filling out all the forms would cause them to miss their flight.

I grew up in Boston and drove there all the time.

After living in Manila, I realized that Boston was a piece of cake.

CFrance 09-18-2020 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1834290)
Should never happen if theY yielded to traffic in the roundabout. You should be well pass them. But the problem they pull out into the roundabout before you cleared them. That’s why rhey are beside you unless you are creeping at 5 MPH?

Plus, I think they should change the Yield signs to say Yield to Both Lanes. You're not supposed to enter the roundabout if there is another car already in it.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-18-2020 06:31 AM

I think that terminology has a a lot to do with the confusion some people have.

Taking the first exist is often referred to as making a right turn.

Taking the second exist is often referred to as going straight ahead and taking the third exit is usually referred to as making a left hand turn.

While all of these are somewhat true, the truth is that cars exiting a round about are not really making a turn.

When taking the third exit, you are not turning right from the left hand lane. You are simply staying in your lane. The round about is part of all four roads that it connects to. So if you're headed north and intend to go west, you should get into the left hand lane and stay in it including when you leave the round about. You are not making a right hand turn. You are continuing on the same road in your lane.

Thinking of making a right hand turn from the right hand lane and a left hand turn from the left hand lane is a pretty simple and effective way of thinking about it but a round about is actually more of a curve in the road than it is an intersection. Of course, when traveling straight through or taking the second exit, you may use either lane. I always try to use the right hand lane because some people don't know the rule.

When using the left hand lane to go to the third exit (left hand turn) I am always very aware of people in the right hand lane. Some of them don't know the rules and feel that the right hand lane is safer. But the point to be made here is to ALWAYS be aware of other cars in the round about and expect them to do the wrong thing.

There is a situation that can occur when both drivers are following the rules that can be a problem. A driver enters the round about in the left hand lane heading north and intends to take the second exit. Another driver enters at approximately the same time in the right hand lane heading west and intends to go straight through. As the first driver begins to exit he is going to cut in front of the second driver. If both drivers are aware and courteous this should get worked out without a problem. If one driver is aware and paying attention, he should be able to avoid an accident. However, if both drivers are distracted, there's a good chance that they will collide and blame each other when both were following the rules.

Pay attention. Know the location of other cars and anticipate them doing the wrong thing and you'll be fine.

billethkid 09-18-2020 06:56 AM

And the magic one....yield to the other driver.

Remember the right of way is to be given....not taken!!

itsaly 09-18-2020 07:07 AM

Confession - I am that traffic circle dummy. I've been visiting The Villages a week or so every summer for the last 20 years and I have to admit I am still confused by the circles. The circles in my area are not 2 lanes, so I'm not use to navigating ones like those throughout The Villages. Every year I have to pull up the tutorial for a refresher and I do try to be very cautious, but I still goof sometimes. Please forgive me if I make a mistake. I can't imagine navigating them during snowbird season.

Rebel Pirate 09-18-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Miguel 1952 (Post 1834064)
If I had my way I would get rid of traffic circles. Why? It is confusing to many people. Hence this creates a dangerous situation. Safety must always come first.

SAFETY MUST ALWAYS COME FIRST.

Okay, so how should "safety" be defined? Some would define it as (1) reducing the number of traffic collisions to the absolute minimum at that intersection. Others would define it as (2) reducing the number of deaths and serious injuries caused by traffic collisions at that intersection.

If you believe that (2) is the appropriate definition to use in this context, then traffic circles are MUCH, MUCH safer than traditional intersections, whether those intersections are controlled by stop signs or traffic lights.

stan the man 09-18-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1833950)
Times like that wish I drove an M1.

Another great comment from stu

sjeffries 09-18-2020 07:53 AM

They have the right of way! The outside lane has to yield to a car exiting in front of them.

Topspinmo 09-18-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1834329)
Maybe I am missing something but how do you turn left? Kind of puts you in the island


Watch you’re hands! You’re either turning left or right in circle.

Topspinmo 09-18-2020 08:17 AM

IMO what I find the most unusual is people will stop before entering roundabout when no traffic in the roundabout Or coming around the roundabouts. But they will blow through stop sign or coast out into intersection creating problem for people already in line at 4 way stop ( you’re not in line at 4 way stop till you stop preferable behind the stop sign or white line stop sign on the road)

Tip? never take you’re eye off the car in front of you when entering aroundabout, they might slam on there brakes when no traffic in roundabout.

Marathon Man 09-18-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Miguel 1952 (Post 1834064)
If I had my way I would get rid of traffic circles. Why? It is confusing to many people. Hence this creates a dangerous situation. Safety must always come first.

Confusion is not an excuse. Anyone who is confused is invited to take the time to access the many sources available to learn all about the roundabouts in our community. Knowledge gets rid of confusion.

