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Velvet 09-01-2019 10:48 AM

Yep, I got that in my email.

maybe 09-01-2019 10:56 AM

I am all for safety too, but I have seen no reason the p-ball courts, etc, could not be open today. The worst we could get today from Dorian would be less than what we could get nearly any summer day from thunderstorms. Good management would be adept at making quick changes. I am fine with them removing the water carts, folding sun screens, etc, but the courts could be as safely open today as any other summer day.

billethkid 09-01-2019 10:57 AM

Sometimes it sounds like folks are disappointed they, their neighbors and loved ones have been spared.

As in...."all this preparation for nothing..."

And there are some who have concluded those who run and operate TV facilities are standing by.....just in case.

A little inconvenience....no big deal!!

A major sigh of relief and a big thank GOD for those of us here in TV.

Keep in mind the thousands who are at this moment......where their prediction came to pass!!!!!!
While some complain it did not happen....on time yet!!!

Daddymac 09-01-2019 11:14 AM

Now that’s about right...
 
:a040:
Quote:

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1677457)
Old say'n It ain't over till the { I'll be politically correct.}. weight challenged lady sings

:a040::a040::a040::a040::a040:
:bigbow::bigbow:
:mademyday:

Marathon Man 09-01-2019 11:24 AM

There is a CAT 5 hurricane headed toward Florida. And folks want to debate keeping the courts open one more day. How about we give the folks at Property Management a break and trust that there are things we don't know about that drive their decisions.

Marathon Man 09-01-2019 11:47 AM

Those making the decision to close the rec centers have a thankless job for sure. Had the storm arrived when originally predicted, how many on here would have said "well done".

kansasr 09-01-2019 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1677585)
Severe Weather Preparations – UPDATED 8/30/2019
While emergency management continues to be a function of the county in which you reside, the District works extremely hard in ensuring the safety of District staff, residents of The Villages and District facilities. In preparation of the potential for severe weather, you may see some of the following preparations occurring throughout the community.
ALL indoor and outdoor Recreation Facilities, including swimming pools, will be closed beginning Saturday, August 31st at 5:00 p.m. It is currently anticipated that recreation centers & outdoor facilities will remain closed Sunday, September 1st through Tuesday, September 3rd (dates are subject to change). For your health, safety and well-being please DO NOT ENTER any facility or park vehicles in the parking lots until it has been cleared and opened by The Villages Public Safety Department.
All Executive Golf Courses will be closed Sunday, September 1st through Friday, September 6th to safely assess all conditions.
In addition, the following preparations may be taking place:
· Certain wind screens will be removed from outdoor court areas.
· Outdoor furniture may be secured or placed indoors.
· District administrative offices may close.
· If there is a potential for strong winds, gate arms may be removed. If you approach a gate in which the gate arm has been removed, please use extreme caution and make sure to stop before proceeding.
· Irrigation may run along common areas and roadways to lower the water levels in water retention areas. This is done to ensure adequate capacity of the storm water management system.
We will continue to post updates as we begin some (or all) of the preparations mentioned above. If it is determined that preparations need to be made for the safety of this community, please understand that it may take days to complete these preparations. Facilities will be re-opened after it has been determined that the area and facilities are safe to do so by The Villages Public Safety Department or other appropriate agency. We greatly appreciate your understanding and patience.
Please stay tuned to Village Community Development Districts for additional information and updates. For additional information, please contact the District Customer Service Center at 352-753-4508.
To obtain information for your specific county, please visit the links below or contact the county in which you live for additional information.
Lake County - Emergency Management: (352) 343-9420 or visit Office of Emergency Management Home or
AlertLake - Emergency Notification System - AlertLake
Marion County - Emergency Management: (352) 732-8181 or
visit EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT — Marion County Sheriff's Office and Alert Marion
Sumter County—Emergency Management: (352) 689-4400 or
visit http://sumtercountyfl.gov/718/Emergency-Management and www.sumterprepares.com

Yes, I've seen that...not a peek out of the district government since.

Arlington2 09-01-2019 12:08 PM

Don't have complete faith in the weather models
 
The weather models have been predictably unpredictable for the past weeks. Now that they show the hurricane to be headed north we suddenly have great faith in the model. Monday if the hurricane decides to keep heading west rather than making a sharp turn north we will all be grateful the preparations are in place. If not, many will be saying it was crying wolf.

