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Villagesgal 06-01-2021 05:47 AM

I will not enter an intersection to turn left unless it is clear.. I was pulled over by a Sheriff here in Florida and told never to block an intersection, to only go out into the intersection if I could make the left turn without stopping..

Here's how the Department of Licensing interprets the law in the Driver Guide : “Drivers must not enter an intersection unless they can get through it without having to stop.” That would seem to mean that even for left turns you shouldn't pull into the intersection and wait for a gap.

jswirs 06-01-2021 05:55 AM

I agree with most of what you have stated, however, all of this is partly offset by the fact that THERE ARE VERY FEW "NO TURN ON RED" signs here in Fl. I come from Pa., and there are "no turn on red" signs on almost every other intersection. Sometimes I would look and try to understand why there are so many of these signs, many of which do make any sense. Also, Pa. has a speed limit of 5 MPH when going through toll booths, another ridiculous law. Further, I do not see nearly as many cops sitting hidden somewhere with "Itchy ticket fingers", just waiting to catch someone going 7 MPH over the speed limit. These facts offset all of the problems you mention, IMHO.

Professor 06-01-2021 06:14 AM

Sorry you have to live this way. What is your rush anyway...just enjoy being alive with reasonably good health and you will enjoy the day much more...

Girlcopper 06-01-2021 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 1952939)
And by sitting behind the intersection while you have a green light ....and waiting .....instead of proceeding into the intersection, you prevent others behind you from following. As far as I know it is legal and safe for a driver to move into the center of the intersection when the light is green and wait for an opportunity to torn left against oncoming traffic. The light is green!!! Use it! Please!!!

No. Its illegal. Read your traffic laws. You are not permitted to enter an intersection until you have immediate clearance. Though I agree its a pain. Thats the legal way to do it

Bill14564 06-01-2021 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1953380)
No. Its illegal. Read your traffic laws. You are not permitted to enter an intersection until you have immediate clearance. Though I agree its a pain. Thats the legal way to do it

Do you mean these Florida traffic laws? I didn't find any mention of immediate clearance.

The video posted earlier in this thread seems to describe the safe and logical movement of traffic. Personally, I don't like to enter the intersection to make a left unless I have a good reason to believe I will be able to complete my turn *before* the light turns red. However, the laws above seem to allow a single car to enter the intersection to make a left turn and to wait in the intersection while yielding to oncoming traffic and pedestrians.

Bilyclub 06-01-2021 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1953380)
No. Its illegal. Read your traffic laws. You are not permitted to enter an intersection until you have immediate clearance. Though I agree its a pain. Thats the legal way to do it

I have gone or thru Florida Chapter 316 and do not see anything like that for left turning vehicles. You obviously were not Florida copper or you would know this law chapter and verse. Quit saying it's illegal without backing it up.

DAVES 06-01-2021 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grill Meister (Post 1952768)
TRAFFIC CONTROLS IN THE TRI-COUNTIES
Let’s begin with my admitting that I am an impatient son-of-a-gun and if things don’t go my way I have a hissy fit.

I have some terrible issues with the traffic controls in Tri-Counties. I have lived in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, California and Florida (Miami, Sarasota, St. Pete, Tampa, Jacksonville, Tallahassee and now The Villages) and I have never experienced the traffic controls like the ones we face daily….if we’re out on the highways.
In most other locations, the traffic engineers time the traffic signals to have an orderly flow of traffic. The primary issue is, of course, is SAFETY. The flow of traffic traveling at the posted speed limit should be able to continue through the traffic signals without having to stop. But not here. If you drive on US 441/27 you are lucky if you can get through two traffic signals without stopping and I mean lucky. Most of the time, you will have to stop at every stinking light. We drove through Leesburg this morning and every….EVERY light caught us.

