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charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-16-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2207967)
You mean the most watched "Super Bowl" game, next year that record will be broken, and so on and so on... but you give the credit to the Halftime show, instead of the Commercials.. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Super Bowl 114.4 million , half time show 118. 7 million so a few extra people turned in just for her including me I saw very few commercials because I started watching later on tape didnt catch up until middle of 4th quarter timed it pretty good FYI I liked her show

charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-16-2023 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2208037)
What do you think that little girl thought when she saw her elders fail to rise and pay proper respect to both her and the Pledge of Allegiance?
I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you and your list of everything wrong with our citizens. Proper protocol upon reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is to stand, remove your hats and place it or your hand over your heart. Similar to protocols for flying a flag.
America isn't always perfect, nor the people within her, but as far as I'm concerned she's the best Nation in the world and we are blessed to be living in it.

most people on here including me are not protesting the pledge it’s why it has to be in a setting for a rock and roll band , maybe 4th of July I could handle it but that’s it , and as far as that cloying song I would never I mean never stand up and wave my hand back in forth and did I say NEVER

fdpaq0580 04-16-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2208044)
most people on here including me are not protesting the pledge it’s why it has to be in a setting for a rock and roll band , maybe 4th of July I could handle it but that’s it , and as far as that cloying song I would never I mean never stand up and wave my hand back in forth and did I say NEVER

You mean NEVER? As in, "NEVER"?

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2023 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207964)
Were you homeless when you move to TV?

Or, do you just want them to stop the development after YOU moved in?

If you had actually spent a few moments paying attention to the posts I've posted over the past three years, including many you responded to with this line of attack -

you would have seen that we were in the process of becoming homeless, when we moved here to an area that had already been developed back in the 1970's.

And yes I objected to the expansion south of 466A. The Developer, if he truly wanted to benefit the existing community AND profit - could have supported the fruit groves and agribusiness that were struggling, and turned them around to provide jobs, healthy living, healthy foods, and healthy activities for the entire community.

They chose to buy the properties and gut them instead. But what's done is done, they can't undo what they've done to destroy the acreage. All we can do now is to promote the community to people who want to be better stewards for the future.

And you can do it for a profit. I'm still a proud happy money-spending capitalist.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207973)
I don't believe anyone has said it is "necessary" to have either one...

The discussion is about the reaction "if" they do decide to recite, play them...

So if I find out where you'll be dining next, and bring a hand-held American flag with me, stand just inside the doorway and start reciting the Pledge..

You'll stop eating and stand?

How about when I wait 5 minutes, and recite it again? Will you stop eating and stand again?

How about if I see you walk into the bathroom, and I go in there and start reciting the pledge there with my flag waving in my hand?

If you're driving down the street and see me waving my flag and I'm reciting the pledge, will you stop your car, get out of it, and stand to recite the pledge with me?

No? Why not?

Answer: because it's not appropriate for me to do that.

Just like it's not appropriate for a band to exploit a little girl who probably has NO idea what the words even mean, by making go on stage to recite the pledge before they start playing.

Keefelane66 04-16-2023 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2208119)
So if I find out where you'll be dining next, and bring a hand-held American flag with me, stand just inside the doorway and start reciting the Pledge..

You'll stop eating and stand?

How about when I wait 5 minutes, and recite it again? Will you stop eating and stand again?

How about if I see you walk into the bathroom, and I go in there and start reciting the pledge there with my flag waving in my hand?

If you're driving down the street and see me waving my flag and I'm reciting the pledge, will you stop your car, get out of it, and stand to recite the pledge with me?

No? Why not?

Answer: because it's not appropriate for me to do that.

Just like it's not appropriate for a band to exploit a little girl who probably has NO idea what the words even mean, by making go on stage to recite the pledge before they start playing.

Interesting story if you were ever in the military @ COLORS the raising and lowering of the flag at Military installations. All motion stops including vehicle movement. If you are outside you are required to stop and turn facing direction of flag staff.
At smaller units I was stationed flag was raised and lowered with no fan fare.

coffeebean 04-16-2023 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2207194)
Hmmm. Recital of the Pledge of Allegiance is viewed as a PR stunt and thus people refused to show their Allegiance?
They used to recite The Pledge before the school day started every day. Done to instill patriotism.
Perhaps we need a reminder of what it means to be a citizen and be a member of this Republic that so many have sacrificed themselves to preserve. Our veterans are not the only ones who have made sacrifices... many citizens have fought for rights of citizens as well, i.e. abolition of slavery, civil rights, rights to vote, women's rights.
Our Republic is not perfect, but in my opinion, it has helped create the only Nation in the world I want to call home.
So, what is wrong with showing a little patriotism? Is it really to much to ask for to expect (you do have the right to refuse) our citizens to show a little respect and remind us that we owe a little Allegiance to this great Nation?
Says a lot about American citizens today.