ColdNoMore 09-01-2019 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 1677485)
Not at all. Consider that the people working for the Villages who are doing the prep have their own families/homes to worry about. Better that the preparation work is done proactively while giving the workers time to make sure that they and their families are as prepared as they can be.

I was in the direct line of a hurricane years ago and the hurricane took a literal "last minute" turn so that we ended up being brushed by the hurricane versus taking a direct hit. Mother Nature is going to do what she wants, and until Dorian dissipates, don't assume anything.

Fantastic and excellent post...plus DEAD ON!! :bigbow:

And NO, TV didn't take precautions too early.

Particularly given the consequences...of waiting too late.

And yeah, everyone will be an Einstein/Nostradamus...after the fact. :oops:

Might I suggest for all of the whiners, fer cripes sake, it's simply a few extra days of inconvenience...deal with it. :ohdear:

Bogie Shooter 09-01-2019 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1677605)
Yes, I've seen that...not a peek out of the district government since.

What are you expecting? A new track?

Bogie Shooter 09-01-2019 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1677607)
Fantastic and excellent post...plus DEAD ON!! :bigbow:

And NO, TV didn't take precautions too early.

Particularly given the consequences...of waiting too late.

And yeah, everyone will be an Einstein/Nostradamus...after the fact. :oops:

Might I suggest for all of the whiners, fer cripes sake, it's simply a few extra days of inconvenience...deal with it. :ohdear:

You are right.
I don't even call it an inconvenience...…………………...

JoMar 09-01-2019 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybe (Post 1677590)
I am all for safety too, but I have seen no reason the p-ball courts, etc, could not be open today. The worst we could get today from Dorian would be less than what we could get nearly any summer day from thunderstorms. Good management would be adept at making quick changes. I am fine with them removing the water carts, folding sun screens, etc, but the courts could be as safely open today as any other summer day.

Apparently not......seems you are only for safety when it doesn't inconvenience you...it's ok to inconvenience those that will need to check the courts and equipment after you are done. Why should they have to prepare their homes or family....don't they know that you want to play PB? How dare they!

ColdNoMore 09-01-2019 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1677614)
Apparently not......seems you are only for safety when it doesn't inconvenience you...it's ok to inconvenience those that will need to check the courts and equipment after you are done. Why should they have to prepare their homes or family....don't they know that you want to play PB? How dare they!

Well said. :thumbup:


Not that it will register with those, who have the attitude of..."It's ALL about ME!"
:oops:

perrjojo 09-01-2019 01:00 PM

We were in Hurricane Camille in 1969. Went to bed at midnight with 110 mph winds. Woke up next morning and the hurricane had 165 mph winds and had moved about 100 miles west. 256 lives were lost. Never trust a hurricane until it’s blown out. We learned the hard way.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-01-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1677597)
There is a CAT 5 hurricane headed toward Florida. And folks want to debate keeping the courts open one more day. How about we give the folks at Property Management a break and trust that there are things we don't know about that drive their decisions.

That would make sense if the models showed it heading to the middle of the state today. Landfall is still a day away and the predictions are that even if it was headed toward the middle of the state, which it probably is not, we'd be wouldn't be really impacted on Tuesday and perhaps Wednesday.

The question is not should we be prepared, should the local governments not getting prepared, it's how much are they doing and how far in advance. This call to close facilities was made on Thursdays. So much can, and has, happened between then and this coming Tuesday. Sure being prepared to close facilities should have been a logical action, but actually closing them that far in advance was absurd.

Velvet 09-01-2019 01:08 PM

I realize some people really miss the recreation etc. However, I respect that management considered our workers’ situation too. Everyone needs to feel safe and secure, and probably those workers are the ones that would be called upon to clean up if the hurricane left damage.

I can’t believe that anyone would actually consider seeing them in possible danger just so they provide another day or two of fun for us.