And, I have never experienced the left turn arrow as we have here. In most locations, other than the tri-counties, you may have a left turn arrow, which gives you total right of way against opposing traffic. When that turn arrow goes to caution (yellow) you know that your right of way against opposing traffic is about to cease and you need to prepare to stop. But, then after the caution light goes off, you have a green light….in most other locations; but you also have opposing traffic, so you have better wait until you have a break in traffic before your turn left. Here, in the tri-counties, the turn arrow goes to red and you sit and sit and sit, even though there may not be any traffic coming at you. And that’s compounded by some wonderful driver who will not pull out into the intersection so that they can turn left when the traffic has a gap or when the light turns red. AAAARRRRGGGG!!!

Another wonderful bit of timing frequently occurs and the intersection of Buenos Aries and Hwy 466. Those lights are so timed that there may be no traffic at all allowed through in any direction. Cars on 466 in both directions just sit. Traffic on Buenos Aires just sit. Ain’t nobody goin’ no where.

Now can somebody explain to this growly impatient pain in the #$$@ what is going on?

I realize that I can rationalize my feelings with the justification that all that idle time you are just sitting in your automobile is a terrible waste of gasoline, polluting the environment, but I admitted that I am impatient and I am, but my greatest area of impatience is stupidity. You can’t cure stupidity and the traffic controls around here are just stupid.

And….I might add….I love our seasonal neighbors, aka, Snow Birds. They are great people and make great friends and neighbors. It’s those other idiots that come down here and don’t know how to drive around The Villages that get on our nerves. The are arrogant, abusive, antagonistic, rude and just down right nasty and they give a bad name to our wonderful seasonal neighbors whom we love so dearly.

Incidentally, I do not moan and groan about “the developer” making money and increasing prices. They must make a profit. It’s their investment of time, money and resources and they damned sure should make a profit. Do you want to live in a community that was created and controlled by a bunch of idiots? If they didn’t make profits, they would go bankrupt and leave us high and dry to fend for ourselves. But the traffic around here stinks.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:


You ask for suggestions. GROW UP. The world does not revolve around you. Nothing ever is or will be perfect in the real world.

larrycrilley@gmail.com 06-01-2021 08:42 AM

These lights are frustrating to me as well. However after spending 40+ years of driving the streets of all 5 Boroughs of NYC. I worked and lived in Queens with a 15 mile commute that was 45 minutes on a good day and well over an hour on most days. I find the traffic conditions here to be nirvana!

Astron 06-01-2021 11:35 AM

Patience is a virtue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grill Meister (Post 1952768)
TRAFFIC CONTROLS IN THE TRI-COUNTIES
Let’s begin with my admitting that I am an impatient son-of-a-gun and if things don’t go my way I have a hissy fit.

I have some terrible issues with the traffic controls in Tri-Counties. I have lived in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, California and Florida (Miami, Sarasota, St. Pete, Tampa, Jacksonville, Tallahassee and now The Villages) and I have never experienced the traffic controls like the ones we face daily….if we’re out on the highways.
In most other locations, the traffic engineers time the traffic signals to have an orderly flow of traffic. The primary issue is, of course, is SAFETY. The flow of traffic traveling at the posted speed limit should be able to continue through the traffic signals without having to stop. But not here. If you drive on US 441/27 you are lucky if you can get through two traffic signals without stopping and I mean lucky. Most of the time, you will have to stop at every stinking light. We drove through Leesburg this morning and every….EVERY light caught us.

And, I have never experienced the left turn arrow as we have here. In most locations, other than the tri-counties, you may have a left turn arrow, which gives you total right of way against opposing traffic. When that turn arrow goes to caution (yellow) you know that your right of way against opposing traffic is about to cease and you need to prepare to stop. But, then after the caution light goes off, you have a green light….in most other locations; but you also have opposing traffic, so you have better wait until you have a break in traffic before your turn left. Here, in the tri-counties, the turn arrow goes to red and you sit and sit and sit, even though there may not be any traffic coming at you. And that’s compounded by some wonderful driver who will not pull out into the intersection so that they can turn left when the traffic has a gap or when the light turns red. AAAARRRRGGGG!!!

