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Sounds like he was soliciting $$. No soliciting is a neighborhood rule, not a law so Police have to charge with trespass.

My guess he was suspected of panhandling.

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Originally Posted by billlaur (Post 2458994)

It’s called freedom of speech in a public place.no laws are broken..😀

Was this guy accepting "donations"?

Florida doesn't have a statewide law prohibiting panhandling, but many local government units have ordinances prohibiting or regulating it.

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2459011)

To be trespassed, one needs to be on private property. Have been asked to leave or committed a crime (like shoplifting).
It is a civil complaint by a private entity against somebody.
You cannot be trespassed from public property or public buildings.

IF (big if here) a trespass order was entered then WHO is the order protecting? Was the person ever on their private property? Were they asked to leave?

Signs are protected speech according to the Supreme Court. No person or entity can prevent displaying signs - especially in public or on their own property.
FYI - Deed restrictions are also unconstitutional per SCOTUS (see Reed vs Gilbert AZ). One can sign away their 1st amendment right, but they can also reclaim that right at any time. That's the power of constitutionally protected rights.

HOWEVER - a sign advocating something illegal, or placed in such a manner as to cause an unsafe condition, might have consequences. One has the right to free speech, but that does not isolate them from the consequences of that speech. Think of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Or disrupting a concert - you can be asked to leave because it is private property.

IF you were trespassed from a private area, and you were only in a public place (sidewalk) (not on their private property) then you likely have a case against the police and against the person that filed the complaint. A police officer who issued that order should have known better. My guess is that there are details missing from OP's rant.

A start with Florida Statue would be 316 and 316.2065
Villages in Sumter landing try to enforce sidewalks across the streets from the square, which is public sidewalks even during a event. The square where entertainment happens is under a use permit from 4 pm to 9 pm under statue 190. The village team event people have NO Police power or Authority on public side walks where all the stores are located! Wake up people are constitution rights are be attacked every day by the powers to be!

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2459055)

A start with Florida Statue would be 316 and 316.2065

Bicycle regulations???? I don't think that applies here.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2459065)

Bicycle regulations???? I don't think that applies here.

It also goes abreast in case law in public domain, the case law is endless. As i said its a start.
Again there is to much missing information with the OP

I follow him on YouTube. He will get the trespass rescinded, send an intent to sue, and ask for the sheriffs dept to have additional 1st and 4 th amendment training, and ask for $1788 to be donated to a veterans homeless shelter (the year the constitution was ratified)
He wins all the time because he is allowed to do what he did and where he did it.

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Originally Posted by Raybemis1 (Post 2459086)

So. This is a schtick?

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Originally Posted by billlaur (Post 2458959)

How can a person be trespassed from the villages for holding a god bless the homeless vets sign. I thought the roads were public and sidewalks are public…Iknow the squares are private property but open to the public.

Googled this. Apparently a regional or national campaign originated in Georgia when a similar incident occurred at a VA facility.

I'm guessing the person holding the sign was doing so to silicate money from drivers at an intersection, etc.? I don't know if this is illegal but I for one don't care for this practice. As a former Georgian, this was widespread around Atlanta plus the occasional "windshield cleaner" downtown.

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2459091)

Googled this. Apparently a regional or national campaign originated in Georgia when a similar incident occurred at a VA facility.

And at the end the day the actual effort for “homeless vets” is hidden behind this nonsense. It’s hidden panhandling because who wins but the YouTuber with followers and paid advertisement.

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Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2459042)

As a heads up: most likely not a vet, just a druggie saying that and a pat down would turn up drug paraphernalia which would make them no longer homeless.

He wouldn't have to be a vet to hold up that sign. Also, a pat down in this situation would be a violation of his Fourth Amendment rights. The rest of your statement is QUITE a leap!

FredF

BTW Statue 810 and 810.09 is a interesting read on Trespassing laws in Florida. JFYI

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Originally Posted by DjinGA (Post 2459050)

Sounds like he was soliciting $$. No soliciting is a neighborhood rule, not a law so Police have to charge with trespass.

You can't be trespassed from public property/forum. Loitering, perhaps but not trespassing!

FredF

Was it Jeff Gray or someone with his lawsuit happy, YouTube posting group FIRE? He calls himself a 1st Amendment auditor and encourages others to hold the sign and document how local governments react to them standing on public property holding the sign.