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Fredster 08-31-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkinMd (Post 1281311)
To the original poster: You did get a warning before you received the ticket. It was the 20 mph sign. (I have heard this from countless judges in traffic court).

WOW, how many tickets have you gotten? LOL

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1281312)
Not necessarily true. My cart was purchased new and I've never touched the governor. It came with a speedometer and it was capable of more than 20 mph.

Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

graciegirl 08-31-2016 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1281315)
Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

Hmmm . I'm thinking that the law says not to make it go over twenty. Most are capable of doing more than twenty.

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1281318)
Hmmm . I'm thinking that the law says not to make it go over twenty. Most are capable of doing more than twenty.

That may be true for a speeding ticket, but the charges have more to do with operating an unregistered motor vehicle, ie: a golf cart capable of going over 20. I suppose a LEO could pull you over going 10 mph just to check how fast the cart is capable of going, but there might be probable cause issues. Since we don't live in a police state, I doubt this would ever happen. Which makes me question the story of the guy who had to go through misdemeanor charges in court for going 22. I suspect he was going 26+, otherwise he probably would not have caught the attention of the sheriff's deputy.

big guy 08-31-2016 03:52 PM

I was on the Florida turnpike driving the speed limit, had my license, registration and insurance cards ready when the state trooper approached the car. I wasn't the least bit nervous because I hadn't done anything wrong....or so I thought. When he came back, he asked if I'd like to know why I was getting a ticket. "You bet", says I. He says it's because there is a plastic cover on the license plate that obscures the numbers when the sun is shining on it. All covers and frames around the plate that the dealer gives you, or with a college or sports team on them are illegal. I got a ticket for $213. I can't remember what the law says but the ticket is supposed to be less than what I paid. The law says that it's up to the individual officer whether a ticket is issued or not. I've never had an accident, a parking ticket or a moving violation. A warning would have been nice but he was having a bad day, was grumpy and took it out on me. So all of you with frames around your plates or a plastic cover beware, especially if you are on the turnpike and Officer Menendez :police: is on duty. I would have felt better if I was speeding and was ticketed for that.

big guy 08-31-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1280909)
Thanks for the warning and sorry to hear of this. I guess 5 mph over is the new 9 mph over.

I saw a blurb (I think in the POA paper) by the Sumter County Sheriff saying that they are not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and allowing 5 mph over the limit. He said that if you are going 2 or 3 mph over the limit, you will get a ticket.

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1281329)
I was on the Florida turnpike driving the speed limit, had my license, registration and insurance cards ready when the state trooper approached the car. I wasn't the least bit nervous because I hadn't done anything wrong....or so I thought. When he came back, he asked if I'd like to know why I was getting a ticket. "You bet", says I. He says it's because there is a plastic cover on the license plate that obscures the numbers when the sun is shining on it. All covers and frames around the plate that the dealer gives you, or with a college or sports team on them are illegal. I got a ticket for $213. I can't remember what the law says but the ticket is supposed to be less than what I paid. The law says that it's up to the individual officer whether a ticket is issued or not. I've never had an accident, a parking ticket or a moving violation. A warning would have been nice but he was having a bad day, was grumpy and took it out on me. So all of you with frames around your plates or a plastic cover beware, especially if you are on the turnpike and Officer Menendez :police: is on duty. I would have felt better if I was speeding and was ticketed for that.

Sorry, no sympathy here, those plastic covers are one of my pet peeves. They serve no purpose other than to conceal the tag # of the vehicle, which by law must be clearly displayed. If it were up to me I would fine $500 for the first offense, $1000 and 1 month suspension of license for the 2nd, and the 3rd would be a class B misdemeanor. If this sounds harsh, remember, these covers serve no purpose other than to intentionally violate the law, and I want to be able to get the plate # of some clown who tries to pull a hit and run.

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1281331)
I saw a blurb (I think in the POA paper) by the Sumter County Sheriff saying that they are not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt and allowing 5 mph over the limit. He said that if you are going 2 or 3 mph over the limit, you will get a ticket.

