Who said anything about giving money to the PBA? These were neighbors and friends of my sons who were officers. I respect them enormously even before they offered the cards to me and Mrs. Nucky. I, knock on wood have not gotten a speeding ticket since around 1976 when I was escorted to my home by an officer who was friends with my father. I was put on cross examination in front of my Dad. 99MPH in a 50MPH zone. The ticket was reduced greatly, I don't remember that part exactly. The lesson from the beating from my father and 90 days without the car has stuck with me for my entire life. On a long trip if I speed I know it's time to get off the road because I'm tired.

A fairly damning report of the integrity of officers...don't call them cops please....please Google...Discretion is Valor in Traffic Stops. These men I spoke with approach me to talk and open up about their experience with their job when we were at various picnics. My kids tell them I'm easy to talk to and listen well. They obviously need to vent about what goes on because of the stress. My respect level is high for all who protect our country and those who protect our community, especially the officer who wrote the ticket in front of my dad.

he exceeded the limit by 30%, that's significant

This is a recurrent theme on TOTV---"We're retired, what's the rush?". So I'll risk taking a 75-25 unpopular opinion.

First of all, I personally don't speed in TV, and won't defend it. So these comments are really addressed to the issue of following the speed limit vs. driving significantly below it.

BEFORE we were retired, we had lots of things to do. We needed to get to work on time, pick up the kids from school on time, get them to their soccer game on time, etc. We didn't budget extra time for dealing with drivers going 10 mph under the speed limit, and were (?appropriately) frustrated when we encountered them.

NOW, that we are retired, we have lots of things to do, just more fun. People want to get to their tee time, medical appointments, club meetings etc. on time. We don't want to spend our time dawdling on the roadways just because we are retired, there are plenty of better things to be doing, especially as our time on Earth gets more and more limited.

IF someone, due to deteriorating vision, loss of reflexes or loss of driving skills needs to go slower, that's fine, I want them to be safe. But don't expect us to stay behind someone going 20 in a 35 zone or be happy about it, just because we are "retired"

Then there is the small subset of drivers who think they should make the rules for everyone else. These are the people who plant themselves in the left lane of 466/466A/44 and drive 30-35 in a 45 zone because THEY think it is fast enough. Guess what?---you don't make the laws or enforce them, and I don't answer to YOU. If someone wants to speed, that's between them, their conscience, and LEO. MYOB!, and get in the right lane

I may be wrong, but as I recall any road where the golf carts are allowed to drive that does NOT have a designated golf cart lane, has a 20 MPH speed limit. Burnsed blvd (Pinellas plaza) is another example of a road with a 20 MPH limit.

It's about time. I was just commenting on how fast people have been driving. I've noticed it more and more. A lot seems to be commercial trucks.

so falsifying statements by police is ok? oh come on officer i only shot him once, can't you let me off

I'm not sure about that. What's more "significant", 26 in a 20 zone or 91 in a 70 zone, both are "30%" over the limit, but not equally safe, IMHO. The significance is that by exceeding the speed limit the OP took a gamble, and lost. You can't be a crybaby and whine just because you got caught.

Isn't it funny how so many can condemn "us" for getting a ticket when we could almost walk that fast. So many can say that you shouldn't speed...granted your right .... but speeding is not doing 26 mph or some other "ridiculous" speed such as this. And it happens all the time instead of being in a dangerous condition they find "anything" to generate fee's. It also amazes me how so many of the "How Great Thou Art" NORTHERN people think everyone "else" should be crucified.....because "they" NEVER do anything wrong.
So I guess "this person" was also IN THE WRONG and the laws are "always" right? Some people need to understand "common sense"

Double entendre?

The story below from someone who received a citation while driving their golf cart in The Villages was passed along to me this week, and I thought it was worth sharing with you here.

Its a great reminder that when you’re in a golf cart, traffic laws still apply and they might be different that the laws you follow when in your car.

Another resource I discovered while putting this article together is GolfCartSafety.com which is run by a local law firm representing people in cases involving carts, but regardless of how you feel about lawyers its a pretty good resource so check it out.

Anyway, here’s the email I received: (Names have been removed to protect the innocent)

Recently my wife and I were going to Spanish Springs to meet another couple for dinner and a movie. Somewhere along Morse Blvd., out of the blue, I see a Deputy Sheriff on a motorcycle with his lights flashing behind me in the (Golf Cart) ‘Diamond Lane’.

I pulled to a stop and the Deputy informed me that I was exceeding 20mph in my “golf cart”. He gave me a slip of paper which stated that the Florida Statute 320.01 defines a golf cart as a vehicle which is NOT CAPABLE of exceeding 20 mph.

Because of this, when I exceeded 20 mph I was no longer in a golf cart but I was driving a motorized vehicle on public roads without proper registration or license. He then served me with a citation to that effect and told me it was a criminal offense.

He also said that if I produced a certified letter from a golf cart shop that the golf cart was adjusted to not exceed 20 mph the judge may let me off with just court costs. The citation had a date that I was to appear in the county court in Bushnell, FL. It also stated “Criminal Violation court appearance required”.