HIgolfers 09-01-2019 01:12 PM

YES. I agree that TV should be prepared but there was no reason to close rec centers starting Sat at 5 pm when the models indicated the storm wouldn't hit till Tuesday at the earliest. I understand that rec employees need to get their homes prepared but folks that does not take 3 days! For example sports pools: there is very little furniture in sports pools- might take 2 people about 10 minutes to secure it all. Rec center buildings- don't understand what preparation has to be done to these. OK let employees go home early on Monday- problem solved. Pickleball courts- if you want to take down the nets on the fences, OK but leave the courts open for people to play at their own risk- that's what we do evey other day isn't it? No one chases you off the golf course or out of pools when there is lightning- you are told to play at your own risk. In my opinion closing all these venues so early is just making residents more anxious because they are out of their normal routine and have nothing better to do than worry about the hurricane. Notice that many surrounding businesses are still open? (GOLFERS: driving range behind Walmart on 466 is open!) Gas stations outside of TV have no lines (had to drive to Gainesville Friday afternoon and saw no lines anywhere!) I am all for being prepared but TV definitely pulled the trigger too soon on this one.

ColdNoMore 09-01-2019 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1677627)
That would make sense if the models showed it heading to the middle of the state today. Landfall is still a day away and the predictions are that even if it was headed toward the middle of the state, which it probably is not, we'd be wouldn't be really impacted on Tuesday and perhaps Wednesday.

The question is not should we be prepared, should the local governments not getting prepared, it's how much are they doing and how far in advance. This call to close facilities was made on Thursdays. So much can, and has, happened between then and this coming Tuesday.
Sure being prepared to close facilities should have been a logical action, but actually closing them that far in advance was absurd.

And by being extra cautious (and thinking of the employees who have to work to keep facilities open), exactly what major impact to your life...has a few extra closed days caused?

Bogie Shooter 09-01-2019 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1677605)
Yes, I've seen that...not a peek out of the district government since.

Here is the latest peek(sic) for your perusal...
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e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 9/1/2019


Hurricane Dorian Update – 9/1/2019
The District thanks you for your continued patience and preparedness as we all monitor what is being described as the largest hurricane in modern times. Your safety, and the safety of District staff, is of paramount importance and, as such, our facilities will remain closed as meteorologists ascertain the trajectory of this Category 5 Hurricane. Please continue to check Village Community Development Districts for additional information and update

Graspher 09-01-2019 01:48 PM

TV made the appropriate decision

Polar Bear 09-01-2019 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1677632)
And by being extra cautious (and thinking of the employees who have to work to keep facilities open), exactly what major impact to your life...has a few extra closed days caused?

This must be an extreme event!! CNM and I agree again!! :)

Two Bills 09-01-2019 02:48 PM

As I said before, damned if you do, damned if you don't!
20-20 Hindsight is a wonderfull thing.
......and I bet the ones bitching about early precautions now, would be leading the charge, if the measure were taken too late!:)

perrjojo 09-01-2019 03:00 PM

Those who think planing was too early most likely have never been trapped in a horrific hurricane..I have. I also know that when waiting you may find yourself prepping in the rain.

vintageogauge 09-01-2019 03:09 PM

This was a great day to go out and do other stuff. Scooter was at the Cattail Rec. Area from 1:00 until 4:00 with the food trucks open as well as the Bar at Edna's, most if not all of the restaurants and stores were open. We took a drive though Leesburg to see what we haven't seen before, also went up to Sams and Lowes to look around. Now we're tired and time to relax. We'll figure out what to do tomorrow when it gets here.

JoMar 09-01-2019 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1677627)
That would make sense if the models showed it heading to the middle of the state today. Landfall is still a day away and the predictions are that even if it was headed toward the middle of the state, which it probably is not, we'd be wouldn't be really impacted on Tuesday and perhaps Wednesday.

The question is not should we be prepared, should the local governments not getting prepared, it's how much are they doing and how far in advance. This call to close facilities was made on Thursdays. So much can, and has, happened between then and this coming Tuesday. Sure being prepared to close facilities should have been a logical action, but actually closing them that far in advance was absurd.

Absurd?....you have no idea the manpower required to close facilities, although you do know it doesn't involve you. I have talked to, and we have people in our neighborhood, who are working long hours over several days to prepare this place for what could be. While they are doing that, they need to prepare their own homes and family. I normally agree with your but, using absurd when you have no skin in the game and no view to the enormity of the task...well absurd is a tad harsh.

