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JMintzer 04-14-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207264)
That's kinda the point. And the reason we don't kneel during our mortal lives. We'll kneel when we meet god.

I've never in my life heard that...

charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-14-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207318)
Once again... It's not about the song!

Honestly, does anyone bother to read the threads anymore?

You can say that till you get tired but yes I read it but you always No everything so I guess your reading ability is far superior to mine

JMintzer 04-14-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2207324)
You can say that till you get tired but yes I read it but you always No everything so I guess your reading ability is far superior to mine

Far from me to argue with you...

fdpaq0580 04-14-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207318)
Once again... It's not about the song!

Honestly, does anyone bother to read the threads anymore?

Reading only slows down posting. Just like your 10,000 steps, gotta get your 10,000 words.
Next!

fdpaq0580 04-14-2023 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207321)
This isn't rocket surgery...

Shur it are! In'it?

collegeref 04-14-2023 03:45 PM

Unpatriotic
 
That song made millions for a 4 (F)(S)
whatever. Clark B plays it also. By the way John Dixon and 501 bands play the real thing and I
go into salute mode.

Sit mode tonight at SS

Byte1 04-14-2023 04:04 PM

In Vietnam, I was privileged/grateful to be in the rear area where I was patched up before returning me to the boonies to fight another day. While back there, I had the chance to attend one of the many USO shows put on for the troops. One of the favorite songs performed was the "Green, green grass of home." Everyone that could stand was standing and cheering and singing along for that song. If standing emotionally for a favorite song bothers someone's sensitivity in this country, then it makes one wonder just how spoiled and elitist or how forgetful some are in this country. Sit quietly if you feel like it. That's fine. Insult those that are emotional if you wish. All you are doing is belittling yourself, because some of us are proud of our country and admire the patriots that support this country in any way they can at the time. Some can't stand, but I bet they would if they could. Especially, most of us seniors. I don't stand in my living room for the national anthem on TV, because I don't need to "show" my support there. I "show" my support to encourage others to be proud of what this country offers us and what Freedom is like and to be grateful for it. A saying which has been mutilated or morphed many times goes like this: For those that fight for it, Freedom (or liberty) has a flavor that the protected will never taste (or know). I stand for my country and bow to GOD, and I am grateful for the Grace of both. Disgrace either at your own peril, because in the long run, you are only hurting yourself.
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Oh, and I will always STAND for the Pledge of Allegiance to our FLAG. Regardless of whom or when it is recited. Sorry, if my being emotional and proud of my country bothers some, that's not my problem.....it's theirs. I stood proudly to witness many of my wife's family get their citizenship. And it really means a lot to me when I see foreign born volunteer to fight for this great country.

collegeref 04-14-2023 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2206844)
Coming soon, it's OVER! :sad:

Do you mean like over there / over there the yanks are coming was it GG/Cagney

joelfmi 04-14-2023 05:47 PM

Their are so many hymns about standing up for our flags and so few noodles
 
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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

Although a small amount of people have been under protest of the Pledge of Allegiance for many years, the beginning of the new wave of controversy most recently started with Colin Kaepernick. A former NFL football player, Kaepernick was exposed under the attention of national news after he knelt during the national anthem at the start of a NFL game to protest his beliefs that police brutality and racial inequality black and white in the United States. This is the most common reason to protest the Pledge. Overall, those who protest the pledge do so for the reason of political protest. Although many continue their respect for the country, they use their actions as a symbol of criticism of the actions done in order to protect the rights of every citizen. Since Kaepernick’s actions, many people have used sitting for the pledge or national anthem as their way to demonstrate that they are in a peaceful protest to this country’s actions.
Those who stand for the Pledge say it is to honor those who have died in war and where crippled; they feel that soldiers are given respect with these actions. Overall, the act of standing and reciting the pledge is a symbol for the united nation of America, regardless of political beliefs. When talking about the matter of justice, the act of standing is a salute to the idea that America gives the opportunity of justice. In addition, many people who are considered more conservative use the pledge to show their allegiance, as the pledge says itself, to the United States of America. I believe that every American should show respect for our men and women soldiers by standing. Not doing so is disrespectful. And must stop.

collegeref 04-14-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 2206849)
I am a proud veteran, love my country, served in a war, member of the American Legion, and a volunteer for Honor Flight. I feel I am a true patriot. I will proudly stand for the pledge and the national anthem, but I do not make a special effort to stand for the Lee Greenwood song. I was eating dinner once in the bowling alley restaurant in Spanish Springs when karaoke was going on, and the DJ played the Lee Greenwood song and expected everyone to stand. I did not. I got some stink-eye looks from neighboring tables, but I won't be intimidated by anyone. There are any number of patriotic songs that can be played. Only the national anthem deserves special respect.

Maybe the DJ was a college professor moonlighting as a DJ

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-14-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2207403)
I believe that every American should show respect for our men and women soldiers by standing. Not doing so is disrespectful. And must stop.

