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PersonOfInterest 04-16-2023 04:07 AM
Why is it necessary to have the Pledge and/or national anthem at club meetings, entertainment and sports events? Do you really care if all the people there are patriotic or not? Those standing can be unpatriotic and you'd never know it and those sitting could be just as patriotic as you, But what does it matter? Are you there for entertainment or meeting or sports event or are you there to see if everyone there is patriotic?

There are articles about 'American soldiers returning home from Vietnam who often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular.' Do you think those people treating the Vietnam vets in that manner were 'Sitting' for the Pledge or national anthem? Some of you proudly standing may have been among them.

How a person really feels about this country and those who fought for it is not always shown by the symbolism of standing.

mickey100 04-16-2023 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207866)
Why is it necessary to have the Pledge and/or national anthem at club meetings, entertainment and sports events? Do you really care if all the people there are patriotic or not? Those standing can be unpatriotic and you'd never know it and those sitting could be just as patriotic as you, But what does it matter? Are you there for entertainment or meeting or sports event or are you there to see if everyone there is patriotic?

There are articles about 'American soldiers returning home from Vietnam who often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular.' Do you think those people treating the Vietnam vets in that manner were 'Sitting' for the Pledge or national anthem? Some of you proudly standing may have been among them.

How a person really feels about this country and those who fought for it is not always shown by the symbolism of standing.
Good common sense reply.

Boffin 04-16-2023 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2207563)
You have a right to privacy
You have the freedom to sit for the Pledge of Allegiance
But......just because you have that right, doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Exactly what does make anything “the right thing to do?”

Two Bills 04-16-2023 05:45 AM
‘Patriotism is the Last Refuge of the Scoundrel’
SJ.

golfing eagles 04-16-2023 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2207878)
Exactly what does make anything “the right thing to do?”
If you don't already know, it's too late for me to teach you.

kkingston57 04-16-2023 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?
Does a person need to stand to have pride? People do stand for the PLEDGE of Allegiance.

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2207734)
I agree. The pledge of allegiance has a part that the reciter hand over heart is committing to by oath ---- one nation under God - INDIVISIBLE with liberty ----- I walked into City Fire with gold colored "united we stand" cap on. Big mistake. Who are the hypocrites the ones standing taking a pledge they do not live by daily or the ones that remained seated ?
You're not gonna' tell us what happened?

Why was it a "big mistake"?

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207771)
Being disrespectful to "our nation" - I'm not the one leaving cigarette butts on the ground. I'm not the one polluting the ocean with nuclear waste. I'm not the one digging into our planet to mine coal. I'm not the one digging up beautiful wildlife and nature and exchanging it for apartments and housing for people who already have a home somewhere else.

Choosing to remain seated when a child is exploited by a bunch of adult yahoos in a sorry attempt to draw attention to how patriotic they are - is not "disrespecting" anyone.
Were you homeless when you move to TV?

Or, do you just want them to stop the development after YOU moved in?

I'm Popeye! 04-16-2023 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2207846)
Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.
You mean the most watched "Super Bowl" game, next year that record will be broken, and so on and so on... but you give the credit to the Halftime show, instead of the Commercials.. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

rustyp 04-16-2023 08:43 AM
And the band announced:

Everyone please stand.
Remove your caps.
Place your right hand over your heart.
And repeat after me - where do I place my beer ?

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2207846)
Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.
Except it wasn't...

Katy Perry holds that honor...

From the Google Machine:

"Which Super Bowl halftime show has the highest ratings?

Rihanna's halftime show averaged 118.7 million viewers, making it the second-most watched in Super Bowl history. Katy Perry's 2015 performance still holds the top mark at 121 million."

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207866)
Why is it necessary to have the Pledge and/or national anthem at club meetings, entertainment and sports events? Do you really care if all the people there are patriotic or not? Those standing can be unpatriotic and you'd never know it and those sitting could be just as patriotic as you, But what does it matter? Are you there for entertainment or meeting or sports event or are you there to see if everyone there is patriotic?

There are articles about 'American soldiers returning home from Vietnam who often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular.' Do you think those people treating the Vietnam vets in that manner were 'Sitting' for the Pledge or national anthem? Some of you proudly standing may have been among them.

How a person really feels about this country and those who fought for it is not always shown by the symbolism of standing.
I don't believe anyone has said it is "necessary" to have either one...

The discussion is about the reaction "if" they do decide to recite, play them...

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2207943)
Does a person need to stand to have pride? People do stand for the PLEDGE of Allegiance.
Apparently not the night the OP was witnessing... Hence the topic of the thread...

Taltarzac725 04-16-2023 10:08 AM
True patriotism is respect for the values that made this country great. Those are the ones expressed in the Bill of Rights and other portions of the US Constitution and re-inforced by the Constitutions of each and every US State.

And is not shoddy con games by people with no respect for the US Constitution.

Johnsocat 04-16-2023 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207771)
Being disrespectful to "our nation" - I'm not the one leaving cigarette butts on the ground. I'm not the one polluting the ocean with nuclear waste. I'm not the one digging into our planet to mine coal. I'm not the one digging up beautiful wildlife and nature and exchanging it for apartments and housing for people who already have a home somewhere else.

Choosing to remain seated when a child is exploited by a bunch of adult yahoos in a sorry attempt to draw attention to how patriotic they are - is not "disrespecting" anyone.
What do you think that little girl thought when she saw her elders fail to rise and pay proper respect to both her and the Pledge of Allegiance?
I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you and your list of everything wrong with our citizens. Proper protocol upon reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is to stand, remove your hats and place it or your hand over your heart. Similar to protocols for flying a flag.
America isn't always perfect, nor the people within her, but as far as I'm concerned she's the best Nation in the world and we are blessed to be living in it.


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