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calgone 04-18-2013 07:55 PM
300-500$

The Flash 04-18-2013 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Buckeyes (Post 661956)
You.ve been driving for 50 and had to take a driving class?
No one "had" to take a class. But if you choose to take the class there are no points against your license.

Indydealmaker 04-18-2013 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 661855)
You are entitled to your opinion .... but that is all that it is your opinion and you sure as heck do not get to decide when the story ends!

IMO .... ticketing at golf cart for going 22-23 mph and not 20 is a giant waste of time and resources. Especially considering that SCSO only has jurisdiction in the "diamond" lanes and not on the Multi Modal Paths. It is however a nice profit center.
You miss the point. The cop did you a favor. If you had been involved in a serious accident with injury, it is likely that your comfy retirement would be over because you would have no insurance. Your insurance, if any, is currently for a "golf cart" and because you had a vehicle capable of going over 20, you were no longer driving a "golf cart". Hence it is an unregistered vehicle.

LndLocked 04-18-2013 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 661996)
You miss the point. The cop did you a favor. If you had been involved in a serious accident with injury, it is likely that your comfy retirement would be over because you would have no insurance. Your insurance, if any, is currently for a "golf cart" and because you had a vehicle capable of going over 20, you were no longer driving a "golf cart". Hence it is an unregistered vehicle.
I missed no point and I am not the op.

Further, if as you say "I" would have had an accident ... how would SCSO been able to determine my rate of speed at the time of the accident???????

Indydealmaker 04-18-2013 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 662002)
I missed no point and I am not the op.

Further, if as you say "I" would have had an accident ... how would SCSO been able to determine my rate of speed at the time of the accident???????
Sorry, I clicked on the wrong post to reply. However, to answer your question, you insurance company sends the "unregistered vehicle" to a shop to verify that it has been modified to have the capability to motor faster than 20 mph. The issue is not actually speed at the time of the accident, but whether or not you have a properly insured vehicle. Insurance companies do not like to pay claims and will use very trick in the book to their advantage. When you have a modified golf cart, you play into their hands.

bluedog103 04-18-2013 09:23 PM
OP got a summons and will have to pay a fine. Having said this, this law is a Mickey Mouse as they come. I see far more serious actions every day driving around TV but rarely hear of enforcement of laws except those which are speed related. I routinely see cars blowing stop signs, failing to signal, bouncing their carts off curbs and weaving back and forth across the white line (not passing, just meandering along) and nothing is said and nobody stopped. These are all dangerous maneuvers which can and sometimes do cause serious injuries. Let someone go a couple of miles over the speed limit and people are calling for the head of this miscreant. Yes, I know it's not a speeding ticket but the summons was caused by speed.
I have to agree with Russ Boston on this one. These laws are archaic. I don't see where driving a golf cart at a rip snorting 22 mph is a helluva lot more dangerous that cruising along at 19.9 mph. but running a stop sign is absolutely, positively hazardous and can and does lead to fatalities. If the police want to really do something to make driving in TV safer, how about focusing on violations which are actually dangerous. They're obviously choosing which laws to enforce so why not enforce something that will save lives?

Tom Grooms 04-18-2013 09:37 PM
Unfortunately, this is a criminal offense and you must appear in criminal court. Everybody in the courtroom pays the $256 court cost plus any fines. When I was there an 82 year old woman was trying to explain that she didn't understand what happened to the judge , the judge said he seen this more than 300 times and issued her a $110 fine plus the $256 court cost. Ouch! You can't fight it, the DA will not move on these violations. I wouldn't bother hiring a lawyer, just be very pleasant with the judge apologize and maybe he won't fine you but you're still sacked with the $256 court cost.

It's a total money grab. I was in court because I got the same ticket on the
parking lot of the license bureau
registering a car I just purchased that same day

DonH57 04-18-2013 10:20 PM
Speaking of that in comparison to other traffic laws I always wondered how if you drive 21 mph in a golf cart and the limit is 20 mph the "speeding ticket" becomes "driving an unregistered vehicle". If you are going 21 in a 20 zone in a car it's still called speeding. The dierence in fine amounts makes me question the intent of public safety measures as a automobile becomes a heavier projectile with speed. Maybe I'm confusing myself now but I dn't understand the fine ratio as per vehicle type. Maybe others understand. ?

CFrance 04-18-2013 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Buckeyes (Post 661956)
You.ve been driving for 50 and had to take a driving class?
I too thought that was odd. Is it because of age?

Tom Grooms 04-18-2013 10:29 PM
Nothing to understand, it's a total money grab. Speeding tickets are traffic violations. Why would you issue those if you can issue criminal offenses and collect the outrageous court cost and huge fines.

Tom Grooms 04-18-2013 10:34 PM
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This is the photo I took getting ticketed in the parking lot of the license bureau for "unregistered motor vehicle". Can you believe that? Total BS!

OnTrack 04-18-2013 10:35 PM
There are a number of very accurate speedometer apps out there for smart phones.

Some of you folks should download one.

I'll bet a lot of folks will be shocked......when they find out that theirs go more than 20 mph also. ;)

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skyc6 04-18-2013 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 661972)
Goodie two shoes comments aside I think the bigger issue is that golf cart laws are archaic when it comes to golf cart communities like TV. These are not your average golf carts anymore. Many of us have seat belts, some have enclosures, some have beefed up brakes and suspensions etc. etc.

Does anyone really think 24 mph is too fast in the diamond lanes? I don't. I have one cart that is governed at 20mph and I get passed by 40% of drivers on Bailey Trail. I'm not mad at them and they do it safely. My other cart is capable of exceeding 20mph but I try to keep it around 22 or so but even that seems slow.

Let's remember this (and you can search this site for verification): We were once told for many years that it is better to NOT have seat belts in our golf carts. Lt. Wolfe of Sumter County would cite some outdated and not relevant video showing roll overs. Well times have changed and if you read the POA bulletin every month you'll see that seat belts DO help the vast majority of cart accidents. My point is that just because we have a law doesn't mean the law shouldn't be reviewed and amended based on new technology. I think it is time for that review. But in the meantime don't get caught speeding or driving an 'unregistered vehicle (that's a joke)'
Very sensible well written post! It seems an easy moneymaker for the local police force. To suggest that someone should be "prosecuted to the full extent of the law" for driving 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit sounds like Aunt Bea in Mayberry.

OnTrack 04-18-2013 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by skyc6 (Post 662047)
To suggest that someone should be "prosecuted to the full extent of the law" for driving 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit sounds like Aunt Bea in Mayberry.
That's not being fair to Aunt Bea.




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DonH57 04-18-2013 10:56 PM
When we got our new cart I measured the speedometer against the garmin. Our cart at most on flat ground with only me in it will only go 20.5 at the very most. It's my observation here inTV is that there is much more of a problem with speeding cars than carts. Morse blvd seems to be a racetrack lately. I also believe the majority of these drivers are not villagers using morse as a cut thru.


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