Your belief is based on faulty logic.

The soldiers fought and died for our FREEDOM to stand or sit, as we please. Freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, are rights guaranteed to us by our government. As such, we have the right to -not- stand or pledge our allegiance to any flag, whether it be of the United States of America or Zimbabwe. We are not obligated to do that, and exercising our freedom to choose is exactly WHY we had soldiers in the first place.

Rejecting those freedoms and shaming people who exercise the very thing those soldiers fought to protect our right to do, is disrespectful.

PugMom 04-14-2023 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2206846)
Really enjoy Hayfire. The great thing about the USA is freedom to not stand for whatever. And in some other countries not conforming to the mob comes with a great price.

:BigApplause::highfive: thank you!

Geodyssey 04-14-2023 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2207403)
...I believe that every American should show respect for our men and women soldiers by standing. Not doing so is disrespectful. And must stop.

Is there an "or else" attached to that "must"?

I won't stand for the P.o.A. marketing scam. Only stand for the Anthem.

The pedge is the poetry version of the statue of liberty.

golfing eagles 04-15-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2207403)
Although a small amount of people have been under protest of the Pledge of Allegiance for many years, the beginning of the new wave of controversy most recently started with Colin Kaepernick. A former NFL football player, Kaepernick was exposed under the attention of national news after he knelt during the national anthem at the start of a NFL game to protest his beliefs that police brutality and racial inequality black and white in the United States. This is the most common reason to protest the Pledge. Overall, those who protest the pledge do so for the reason of political protest. Although many continue their respect for the country, they use their actions as a symbol of criticism of the actions done in order to protect the rights of every citizen. Since Kaepernick’s actions, many people have used sitting for the pledge or national anthem as their way to demonstrate that they are in a peaceful protest to this country’s actions.
Those who stand for the Pledge say it is to honor those who have died in war and where crippled; they feel that soldiers are given respect with these actions. Overall, the act of standing and reciting the pledge is a symbol for the united nation of America, regardless of political beliefs. When talking about the matter of justice, the act of standing is a salute to the idea that America gives the opportunity of justice. In addition, many people who are considered more conservative use the pledge to show their allegiance, as the pledge says itself, to the United States of America. I believe that every American should show respect for our men and women soldiers by standing. Not doing so is disrespectful. And must stop.

Agree 1000%. And Kaepernick is a SPOS. While most people do not know what that stands for, the rules of this forum as well as decorum prevents me from spelling it out.

JGibson 04-15-2023 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 2207403)
Although a small amount of people have been under protest of the Pledge of Allegiance for many years, the beginning of the new wave of controversy most recently started with Colin Kaepernick. A former NFL football player, Kaepernick was exposed under the attention of national news after he knelt during the national anthem at the start of a NFL game to protest his beliefs that police brutality and racial inequality black and white in the United States. This is the most common reason to protest the Pledge. Overall, those who protest the pledge do so for the reason of political protest. Although many continue their respect for the country, they use their actions as a symbol of criticism of the actions done in order to protect the rights of every citizen. Since Kaepernick’s actions, many people have used sitting for the pledge or national anthem as their way to demonstrate that they are in a peaceful protest to this country’s actions.
Those who stand for the Pledge say it is to honor those who have died in war and where crippled; they feel that soldiers are given respect with these actions. Overall, the act of standing and reciting the pledge is a symbol for the united nation of America, regardless of political beliefs. When talking about the matter of justice, the act of standing is a salute to the idea that America gives the opportunity of justice. In addition, many people who are considered more conservative use the pledge to show their allegiance, as the pledge says itself, to the United States of America. I believe that every American should show respect for our men and women soldiers by standing. Not doing so is disrespectful. And must stop.

It's amazing how gullible people are and how the carry lies for years.

Kaepernick wasn't protesting police brutality or any social justice, he was pouting about being benched for a White man.

He didn't want to look like a cry baby so he quickly pivoted to social justice so he didn't look like an immature child.

He wasn't even kneeling at first he was sitting on the bench and a military guy told him kneeling would be more appropriate.

So it began another one of the biggest hoaxes of all time.

It reminds me of folks who still believe "hands up don't shoot" actually happened. Even a certain Commander believed that hoax. Which only fueled the fake situation.

No wonder so many people in TV get scammed, they don't question anything.

I'm Popeye! 04-15-2023 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by collegeref (Post 2207374)
Do you mean like over there / over there the yanks are coming was it GG/Cagney

More like "Game Over," there will be no true "Patriot" Yanks this time to rescue us. The "rainbow sickos" have done enough damage for others to invade the freedom we have sadly abused...

I'm Popeye! 04-15-2023 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2207032)
Can't I just go to a show and not have to deal with this stuff?

Do you mean like the Half-Time show at a Superbowl FOOTBALL game?