Another wonderful bit of timing frequently occurs and the intersection of Buenos Aries and Hwy 466. Those lights are so timed that there may be no traffic at all allowed through in any direction. Cars on 466 in both directions just sit. Traffic on Buenos Aires just sit. Ain’t nobody goin’ no where.

Now can somebody explain to this growly impatient pain in the #$$@ what is going on?

I realize that I can rationalize my feelings with the justification that all that idle time you are just sitting in your automobile is a terrible waste of gasoline, polluting the environment, but I admitted that I am impatient and I am, but my greatest area of impatience is stupidity. You can’t cure stupidity and the traffic controls around here are just stupid.

And….I might add….I love our seasonal neighbors, aka, Snow Birds. They are great people and make great friends and neighbors. It’s those other idiots that come down here and don’t know how to drive around The Villages that get on our nerves. The are arrogant, abusive, antagonistic, rude and just down right nasty and they give a bad name to our wonderful seasonal neighbors whom we love so dearly.

Incidentally, I do not moan and groan about “the developer” making money and increasing prices. They must make a profit. It’s their investment of time, money and resources and they damned sure should make a profit. Do you want to live in a community that was created and controlled by a bunch of idiots? If they didn’t make profits, they would go bankrupt and leave us high and dry to fend for ourselves. But the traffic around here stinks.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

Relax and enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Spend your energy on actions that you can control, and accept situations that you cannot control. Getting angered by someone you cannot effect just increases stress for you. If traffic light timing bothers you, contact the agency in charge, collect a petition, try to calmly change the situation.
Having lived from Hawaii to New England to Florida, I can say with confidence every locale has it’s unique driving style and unique challenges that will seem wrong to people used to driving in a different locale. Don’t sweat the small stuff, and go with the flow. You really have little else you can do safely. :posting:

Astron 06-01-2021 12:55 PM

Patience is a virtue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grill Meister (Post 1952768)
TRAFFIC CONTROLS IN THE TRI-COUNTIES
Let’s begin with my admitting that I am an impatient son-of-a-gun and if things don’t go my way I have a hissy fit.

I have some terrible issues with the traffic controls in Tri-Counties. I have lived in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, California and Florida (Miami, Sarasota, St. Pete, Tampa, Jacksonville, Tallahassee and now The Villages) and I have never experienced the traffic controls like the ones we face daily….if we’re out on the highways.
In most other locations, the traffic engineers time the traffic signals to have an orderly flow of traffic. The primary issue is, of course, is SAFETY. The flow of traffic traveling at the posted speed limit should be able to continue through the traffic signals without having to stop. But not here. If you drive on US 441/27 you are lucky if you can get through two traffic signals without stopping and I mean lucky. Most of the time, you will have to stop at every stinking light. We drove through Leesburg this morning and every….EVERY light caught us.

And, I have never experienced the left turn arrow as we have here. In most locations, other than the tri-counties, you may have a left turn arrow, which gives you total right of way against opposing traffic. When that turn arrow goes to caution (yellow) you know that your right of way against opposing traffic is about to cease and you need to prepare to stop. But, then after the caution light goes off, you have a green light….in most other locations; but you also have opposing traffic, so you have better wait until you have a break in traffic before your turn left. Here, in the tri-counties, the turn arrow goes to red and you sit and sit and sit, even though there may not be any traffic coming at you. And that’s compounded by some wonderful driver who will not pull out into the intersection so that they can turn left when the traffic has a gap or when the light turns red. AAAARRRRGGGG!!!

Another wonderful bit of timing frequently occurs and the intersection of Buenos Aries and Hwy 466. Those lights are so timed that there may be no traffic at all allowed through in any direction. Cars on 466 in both directions just sit. Traffic on Buenos Aires just sit. Ain’t nobody goin’ no where.

Now can somebody explain to this growly impatient pain in the #$$@ what is going on?