Martian 09-01-2019 03:13 PM

I recall just a couple days ago a lot of people wondering WHY no one had called for a mandatory evacuation and were going on about how they were going to wait until the last minute and cause major traffic jams with people fleeing for their lives.

Now, people are complaining that they can't get out and play a little golf because TV made a conservative judgement call...

Damned if you do, and Damned if you don't.

pooh 09-01-2019 03:46 PM

Was it too early a call to shut down facilities? No, because at the time, weather reports indicated danger soon. This storm is a monster and truly predictions are just that, though scientific evidence helps in making those predictions, but again, they’re predictions.
Things are changing minute to minute and what’s the problem with being prepared earlier than regretting not being prepared. Villages employees also must ready their own homes, their families. Sometimes these things take longer than expected and who are we to put anyone’s life or that of their families, in danger just so we aren’t inconvenienced! Need something to do? Clean out closets, dressers, rid your home of things you no longer need....you’ll get plenty of exercise, find items you can donate that might benefit others and soon, this “nightmare” of being “without” will be over.

John_W 09-01-2019 04:31 PM

Live Webcam the Bahamas

*LIVE* Hurricane Dorian LANDFALL IN MARSH HARBOUR (Category 5 WINDS 185+) - YouTube

EdFNJ 09-01-2019 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by john_w (Post 1677679)




wooooooow!

thelegges 09-01-2019 05:16 PM

I am grateful that TV started early to keep us safe. Think how long it takes to remove all the chairs, tables, and pool stuff. And that TV is making sure all employees are home with their families.
if one thinks that will ruined their plans for starting to close things down early it’s a shame.
Then again you probably won’t be one of the hundreds of volunteers to pack supplies for those who lost everything.
Some choose to think of others first, some choose to think of only themselves.

ColdNoMore 09-01-2019 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 1677687)
I am grateful that TV started early to keep us safe. Think how long it takes to remove all the chairs, tables, and pool stuff. And that TV is making sure all employees are home with their families.
if one thinks that will ruined their plans for starting to close things down early it’s a shame.
Then again you probably won’t be one of the hundreds of volunteers to pack supplies for those who lost everything.

Some choose to think of others first, some choose to think of only themselves.


:bigbow:...:bigbow:...:bigbow:

GoodLife 09-01-2019 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1677442)
Looks like Dorian is turning East and will only skim the Florida coast sometime Tuesday or Wednesday. With Rec centers, golf courses, pools and entertainment all cancelled, do you think TV pulled the trigger too soon?

As they say, don't count your chickens before they are hatched. The high pressure north of Dorian that was supposed to start weakening and allow a sharp turn to the north has remained stronger than expected. Some of the models are nudging the storm track further west. Hurricane tracking lists are very difficult and historically can be off by 70 miles 48 hours out. Remember Irma? Expert opinions were all over the place. A delay of several hours for the turn north are just a few degrees in the angle of turn can make a world of difference. This ain't a done deal by any means.

Martian 09-01-2019 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1677693)
As they say, don't count your chickens before they are hatched. The high pressure north of Dorian that was supposed to start weakening and allow a sharp turn to the north has remained stronger than expected. Some of the models are nudging the storm track further west. Hurricane tracking lists are very difficult and historically can be off by 70 miles 48 hours out. Remember Irma? Expert opinions were all over the place. A delay of several hours for the turn north are just a few degrees in the angle of turn can make a world of difference. This ain't a done deal by any means.

But! But! GOLF!

drcar 09-01-2019 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1677578)
Yup. It's ridiculous that they closed all the rec centers and pools on Saturday when, if it did hit us, they were talking about Tuesday or Wednesday.

I had some guy from the district walking around my neighborhood handing out papers and refrigerator magnets on how to prepare for a hurricane on Saturday. My first thought was, "What a waste of money." Four to five days before this thing might have hit they are doing things like this. In addition, if people don't know how to prepare for a hurricane I don't know what they've looking at. It's all over television, radio and the internet.

People were lining up for gas on Thursday and stores sold out of bottled water and bread on Friday.

Impact was predicted (possibly) Tuesday or Wednesday and not the thing has moved north which was always a possibility.

Yesterday the weather channel revised their forecast to have the thing loving more north and everything returned to normal.

