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Pairadocs 04-13-2023 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2206912)
You would get no "stink eye" from me. I would be busy eating my dinner, too.

But if I am interpreting this all correctly, the focus seems to be would/did you, a veteran, think LESS of those who did stand, I know my hubby, a marine who saw combat, would not, even if he continued to eat, he would not consider those who did stand a non-patriotic at all. That's the part that just doesn't make sense. It makes me think of something I never considered; are those who quietly bow their heads without fanfare, and SILENTLY say a pray before a meal in public, actually judged by those around them ? Never considered that, but it's the same category of comparison.

Pairadocs 04-13-2023 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2207004)
Which version? I learned it before the "under God" part was added as a sop to the Christian right. Still don't say that part. I'm such a rebel.

That's the beauty of our nation, you don't have to. If we all lived in China, or in North Korea, none of us would dare refuse, and we'd all keep a picture of the "dear leader" in a prominent place in our homes. Here we can chose to NEVER have any picture of any politician in our home if we choose, yes, I am so lucky to be an American. Just to throw it in, I also like that our justice system differs from many other democracies in that here you are innocent until proved guilty, not the opposite !

Bilyclub 04-13-2023 07:01 PM

I would stand for the Pledge and don't think there is anything wrong with the band doing what they did. If some don't stand, so what.

DonH57 04-13-2023 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 2206849)
I am a proud veteran, love my country, served in a war, member of the American Legion, and a volunteer for Honor Flight. I feel I am a true patriot. I will proudly stand for the pledge and the national anthem, but I do not make a special effort to stand for the Lee Greenwood song. I was eating dinner once in the bowling alley restaurant in Spanish Springs when karaoke was going on, and the DJ played the Lee Greenwood song and expected everyone to stand. I did not. I got some stink-eye looks from neighboring tables, but I won't be intimidated by anyone. There are any number of patriotic songs that can be played. Only the national anthem deserves special respect.

Exactly. I'm a vet too and the only song I'll stand for is the national anthem. Standing for Greenwood's song spread in the villages like a cult.

JMintzer 04-13-2023 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2207034)
. For a little girl reciting the Pledge of Allegiance .... MAYBE I'd stand just to make her feel special, but not for a commercial song just because it's become a "thing".

That was the point of the original post... Standing for the Pledge...

JMintzer 04-13-2023 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2207054)
Exactly. I'm a vet too and the only song I'll stand for is the national anthem. Standing for Greenwood's song spread in the villages like a cult.

The thread was never about standing for Greenwood's song...

The original poster even clarified that point!

DonH57 04-13-2023 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207063)
The thread was never about standing for Greenwood's song...

The original poster even clarified that point!

I went back and read it. I don't see a clarification between the girl singing and the song. What's your reason to attack me? Because I view different?

I'm Popeye! 04-13-2023 08:32 PM

Just think about this: what OLD people are thinking about this on here; I wonder what these YOUNG college kids feel about it.
I know, Asta La Vista America, you are no more.

fdpaq0580 04-13-2023 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2207013)
There was no Christian right back in the mid 50's, rather the Under god was added by the power of the Knights of Columbus as a way to promote their view of how we should differ from "godless" Communism. It was during the peak of McCarthyism and blacklists and checking for Commies under your bed that we got the additional verbiage.

That was a long time ago. I had forgotten. I stand corrected. Thank you!

Two Bills 04-14-2023 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2207031)
But the real question is: Did anyone in that era ever find a communist under their bed?????

Given some of the paranoid responses on TOTV. many are still looking.
Just because you can't see them, it doesn't mean they are not there.:icon_wink:

PersonOfInterest 04-14-2023 05:03 AM

I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.

Sandy and Ed 04-14-2023 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

At first reading this response I said “what the hell!!!” After thinking a bit more I agree with the points made but I will still stand to acknowledge the message in the song. As for the pledge, I would recite that whenever and wherever without a second thought.

Sandy and Ed 04-14-2023 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207107)
I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.

No comment. Shame we don’t have a simple “thumbs down” emoji.

Topgun 1776 04-14-2023 05:31 AM

Totally agree! Air Force retiree here!!!

GizmoWhiskers 04-14-2023 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2206868)
It's a very good song that is also the lead in for a speech from a certain politican. Many people know this and it's a shame this song is closely attributed to him. As a Viet Nam veteran I too only stand for the Pledge and our National Anthem.

That song became famous in the 9/11 era if my old mind serves me correctly.

GizmoWhiskers 04-14-2023 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

Pledge of allegence used to equal STAND; and a CHILD leading it... represent. How terrible for a child to see old adults sitting that could stand for the PLEDGE, not a song that is not the anthem. Just a thought.

me4vt 04-14-2023 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2206940)
I don’t see the point in saying the pledge before a clay modeling class at a rec center………………..
This is really being done?

Similar to opening in prayer!

Bill14564 04-14-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2207118)
That song became famous in the 9/11 era if my old mind serves me correctly.

The Greenwood song? I first remember it being popular during the first Gulf War in the early 90s.

skyking 04-14-2023 05:57 AM

I agree with the original post. (Army officer.)

me4vt 04-14-2023 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207107)
I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.

We’re living in America where they choose to live! The Pledge is basically showing You believe in our Flag and America. Like opening in Prayer, showing People, In GOD we Trust!

golfing eagles 04-14-2023 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2207124)
The Greenwood song? I first remember it being popular during the first Gulf War in the early 90s.