I realize that I can rationalize my feelings with the justification that all that idle time you are just sitting in your automobile is a terrible waste of gasoline, polluting the environment, but I admitted that I am impatient and I am, but my greatest area of impatience is stupidity. You can’t cure stupidity and the traffic controls around here are just stupid.

And….I might add….I love our seasonal neighbors, aka, Snow Birds. They are great people and make great friends and neighbors. It’s those other idiots that come down here and don’t know how to drive around The Villages that get on our nerves. The are arrogant, abusive, antagonistic, rude and just down right nasty and they give a bad name to our wonderful seasonal neighbors whom we love so dearly.

Incidentally, I do not moan and groan about “the developer” making money and increasing prices. They must make a profit. It’s their investment of time, money and resources and they damned sure should make a profit. Do you want to live in a community that was created and controlled by a bunch of idiots? If they didn’t make profits, they would go bankrupt and leave us high and dry to fend for ourselves. But the traffic around here stinks.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

Relax and enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Spend your energy on actions that you can control, and accept situations that you cannot control. Getting angered by someone you cannot effect just increases stress for you. If traffic light timing bothers you, contact the agency in charge, collect a petition, try to calmly change the situation.
Having lived from Hawaii to New England to Florida, I can say with confidence every locale has it’s unique driving style and unique challenges that will seem wrong to people used to driving in a different locale. Don’t sweat the small stuff, and go with the flow. You really have little else you can do safely. :posting:

golfing eagles 06-01-2021 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1953535)
Relax and enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Spend your energy on actions that you can control, and accept situations that you cannot control. Getting angered by someone you cannot effect just increases stress for you. If traffic light timing bothers you, contact the agency in charge, collect a petition, try to calmly change the situation.
Having lived from Hawaii to New England to Florida, I can say with confidence every locale has it’s unique driving style and unique challenges that will seem wrong to people used to driving in a different locale. Don’t sweat the small stuff, and go with the flow. You really have little else you can do safely. :posting:

Did this post evolve, change or take on increased importance in the last 1 hour and 20 minutes???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

VApeople 06-01-2021 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1953292)
Once again I have to ask, as before, in RBs, are you seriously stating that you INTENTIONALLY stay in the right (outer) lane even if you are going around 270 to the 3rd exit?????? If so, you are not only part of the problem and not part of the solution, but EXTREMELY DANGEROUS as well to the rest of us who know what we are doing. Please stay off the road or learn to drive a RB!

Dream on. They will not stay off the road.

We just have to learn how to deal with them.

Bilyclub 06-01-2021 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1953535)
Relax and enjoy the journey, not just the destination. Spend your energy on actions that you can control, and accept situations that you cannot control. Getting angered by someone you cannot effect just increases stress for you. If traffic light timing bothers you, contact the agency in charge, collect a petition, try to calmly change the situation.
Having lived from Hawaii to New England to Florida, I can say with confidence every locale has it’s unique driving style and unique challenges that will seem wrong to people used to driving in a different locale. Don’t sweat the small stuff, and go with the flow. You really have little else you can do safely. :posting:


Nothing like thinking your post is so good you post it twice.:MOJE_whot::boom::pray:

graciegirl 06-01-2021 02:05 PM

Drive carefully. You are important to the rest of us.

golfing eagles 06-01-2021 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1953557)
Dream on. They will not stay off the road.

We just have to learn how to deal with them.

I just hope that person understands that when (not if) he gets in an accident in a RB, it is HE that will get a ticket, it is HIS insurance that will pay to fix BOTH vehicles, it is HIS insurance premium that will skyrocket, and God forbid there is any personal injury he better hope he has a large umbrella policy, because Dan Newlin/Morgan & Morgan will have a field day

Laker14 06-01-2021 06:19 PM

Sometimes, you just have to chill. It will be OK. R-E-L-A-X....reeeelaxxxxx......

VApeople 06-01-2021 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1953580)
I just hope that person understands that when (not if) he gets in an accident in a RB, it is HE that will get a ticket

We all know he does not understand that he is in the wrong. He thinks he is in the right.