I hope they have the world's most accurate radar guns and calibrate them frequently according to the manufacturer's guidelines. Otherwise, they will be spending a lot of time in court as judge after judge throws the case out.

2BNTV 08-31-2016 04:01 PM

I agree with the poster that said the LEO wrote the ticket for 26 in a 20 zone but the OP was going much faster.

One must pay the fine and could go to traffic school so it does not appear as points on their license and not get the subsequent increase on their insurance premium.

It's easier to pay the fine as you won't beat it in court. IMHO

Those who knowingly drive their carts faster than 20 MPH are going to be fined more heavily if they get caught.

I am happy that my cart cannot go more than 19.5 MPH and even if I were to be going downhill, the governor kicks in and slows to cart speed appropriately.

big guy 08-31-2016 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1281315)
Mine too---21.6 mph slightly downhill. But I've been passed by carts (not LSVs) going at least 30. I believe the law states that the cart cannot be capable of going over 20 mph on level ground, but I could be wrong.

If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1281336)
If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

If I drop it out of an airplane at 20,000 feet it will hit the ground at 176 mph----will they be there to ticket it then???? All carts tend to get a little over 20 when they first start downhill until the governor kicks in. I think the point is that the cart is not permitted to be MANUFACTURED or MODIFIED to go over 20 on level ground

golf2140 08-31-2016 04:23 PM

If an officer was watching for speeder in a 20 MPH zone it was after residents complaints about speeding vehicles. I'm sure he was not happy to be posted there but did the job he was assigned !!!!!!!!!!!!!

big guy 08-31-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1281332)
Sorry, no sympathy here, those plastic covers are one of my pet peeves. They serve no purpose other than to conceal the tag # of the vehicle, which by law must be clearly displayed. If it were up to me I would fine $500 for the first offense, $1000 and 1 month suspension of license for the 2nd, and the 3rd would be a class B misdemeanor. If this sounds harsh, remember, these covers serve no purpose other than to intentionally violate the law, and I want to be able to get the plate # of some clown who tries to pull a hit and run.

We moved here from northern Ohio......lots of snow and ice and salt to melt it all, which turns a plate to rust. Not a thought of hiding our plate number to "intentionally violate the law"crossed our minds.....just protecting the plate. When we got the new plate here my husband just automatically put the cover back on. I would have been driving 90 mph if I wanted to break the law.

Rapscallion St Croix 08-31-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1281336)
If it can go more than 20 mph it should be a registered vehicle. So the high price of the ticket is for not having a registered vehicle. They told us that if our granddaughter was driving the golfcart and speeding (anything over 20), she would be ticketed and the record sent to NJ that she was driving an unregistered vehicle. It would go on her record and she wouldn't be able to get her license. She was 14 at the time and there always was an adult with her in the golf cart.

Who is "They"?

golfing eagles 08-31-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by big guy (Post 1281348)
We moved here from northern Ohio......lots of snow and ice and salt to melt it all, which turns a plate to rust. Not a thought of hiding our plate number to "intentionally violate the law"crossed our minds.....just protecting the plate. When we got the new plate here my husband just automatically put the cover back on. I would have been driving 90 mph if I wanted to break the law.

Then am I safe to assume you have the most clear plastic imaginable, NOT the smoky brown ones that I see all the time making it impossible to read the plate number even from 25 feet away? If so, fine, but you are in the minority of plate covers that I have seen.

PS. I lived in an area with far more snow and salt than Northern Ohio, and never had a license plate rust.

Fredster 08-31-2016 05:16 PM

Glad I followed this thread, since I just found about Florida Statute 320.061
Which basically states that you can't put a frame
or anything on your plate that covers any information on it!
It seems this may be more of a problem for folks that
come from other states that do not have such a stringent statute.
Looks like I'll have to remove the frame that is still on our rear plate which never was a concern up north!