VApeople 09-18-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1834670)
And the magic one....yield to the other driver.

Remember the right of way is to be given....not taken!!

I do not agree.

I drive slowly in a roundabout, but if I have the right of way, I will take it. If I suspect another driver might take it, I honk at them, and keep honking until they back off.

Of course, if they don't back off, then I back off, which is easy to do since I am driving slowly.

kendi 09-18-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mmorrison123 (Post 1833882)
After another close call I thought I might discuss the right of way rules for traffic circles. It's really very easy. If you find yourself crossing a solid line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you are doing something wrong. If you wish to cross a dashed line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you may do so only if there is no body else in the lane that you wish to cross into. Traffic already in a lane has the right of way. If you wish to remain in your lane and not cross any lines, whether your lane stays in the circle or exits the circle, congratulations you have the right of way, but be very careful. The biggest issue I see are people in the right (outside) lane continuing around the circle, cutting across the dashed line that directs vehicles in the inside lane to exit. In most circles in the villages, the inside lane has the right of way to exit as shown by the lines on the road. There are exceptions of source. The green traffic signs you see as you approach the circles are informational only to help you see what roads are ahead and suggested traffic flow. They are NOT regulatory and do NOT indicate right of way of any mind.

So, stay in your lane, and if you need to cross a dashed line, check that the lane is clear first. Just that easy, but you already knew that didn't you.

Might be more helpful for some to post the diagram and instructions from TV weekly bulletin. But with all the temporary people coming in and out of TV doubt you'll find much improvement.

Polar Bear 09-18-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1834670)
...Remember the right of way is to be given....not taken!!

Couldn’t be more wrong. You either have right of way or you don’t. You cannot give it or take it.

And when you have it, proceed...cautiously. Do not try to give it to somebody else.

Stu from NYC 09-18-2020 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1834758)
Watch you’re hands! You’re either turning left or right in circle.

But if we are getting off the third exit we are making a right turn.

nn0wheremann 09-18-2020 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorrison123 (Post 1833882)
After another close call I thought I might discuss the right of way rules for traffic circles. It's really very easy. If you find yourself crossing a solid line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you are doing something wrong. If you wish to cross a dashed line in a traffic circle (or else where for that matter) you may do so only if there is no body else in the lane that you wish to cross into. Traffic already in a lane has the right of way. If you wish to remain in your lane and not cross any lines, whether your lane stays in the circle or exits the circle, congratulations you have the right of way, but be very careful. The biggest issue I see are people in the right (outside) lane continuing around the circle, cutting across the dashed line that directs vehicles in the inside lane to exit. In most circles in the villages, the inside lane has the right of way to exit as shown by the lines on the road. There are exceptions of source. The green traffic signs you see as you approach the circles are informational only to help you see what roads are ahead and suggested traffic flow. They are NOT regulatory and do NOT indicate right of way of any mind.

So, stay in your lane, and if you need to cross a dashed line, check that the lane is clear first. Just that easy, but you already knew that didn't you.

Wrong!
If you are in the circle, you have right of way over anyone not in the circle. Never pass within the circle, and signal your intent to turn, especially left from the outside lane or right from the inside lane, in case the Bozo snowbird or uniformed individual behind you decides they want to break the rule and pass you.

nn0wheremann 09-18-2020 04:46 PM

The Sumter County Sheriff's website has a good informative brochure about traffic circles. Get it, read it, and if it confuses you, drive carefully to the station and ask the nice folks there to explain it.

It would be an improvement if all the circles were constructed, striped, and signed consistently too. The Morse circle by the Villages Hospital is a mess. Two lanes of El Camino enter, and exit to one lane of Paige Place. They ought to mark the right lane of El Camino Real as right turn only to Southbound Morse, so the through traffic moves from left lane to center lane in the circle and out across the right lane of the circle to Paige. But do not hold your breath.

Then there is the golf cart traffic trying to cross Morse and El Camino Real. They ought to move the gate arms up to the circle, or put the golf cart crossing below the gate arms for Morse southbound... For northbound Morse, we need gates to protect the west and southbound golf cart traffic. But don't hold your breath. Or do. Aerobic Golf Carting is held every day from 11:30 to 12:30 at the Morse circle by the Villages Hospital.

Carla B 09-18-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 1835057)
Wrong!
If you are in the circle, you have right of way over anyone not in the circle. Never pass within the circle, and signal your intent to turn, especially left from the outside lane or right from the inside lane, in case the Bozo snowbird or uniformed individual behind you decides they want to break the rule and pass you.

Now I'm confused, after 12 years here. Turn left from the outside lane? If you're in the outside lane, you're there to (1) go right at the first exit or (2) go straight to the second exit. If going to the third exit you should have entered the circle and crossed immediately to the inside lane, except for the Morse circle by the hospital, and then all bets are off. If new here, in order to know which lane to be in before you get to a circle, study The Villages map and plot your course.