I've been living in The Villages for over seven years now. In that time we've had about ten hurricanes that could have possibly hit us bad. The only one that did was Irma in 2017 and the damage and effect was really minimal. We lost power for about three days. A few street were impassable for about a week but there is always alternate routes in TV. In may neighborhood there are a lot of manufactured homes and some did lose their carports and sustained damage to their lanais. But there was no widespread serious damage. The fact is that hurricanes seldom impact areas this far inland. I would much more concerned if I lived near the coast.

That being said, everyone should be prepared so that they don't have to run out at the last minute to buy bread. (Why bread by the way?). You're better off having a bunch of non perishable food items.


We have battery powered lights and radios and plenty of spare batteries. We have a propane grill to cook on and I always have two bottles of propane. I make sure the cars a filled up and I usually have five gallons cans of gas on hand for the mower. I charged my iPad and Laptop with the car. We never lost water, but we always have three or four days worth of bottled water. If the forecast shows the storm really heading toward us a day or two before, we fill up a bunch of buckets with water to flush the toilets and clean up. We also have a plastic bin full of canned food and first aid supplies on hand all the time.

In 2017 we were fortunate that a friend who has a generator allowed us to borrow it. I thought about buying one and even tried to buy one a few times when we had warnings. Then I think, seven years, one storm that impacted us, I don't know if spending $500 to $1,000 on a generator that we may never use is worth the gamble.

Yes, I think that they pulled the trigger way too early and they cause widespread panic every time there is a little tropical depression in the South Atlantic. Every year a hurricane seminar is held and everyone should go to that when they first get here. If you do, you'll learn to be 90% prepared all the time and don't have to go crazy if one actually does hit us.

As I said, I have lived through a lot of warnings and seen the panic when we were never impacted. Hurricanes don't like land. They need to suck up water to when there is a large land mass in the way, they usually turn to avoid it or weaken when they hit is. I feel that although we are pretty safe this far inland, we need to be a bit prepared, but we shouldn't be closing pools, rec centers and golf course 4-5 days before impact is expected.

It's a beautiful sunny day right now and the next couple of days are supposed to have a little bit of rain and wind. Yet several of the resident clubs that I attend are not meeting because the rec centers are closed. So yes, they pulled the trigger WAY too early.

Sorry for the rant. It's just my take on the whole thing.

WOW, a few days without golf, pools, etc., staff are staff and had time to prepare. I think they did a great job! The plan was put in place when the impact was 72 hours away. Again staff are safe, I can live without a few days of Rec and golf.

Henryk 09-01-2019 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 1677447)
Considering that 24 hours ago, most of the hurricane models still had Dorian heading towards us and that The Villages is now a bit too large for just a couple of people to go out and shut things down, they made the right decision. Hopefully they will pull back on some of the plans and we'll get back to normal more quickly. Enjoy your time off everyone. Visit a friend. Call a relative up north. Take a walk.

Invite your neighbors for a little wine and cheese.

TV is not overreacting; it is being prepared.

Martian 09-01-2019 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1677705)
Invite your neighbors for a little wine and cheese.

TV is not overreacting; it is being prepared.

:bigbow:

600th Photo Sq 09-01-2019 07:56 PM

3 - 4 days or so out of anyone's routine is ridiculous considering the forecast. Be sensible the decision was made by not one or two but many...Deal With It !

B-flat 09-01-2019 08:22 PM

TV made the right decision in my opinion, as others have said better safe than sorry.

The way I see it some of negative remarks about too soon are probably from the same people who would complain about winning a million dollars if it were given to them in 10s and 20s but they wanted it in 50s and 100s.

kcrazorbackfan 09-01-2019 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by geofitz13 (Post 1677443)
Nope. With all the uncertainty about the track of the storm, I feel that if they erred, it was on the side of caution. A few days without golf and rec centers may be an inconvenience, but not that big a deal. I'd rather be careful than sorry.

It's called protecting their assets. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

patfla06 09-02-2019 01:28 AM

No. Hurricanes are very unpredictable.
I think T.V. reacted responsibly.

The Summer has had a lot of rain where you couldn’t use the facilities anyway.

We should be thankful, so far, this dangerous storm is not hitting us directly.


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