ColdNoMore 08-31-2016 05:49 PM

As for 'obscured' license plates, I wonder how all the pickup trucks that have balls on their hitches, whereby they cover 2-4 characters...get away with it? :confused:

It must be selective enforcement for sure.

Fredster 08-31-2016 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1281385)
As for 'obscured' license plates, I wonder how all the pickup trucks that have balls on their hitches, whereby they cover 2-4 characters...get away with it? :confused:

It must be selective enforcement for sure.

Basically, it is really pretty much
a judgement call by the LEO!

Topspinmo 08-31-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Carla B (Post 1281310)
Neighborhood street speed limits are 15 mph, at least in our neighborhood. No one obeys the speed limit until they're pulling into their own driveway.

In mine it's 10 MPH. That's because 10 or 15 mph is unrealistic. When cars are first started the are in the cold start mode. RPM are around 1700 rpm. That's about 17 Mph unless you ride the brakes till the car comes off cold start mode. Nobody drives 10 mph in residential or parking lot. Not even on bicycles.

MarkinMd 08-31-2016 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1281314)
WOW, how many tickets have you gotten? LOL

None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

Fredster 08-31-2016 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkinMd (Post 1281407)
None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

I hope you know I was just kidding? :wave:

kcrazorbackfan 08-31-2016 09:28 PM

Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:

Duppa 08-31-2016 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1281450)
Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:

Hmmm... Had me thinks, and had well.

ditka41 08-31-2016 10:21 PM

Perhaps OP was simply trying to entertain the bored amongst us since there are no "snowbirds" to complain about right now. But, it won't be long now before they can become "targets" and the golf fees head up. Drive safely, use your turn signals and get out of that left lane!

Bonny 09-01-2016 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1281450)
Wait a minute here folks. Have we heard anymore from the OP since that original post? Questions have been asked of that person with no responses. Have we been trolled? If so, there was a lot of banter for 26 in a 20. :loco::loco:

My thoughts right from the beginning. :laugh:

stan the man 09-01-2016 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkinMd (Post 1281407)
None, I was always in court as a states witness. Retired police sgt. with 34 years.

If you are stopped for anything , do you show you retired shield or tell the officer you are a retired police officer ????

Bogie Shooter 09-01-2016 07:31 AM

This thread is almost as much fun to read as our popular dog poop threads!:popcorn:

dewilson58 09-01-2016 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1281509)
This thread is almost as much fun to read as our popular dog poop threads!:popcorn:

Yesterday I saw a dog pooping when it was still walking...........that dog should get a speeding ticket.

golfing eagles 09-01-2016 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1281528)
Yesterday I saw a dog pooping when it was still walking...........that dog should get a speeding ticket.

Looks like it depends on whether or not the dog was walking "30%" above the dog walk speed limit:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

MarkinMd 09-01-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1281501)
If you are stopped for anything , do you show you retired shield or tell the officer you are a retired police officer ????

I know this is a little off topic but to answer your question I have not been stopped by the police for anything. However if I'm stopped I will show him my retired ID but not for the reason of getting out of a ticket but because of the concealed weapon I have. I don't want to startle him/her when I reach for my wallet and my weapon becomes visible.

I actually drive pretty slow after a five year assignment in the traffic division. One of my duties was to conduct death notifications to the families of the deceased. It was by far the hardest time of my career. Speed by itself doesn't cause crashes but it's hard to violate the laws of physics.

Chatbrat 09-01-2016 09:42 AM

In Florida you don not have to tell the LEO you have a concealed weapon in your car if you are stopped.

IMHO-it would be great if your driver's license had a CCW endorsement on it.

MarkinMd 09-01-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1281576)
In Florida you don not have to tell the LEO you have a concealed weapon in your car if you are stopped.

IMHO-it would be great if your driver's license had a CCW endorsement on it.

I agree about the endorsement- great idea. However, I don't want to be dead right.


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