I thought to myself – here I am enjoying one of the most talked about benefits of “Florida’s Most Friendly City” on my way to a movie and I end up as a criminal.

I was very anxious so when I got home I searched the internet trying to find out how hot the water was that I was in. I went to TalkOfTheVillages and found some discussion related to my situation.

I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail.

I thought WHAT! – Morse Blvd. has a speed limit of 30mph – I was not going any speed close to the limit and I could end up fined and in jail because I was in a golf cart and not in a car. And in addition to that I will now have a CRIMINAL RECORD.
Going to Court

I appeared in court in Bushnell at 9:00 a.m. on the proper date. Misdemeanor offenses are prosecuted in Courtroom B of the court house. The Judge took time to explain in great detail how the pleading process worked and the procedure that followed each type of plea. He also said that he puts everyone on probation, usually for six months, to allow them time to pay the costs incurred. One important note stated by the judge is that he evaluates each case on its own merits, so a person should not expect the same sentencing as any other person who committed the same violation. His questions to each person who I witnessed appearing before him, including myself, were to clarify the violation and circumstances related to it.

When I was called to come before him, he read the charge and ask me for my plea. My plea was “No Contest” because I had no idea I was creating a criminal offense by driving the golf cart in excess of 20 mph. I now know I was wrong, but I didn’t even think I was speeding since Morse Blvd. has a 30 mph speed limit.

The Judge was very pleasant and professional while carrying out his duties. He didn’t fine me but told me I had court costs to pay and that he was withholding adjudication for which I am very grateful. Also, I was placed on probation until the costs were paid.

I then had some papers to sign in the court room. After this I went to the County Clerks office to setup payment and find out the amounts due ($253-court costs) and then to the cashiers office to pay – cash, credit card, (no personal checks). She sent me down the street to take the probation clerk my receipt. The lady at this office had me fill out more papers of personal info. for their system and pay them $50. This could only be a money order, nothing else – no cash, no check, no credit card only a money order. The lady in the office said I could get a money order at the Shell gas station on the corner. I walk to the gas station and gave the clerk $51.50 for the $50 money order. After I gave the lady in the probation office the $50 money order she said the case was closed and I should get written notification within a week.

THE GOOD
All the people at the court house were nice and pleasant to deal with. That includes the clerks, the deputies, and the Judge.

THE BAD
It cost $304.50 at the court house and approximately $125.00 for the certification of the golf cart. TOTAL $429.50

THE UGLY
At the end of the process you have a CRIMINAL RECORD.

NOTE: Before you can enter the court room you must be wearing long pants (no Shorts), a tucked in shirt that is buttoned up, no hat, no sunglasses, no chewing gum.

My advice – Don’t exceed 20mph by even 2 mph ......even in a 30 mph zone....... OR HAVE A RECORD & PAY FOR THE NEXT POLICE OFFICERS PAY RAISE...... "Only In The Friendly Hometown".... The Villages :)

In my opinion, speeding is a more serious offense than stealing a golf cart.

If you speed, there is more chance you may hurt someone else. If someone takes your golf cart, no one gets hurt, and you will probably benefit from walking when you play golf.

The driver in this case has every right to complain, instead of his tax dollars being used to protect him, they were used to harass him. Cut me a break, 26 mph is not dangerous. This cop was out gouging the tax payers for more money, when he should have been trying to catch real criminals. Theres no shortage of criminals around TV these days.

exceeding the limit- got caught- no excuse.

I'm not condoning speeding, but 6 mph over the 20 mph speed limit is more serious than stealing a golf cart? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. :ohdear:

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Seems very excessive for six miles over. I remember my mom teaching me how to drive saying go 5 miles over or the speed limit because if you go slower the other drivers will hate you. You never got stopped unless it was at least ten miles over. Although on roundabouts, you need to go the speed limit.
I'm glad to see police are watching as so many, mostly construction workers fly past or do strange things. I would think 95% of Villagers have gone 6 miles over. And.....

When some of you law abiders get a ticket for going a few miles an hour over the 20 mph speed liMIT perhaps you won't need to be so high and mighty! One momentary distraction shouldn't cost anybody hundreds of dollars for such a minor discretion . Get off your high horses. When it happens to you you'll be singing a new tune! You shouldn't have to live being paranoid or hyper-aware AR
T all times that you might accidently be a few ticks above the very low speed limit. This is more about raising money for the county coffers than it is about enforcrment!

I love reading all the opinions, those I agree with as well as those which are wrong.

So your mother told you to speed or you will be hated by others? There is a more than subtle attempt at teaching you to not be yourself but go with the pack. Interesting.

Speeding is going faster than the posted limit. Common sense is abiding by the law.
I don't think any "Northerner" was saying anything other than ....
If you choose to speed, don't be a crybaby when you get a ticket!

I'm serious. Speeding is a very serious offense that may endanger other people.