I remember pledging allegiance to our flag as a kid in school. It went something like this.......
" I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for Richard stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and justice for all".

Keefelane66 04-16-2023 03:21 PM

It's surprising that the National Anthem isn't played every day at the start of the PGA Tournaments. Guess they aren't patriotic...

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-16-2023 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2208135)
Interesting story if you were ever in the military @ COLORS the raising and lowering of the flag at Military installations. All motion stops including vehicle movement. If you are outside you are required to stop and turn facing direction of flag staff.
At smaller units I was stationed flag was raised and lowered with no fan fare.

Yup we had the same thing at summer camp, every morning we'd play reveille and raise the flag, with every camper, counselor, and staffer standing still to silently observe. At dusk, we'd lower and fold the flag. At bedtime we played taps and prayed our thanks for the day we'd just experienced.

The Villages has LOTS of flagpoles. Many have American flags on them. Many of those flags are in various stages of disarray - tattered, faded, torn, dirty.

They keep those flags up 24/7, regardless of the weather, even though many of those flagpoles have no illumination.

Many of these people who have their flags up in such horrible conditions, very clearly against the (non-enforceable) Flag Code, are people who claim to be patriots.

You want to display your patriotism with your flag? Then treat it properly and with the respect it is due. Otherwise - sit down and hold your tongue. Which is exactly what many of us do, because many of US have more respect for that flag than many self-proclaimed "patriots" who fly it from their flagpoles.

I don't need a flag to be a patriot. I don't need to prove my patriotism to anyone. But if I were going to raise a flag, you'd better believe I'd handle it with the respect it's due.

golfing eagles 04-16-2023 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2208115)
If you had actually spent a few moments paying attention to the posts I've posted over the past three years, including many you responded to with this line of attack -

you would have seen that we were in the process of becoming homeless, when we moved here to an area that had already been developed back in the 1970's.

And yes I objected to the expansion south of 466A. The Developer, if he truly wanted to benefit the existing community AND profit - could have supported the fruit groves and agribusiness that were struggling, and turned them around to provide jobs, healthy living, healthy foods, and healthy activities for the entire community.

They chose to buy the properties and gut them instead. But what's done is done, they can't undo what they've done to destroy the acreage. All we can do now is to promote the community to people who want to be better stewards for the future.

And you can do it for a profit. I'm still a proud happy money-spending capitalist.

And if this was California, the developer might have gone that route. Thank God we aren't

fdpaq0580 04-16-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2208154)
And if this was California, the developer might have gone that route. Thank God we aren't

First, God had nothing to do with it.
Second, developers in California love building as much as Florida developers.

I'm Popeye! 04-16-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2208137)
I remember pledging allegiance to our flag as a kid in school. It went something like this.......
" I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for Richard stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and justice for all".

Did the jokester also sing, "Oh Jose can you see," at the beginning of OUR National Anthem.. :shocked:

golfing eagles 04-16-2023 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2208159)
First, God had nothing to do with it.
Second, developers in California love building as much as Florida developers.

Doubt it. Different audience.

Boomer 04-16-2023 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207720)
Nice rant...

Except the thread was never about standing for THAT song...

I won't even respond to the political nonsense...


Well, hello there, Mintz, my old nemesis. And, hey, thanks for reading my post #142 and you even quoted me in 143. Made it all worth writing the “rant.” :)

But, c’mon, surely you don’t mean you really cannot see this thread is most certainly about not standing for THAT SONG. I would call THAT SONG a dog whistle, but I have too much respect for dogs.

Your fiend,
Boomer

JMintzer 04-16-2023 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2208115)
If you had actually spent a few moments paying attention to the posts I've posted over the past three years, including many you responded to with this line of attack -

you would have seen that we were in the process of becoming homeless, when we moved here to an area that had already been developed back in the 1970's.

And yes I objected to the expansion south of 466A. The Developer, if he truly wanted to benefit the existing community AND profit - could have supported the fruit groves and agribusiness that were struggling, and turned them around to provide jobs, healthy living, healthy foods, and healthy activities for the entire community.

They chose to buy the properties and gut them instead. But what's done is done, they can't undo what they've done to destroy the acreage. All we can do now is to promote the community to people who want to be better stewards for the future.

And you can do it for a profit. I'm still a proud happy money-spending capitalist.

Okay, cool... I bought a re-sale, so all is good...

Carry on...


P.S. Do you actually expect me to remember everything about your life?


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