That's why we gotta expect him to do what he does.

Bilyclub 06-02-2021 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1953275)
Again and again I believe the lights your timed so you do not speed. Please remember Leesburg itself has many many retail stores that are small and have inlets and outlets going on to the highway so the speed limit is less. It's for your safety as well as mine so next time you see someone pulling out of Wendy's you're not doing 55 mph but you're doing 35 etc etc etc. And if you don't like 27 in Leesburg please stay in the bubble

From your previous posts you show disdain for TV, so since you live in Leesburg, please stay out of our bubble.

DaveGodin 06-03-2021 12:13 PM

An Orlando TV station ran a short video created by some young folks just as impatient as you seem to be. In the video, 4 guys jumped out of their car, set up a card table and chairs, and played cards while they waited for the light to change. I've never seen a period between light changes anywhere as long as they are in Florida. After a while I've become numb to it.

Joe V. 06-03-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveGodin (Post 1954356)
An Orlando TV station ran a short video created by some young folks just as impatient as you seem to be. In the video, 4 guys jumped out of their car, set up a card table and chairs, and played cards while they waited for the light to change. I've never seen a period between light changes anywhere as long as they are in Florida. After a while I've become numb to it.

Guess you never have driven in San Antonio.

FLgirlNow 06-03-2021 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrissy55 (Post 1953065)
You are right on so many levels but I will add to your list that people in Florida do not use turn signals.when driving their cars or golf carts. It’s very frustrating and dangerous.

I agree. Please use your turn signals! And even more dangerous are those in a golf cart or a motorcycle with a left-turn signal on at a 4-way stop and then they go STRAIGHT. I almost hit a bike that way up by Publix in SSpgs. We both came to the stop at the same time across from each other. I had my left turn signal on and so did he. I stopped at the stop sign and then started again with a left-hand turn and at the same time he hit his gas on his bike and instead of making the left-hand turn he went STRAIGHT in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and he swerved and it was a near miss. He probably noticed his signal was on later and realized he would have been at fault IF he had lived (no helmet!). So ... signals are great, but PLEASE make sure your bike or golf cart's signals aren't on when you think they're off. Saw the same thing up at the Chula Vista Rec Center. Golf car approaching with right-hand signal on and another car making a left-hand turn onto Rio Grande. Golf cart was moving pretty fast and it didn't turn and went straight in front of the car. Other car obviously had a pretty good driver to realize what that cart was doing and he hadn't pulled out for his left avoiding an accident.

Willow&Darla 06-03-2021 05:55 PM

Why get yourself stressed out over small things? Give yourself more driving time to your desired destination and take deep breaths while waiting for the red light to change. Works well for me.

VApeople 06-03-2021 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLgirlNow (Post 1954408)
Other car obviously had a pretty good driver to realize what that cart was doing and he hadn't pulled out for his left avoiding an accident.

All of us who survive driving in The Villages are "pretty good drivers". We pay attention when we drive and expect the unexpected.

nn0wheremann 06-07-2021 12:51 PM

I think the traffic lights on 441/27 are controlled by magnetic sensors at the stop lines by the cross streets. If no traffic on the cross street the lights stay green. Sometimes.

As to taking possession of the intersection awaiting a left turn against opposing traffic, that may be Gospel in Chicago or other high traffic density locales, but so far as I can determine the practice will get you a ticket in Florida. Besides some young bozo in a pickup truck will probably run the red light against you and leave you stranded there.

What gets my goat is the unpredictability of the left turn arrow lights. Some come on when the your traffic direction goes green. Some allow left turns in both directions at once. Some come on after your traffic direction goes from green to red but before the cross street gets the green. I don't know if the left turn arrows are randomly generated or controlled by the phase of the moon. Welcome to Florida.

Joe V. 06-07-2021 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 1955865)
Besides some young bozo in a pickup truck will probably run the red light against you and leave you stranded there.

Or some old-fart in a 1991 Mercury Marquis ....


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