First of all, the speed limit in the cart lane is 20, not 30 like the roadway.
Second, if the cart was ACTUALLY going 22 it seems excessive, I'm not sure the radar guns are even that accurate. But I've been passed by "carts" (not LSVs) going 30+.
The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere.
The line between cart and LSV is 20 mph, right or wrong
The line in a 20 mph zone IS 20 mph---not 26.
People get upset when they are caught "crossing the line", probably because the chances of getting caught are low, and there is variability in enforcement as well. If you KNEW that you would be caught EVERY time you were speeding, and that EVERYONE ELSE was equally caught, I think there would be more people obeying speed limits. But again, if you gamble and lose, don't be a crybaby

I'm sorry, but that's the equivalent of doing 91 on the Turnpike....

No, not really---see post #48. If you are going 20 and someone going 26 is not paying attention and rear ends you, you'll get a dented bumper and shouldn't lose control of your vehicle. If someone going 91 does the same thing when you are going 70, you will probably end up dead.
And you are not going to tell me going 1.3 mph in a 1 mph zone is equivalent as well, just because it is "30%" over the limit

So all the people who drive 6 (SIX) mph over the speed limit are more serious criminals than those who steal golf carts. Yeah...that's logical.

By the way, DRIVING...like all forms of transportation...endangers other people. Again...not condoning speeding. But driving is not 100% safe up to the speed limit, and then suddenly extremely dangerous at 1 mph above the speed limit. We're talking about doing 26-in-a-20 here...not 100-in-a-55.

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OMG, I agreed with PB again. What is this world coming to?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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If the OP was doing 25, he would have gotten a warning-state law you must be doing more than 5 mph over the posted limit to get ticketed & fined

"Safe" has nothing to do with it...as that is just an opinion.

A lot better factor in what is 'safe,' is the vehicle being driven and the drivers skill.

6 mph over of say a 45 mph limit, is usually perfectly 'safe'...even by mediocre drivers.

That's why the % of exceeding the posted speed limit, is a much better indicator of the supposed 'allowance'...that some people think cops should automatically give them.

The OP was busted for exceeding the speed limit by a significant %...and should stop whining and pay it. :shrug:

No one got shot, what are you talking about? It was a terrific life lesson that stuck with yours truly forever. Everyone is pointing out the technicalities of this ticket. Put yourself in the OP's shoes.
It is a shame and feelings were hurt and the Madoff statement was probably over the line but who wouldn't lash out if they perceived being wronged? So many perfect people who live by the letter of the law when they sit faceless behind their computer.

Come on, you know damn well that they are doing all of those things. If you don't just read the paper.............

Virtually EVERY street in the villages that does not have a designated Cart/Bicycle lane has a speed limit of 20 MPH, unless it is posted even slower. Flying around a golf cart on your neighborhood street is unsafe and illegal, and therefore a ticket-able offense.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the neighborhood streets are 20mph, but I said roads, not streets. I was referring to St Charles, Bailey, pinellas, Hillsborough, etc.
It's rare for a speed trap to be on a neighborhood street, except in Winifred where they are trying to nab the golf carts.

I'm still kind of chuckling to myself reading these posts.
Speeding is speeding and it's against the law. Where do you draw the line? 6 miles over, OK, what about 7 over or 8 over.
It's kind of like sayin', "Officer, I know I was wrong and broke the law, but it was only a little bit so it shouldn't count" :loco: :a20:

Well so far not one posting has said a Thank You to the original poster and all the past and present traffic offenders who have gotten caught, by the men and women in blue. So with that in mind I'll step up and be the first to say " Thank You " .

A) The fines go towards the taxes, which go towards the wages, and of course help in maintaining our fantastic roads...most are very,very smooth.

B) Do I feel your pain..of course not...take the wife out to dinner and stop whining, I recommend Nancy Lopez. A nice bottle of wine Sauvignon Blanc, New Zealand, Marlboro Region to start off with...

Again,

Thank You and all the others, for contributing to our tax base...I have my fingers crossed that you got nailed in Sumter County.

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My take on all of these different responses. Driving 30% over the speed limit is not dangerous and that law should be ignored while police search for real criminals. Can anyone make a list of laws that should be enforced and those which should be ignored?

In all reality @ 25mph or 5 mph, the OP was good to go, but @ 6 mph he was subject to fines and $$ penalty-IMHO--he was most likely caught in a quota trap--which no LEO will ever admit to

I think he meant that they have discretion in deciding how much to write the excessive speed amount.....not the dollar amt of the fine. The former, they absolutely have discretion with.....the latter, none, as it is determined by the local ordinance's fine scale for amt over speed limit, as written in the tkt/citation/summons.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for speeding,
or driving in an unsafe manner,
but there are so many people in TV that
drive their golf carts quite a bit over the 20 mph speed limits,
that I have to smile, when I read the number
of self righteous comments posted here!

You're right---but also realize you have to INTENTIONALLY adjust your cart to over 20 in the first place. So if you have no intention of speeding in your cart and don't want that awful criminal charge noted above, leave your hands off the governor.

Neighborhood street speed limits are 15 mph, at least in our neighborhood. No one obeys the speed limit until they're pulling into their own driveway.

To the original poster: You did get a warning before you received the ticket. It was the 20 mph sign. (I have heard this from countless judges in traffic court).

Not necessarily true. My cart was purchased new and I've never touched the governor. It came with a speedometer and it was capable of more than 20 mph.