From Wikipedia:

"God Bless the U.S.A." (also known as "Proud to Be an American"[2][3][4]) is an American patriotic song written and recorded by American country music artist Lee Greenwood, and is considered to be his signature song. The first album it appears on is his 1984 album You've Got a Good Love Comin'. It reached No. 7 on the Billboard magazine Hot Country Singles chart when originally released in the spring of 1984, and was played at the 1984 Republican National Convention with President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy Reagan in attendance, but the song gained greater prominence during the Gulf War in 1990 and 1991 as a way of boosting morale. As a result of its newfound popularity, Greenwood re-recorded the track for his 1992 album American Patriot.

The popularity of the song rose again sharply after the September 11 attacks and during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and the song was re-released as a single, re-entering the country music charts at No. 16 and peaking at No. 16 on the Billboard Hot 100 pop chart in 2001.[5] A new version of the song was recorded in 2003 and released as "God Bless the U.S.A. 2003."

The song has sold over a million copies in the United States by July 2015.[6]

mjr0773 04-14-2023 06:26 AM

It’s a great song, but…
 
It’s a great song and has been long before it now seems to be associated with a certain politician.

That said it is NOT our national anthem and there is no formal reason to stand when the song is played. If one chooses to stand that’s fine but nobody should be disappointed or stunned if someone chooses not to stand.

As far as the Pledge goes, all who are able should stand in my opinion.


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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?


jmpalladino 04-14-2023 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

Last time I checked, this is a free country, this is not about respect, it is about what someone else belives everyone else must do. Is this America or China? Think about what you said OP.

bp243 04-14-2023 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

It seems American to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. That’s the one thing in our country that should be apolitical. Love when people stand together as a country despite their other beliefs, particularly in support of our servicemen.

threeonemiles@outlook.com 04-14-2023 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

I stand for the flag and kneel for God. It doesn't matter to me if you stand or not stand for the Pledge. I do because it's how I feel about America, but you have a choice. The song is nice but it's just a song. America is so disrespected around the world that even its own citizens disrespect her. Read the Bill of Rights. Many countries around the world do not give their citizens a choice.

Marine1974 04-14-2023 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

Try telling your feelings about not standing for the pledge of allegiance to a room full of widows or families who lost loved ones who lost their loved ones protecting your freedom.
Truly us veterans don’t need your respect. You’re only fooling yourself, not us .

Jack Lefebvre 04-14-2023 06:57 AM

Yankee

Frankb 04-14-2023 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

The song is actually titled “God Bless the USA”

Marine1974 04-14-2023 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jmpalladino (Post 2207134)
Last time I checked, this is a free country, this is not about respect, it is about what someone else belives everyone else must do. Is this America or China? Think about what you said OP.

It is a free country because of the men and women who died defending it . Keep in mind the 20 million veterans living in the USA see you sitting during the pledge of allegiance know exactly what you’re really saying to them by sitting. By the way our military is all volunteer unlike China.

Marine1974 04-14-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2207029)
It is called freedom. Specifically freedom of choice.

We veterans don’t care if you
choose to disrespect them . We don’t need your support and know exactly what you’re all about .

collegeref 04-14-2023 07:14 AM

Really, are you a vet or
cop or “ firefighter”. Actually, were u a fan of controversial Lee.
Maybe Hayfire or Clark Barios are ashamed to play the National Anthem that I salute when played but choose to sit as you might put it stand up and hold hand next to
someone who might have been at Logan Airport calling me a baby killer. So John Dixon and 501 both play the Anthem not the fake news anthem played by the pre-mentioned Hayfire and Barios band. Thanks for bringing this up for us saluting Nam Vets.

Singerlady 04-14-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

It’s been ok to do whatever one wishes for the last 7 years. The rhetoric has been different, but the actions say otherwise. Sad.

Vermilion Villager 04-14-2023 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

Did it ever occur to you they were Canadian or from another country? :welcome:

Marine1974 04-14-2023 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2206846)
Really enjoy Hayfire. The great thing about the USA is freedom to not stand for whatever. And in some other countries not conforming to the mob comes with a great price.

What if our all volunteer military
felt the same way as you and all chose not to serve. Are you ok with that too ?

Mumsie 04-14-2023 07:28 AM

Totally agree
 
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2206927)
I don’t know why people think this milk sop song should require standing for , I guess it’s one of those only in the village moments and no I never stand for it , I’m afraid to ,I might get sick on the person in front of me and I have to wonder why the pledge is being used for a bands performance , sort of like the used car dealer with the 30 flags outside proclaiming he’s proud to be an American , I’ve always stood for the national anthem and that’s it and I would only stand for the pledge in a proper setting and not for the PR stunt by some band , and I shouldn’t have to defend my post but I’ll say this I’m a Vietnam combat multi Purple Heart , multi tour paratrooper who went back with another government agency doing the same thing in Laos , and Cambodia

I’m with you, Charlie! Only in The Villages do people judge your “patriotism” by how many American flags adorn your golf cart and whether you stand for a hokey country song. I can handle all the dirty looks I receive while I remain in my seat.

Lindaws 04-14-2023 07:32 AM

Worse from young people. Do they even know our Pledge.?

chuckpedrey 04-14-2023 07:36 AM

WOW!!! Call me old fashioned if you must because I even stand and get choked up when I see our flag being raised when an American wins a gold medal at the Olympics

Vermilion Villager 04-14-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2207042)
If we all lived in China, or in North Korea, none of us would dare refuse, and we'd all keep a picture of the "dear leader" in a prominent place in our homes.

You mean like the flags the cult flies here in TV? (and no I don't mean the "un-doctored" Stars and Stripes):spoken:

GATORBILL66 04-14-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to america when people do stand for it. It puts it as equal to the national anthem, which is an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the nation selects it to replace the national anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

you don't stand for the pledge of allegiance? Wow

Bill14564 04-14-2023 07:51 AM

It's ironic that those who yell the loudest about fighting for your freedom are also those that yell the loudest when you exercise those freedoms.


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