Two Bills 09-19-2020 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sjeffries (Post 1834742)
They have the right of way! The outside lane has to yield to a car exiting in front of them.

I wanted to stay out of this thread.
But.
Posts like yours are the reason people get confused about proceedure, and are dangerous.
No one should have to give way in a roundabout except in emergency, that is the whole idea of them!
If a car has to give way in the roundabout, one or the other is in the wrong lane, or entered the roundabout before it was clear in both lanes to their left!!

MDLNB 09-19-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1834492)
No the roads like BV and MB are county roads running through villages Just like 441 runs through villages. The are not private village roads only.


Hmm, I suppose the gate at Morse and Rt466 might disprove that theory. Or, the one at the circle.

MDLNB 09-19-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1834758)
Watch you’re hands! You’re either turning left or right in circle.


Actually, you are ALWAYS turning right from a circle. You cannot make a left turn or drive straight without traveling over the center green. I have seen one person straighten out a circle, but I am sure they got a ticket after the police arrived.

jarodrig 09-19-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1835478)
Hmm, I suppose the gate at Morse and Rt466 might disprove that theory. Or, the one at the circle.

Hummm.... Perhaps this might clear up your misconception ??

Jazzman 09-20-2020 10:09 AM

You are correct. Just yesterday on Buena Vista I was behind a sheriffs vehicle. The car in front of him entered the circle in the outside lane and then proceeded to continue going left in the circle. In less than two seconds the sheriff turned on his lights and followed the car around the circle and pulled the driver over.

Medtrans 09-20-2020 10:40 AM

I was cut off in one the other day by a dump truck with a contractor pick-up right behind him following him. My defensive driving prevented an accident.

Topspinmo 09-20-2020 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1835481)
Actually, you are ALWAYS turning right from a circle. You cannot make a left turn or drive straight without traveling over the center green. I have seen one person straighten out a circle, but I am sure they got a ticket after the police arrived.

You can’t go around in circle counter clockwise with out turning left, yes you initial turn right but when you get in circle going counterclockwise you’re turning left till you exit to right.

Stu from NYC 09-20-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1835989)
You can’t go around in circle counter clockwise with out turning left, yes you initial turn right but when you get in circle going counterclockwise you’re turning left till you exit to right.

I see your point now

VApeople 09-20-2020 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Medtrans (Post 1835952)
I was cut off in one the other day by a dump truck with a contractor pick-up right behind him following him. My defensive driving prevented an accident.

Please give us more info about this incident. Thanks.

starflyte1 09-20-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1835478)
Hmm, I suppose the gate at Morse and Rt466 might disprove that theory. Or, the one at the circle.

No, the gates can not keep anyone out, but try to slow traffic and get a picture of your license plate. Anyone can enter TV

Medtrans 09-20-2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1835998)
Please give us more info about this incident. Thanks.

I was going north on Morse in the left (inside) lane and going straight. Truck and pickup truck are in the right lane (outside) and basically turned left from a right hand lane. You can’t do that. If he wanted to go around the roundabout, he should have bee pen in the inside lane. My defensive driving stopped me from being in an accident. It’s not just Villagers who don’t understand roundabouts....contractors too.

VApeople 09-20-2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Medtrans (Post 1836116)
I was going north on Morse in the left (inside) lane and going straight. Truck and pickup truck are in the right lane (outside) and basically turned left from a right hand lane. You can’t do that. If he wanted to go around the roundabout, he should have bee pen in the inside lane. My defensive driving stopped me from being in an accident. It’s not just Villagers who don’t understand roundabouts....contractors too.

Yeah, you did very good to avoid an accident. I never go thru a roundabout in the inside lane because I am afraid someone in the outside lane will do exactly what the trucks did to you.

Of course, when I have to go 3/4 of the way around a roundabout to exit, I watch the other drivers closely and, if I suspect they might cut me off, I blow my horn and keep blowing it until I have exited safely. In fact, that happens a lot to me, including yesterday.

Medtrans 09-21-2020 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1836141)
Yeah, you did very good to avoid an accident. I never go thru a roundabout in the inside lane because I am afraid someone in the outside lane will do exactly what the trucks did to you.

Of course, when I have to go 3/4 of the way around a roundabout to exit, I watch the other drivers closely and, if I suspect they might cut me off, I blow my horn and keep blowing it until I have exited safely. In fact, that happens a lot to me, including yesterday.

I too try to stay in the outside lane until it’s time to exit left but this time I was driving in it...probably because of the dump truck and pick-it following him on the right. Too bad one has to be worried about what is essentially going straight? When you’re on a highway you don’t worry that someone in the right lane will turn left in front of you.....why is it such a problem here?


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