I'm Popeye! 04-15-2023 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207176)
A That is what our military fights for - that freedom of choice.

That is the POINT of those songs and pledges. To express that - thanks to our ancestors and the Founding Fathers, we have that freedom of choice.

What have YOU done to continue this FREEDOM in America instead of you sitting there with your constant negative comments about the land supposedly you were born in, Miss OrangeBlossomBaby?
Well, wait for your written accomplishments...:read:

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-15-2023 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2207533)
What have YOU done to continue this FREEDOM in America instead of you sitting there with your constant negative comments about the land supposedly you were born in, Miss OrangeBlossomBaby?
Well, wait for your written accomplishments...:read:

It's none of your business. And thanks to this great country, I have the right to that bit of privacy.

golfing eagles 04-15-2023 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207551)
It's none of your business. And thanks to this great country, I have the right to that bit of privacy.

You have a right to privacy
You have the freedom to sit for the Pledge of Allegiance
But......just because you have that right, doesn't make it the right thing to do.

JMintzer 04-15-2023 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2207563)
You have a right to privacy
You have the freedom to sit for the Pledge of Allegiance
But......just because you have that right, doesn't make it the right thing to do.

As SWMBO always says, "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD..."

Boomer 04-15-2023 12:36 PM

This is mainly about THAT SONG and probably a bye-bye Boomer
 
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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2207201)
it’s a PR stunt when some band decides to bring out a 7 year old child to recite the pledge , it’s a free country , but in my eyes it just cheapens the whole meaning of the pledge


Hey, charlieo, I agree with you.

I, too, see that intro routine as a marketing ploy, pandering to their presumed TV market, made up mostly of those who lean and thrive on the division in this country. The child should have been left out of it.

Mr. Boomer and I stand for the pledge and for the Star Spangled Banner, BUT about that “Proud to be an American” song………

That song has been around forever, but in the past several years, it has been turned into an anthem, and in a way, the battle cry, for those who lean far in a certain direction.

I am happy to hear that there were those in that audience who did not feel intimidated into standing up for that Greenwood song. Those who did not stand knew exactly what was going on and did not choose to be a part of the cult-behavior that has seized our nation and is only getting worse.

To me, standing for THAT song which is NOT our National Anthem is in the same clueless category as defacing our beloved flag by plastering an image of a well-known face right across the middle of “Old Glory” and thinking that is patriotic…….

Btw, in case anyone reading this is all set to call me the names that have been so easily programmed in and ready to spew……..well, that would be off.

And, just for the record, Mr. Boomer’s background is military - Army SF, Green Beret — and he would not stand for that fake “Proud to be an American” anthem either. We know how divisive that song has become — and so did those people being judged by their “sitting” — and many of them could be just plain moderates who use their own critical thinking skills and refuse to be manipulated…….and who are very concerned about the road this country is headed down.

:boom:er (“It once was my party and I’ll cry if I want to”) Seeya.

JMintzer 04-15-2023 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2207704)
Hey, charlieo, I agree with you.

I, too, see that intro routine as a marketing ploy, pandering to their presumed TV market, made up mostly of those who lean and thrive on the division in this country. The child should have been left out of it.

Mr. Boomer and I stand for the pledge and for the Star Spangled Banner, BUT about that “Proud to be an American” song………

That song has been around forever, but in the past several years, it has been turned into an anthem, and in a way, the battle cry, for those who lean far in a certain direction.

I am happy to hear that there were those in that audience who did not feel intimidated into standing up for that Greenwood song. Those who did not stand knew exactly what was going on and did not choose to be a part of the cult-behavior that has seized our nation and is only getting worse.

To me, standing for THAT song which is NOT our National Anthem is in the same clueless category as defacing our beloved flag by plastering an image of a well-known face right across the middle of “Old Glory” and thinking that is patriotic…….

Btw, in case anyone reading this is all set to call me the names that have been so easily programmed in and ready to spew……..well, that would be off.

And, just for the record, Mr. Boomer’s background is military - Army SF, Green Beret — and he would not stand for that fake “Proud to be an American” anthem either. We know how divisive that song has become — and so did those people being judged by their “sitting” — and many of them could be just plain moderates who use their own critical thinking skills and refuse to be manipulated…….and who are very concerned about the road this country is headed down.

:boom:er (“It once was my party and I’ll cry if I want to”) Seeya.

Nice rant...

Except the thread was never about standing for THAT song...

I won't even respond to the political nonsense...

rustyp 04-15-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2207704)
Hey, charlieo, I agree with you.

I, too, see that intro routine as a marketing ploy, pandering to their presumed TV market, made up mostly of those who lean and thrive on the division in this country. The child should have been left out of it.

I agree. The pledge of allegiance has a part that the reciter hand over heart is committing to by oath ---- one nation under God - INDIVISIBLE with liberty ----- I walked into City Fire with gold colored "united we stand" cap on. Big mistake. Who are the hypocrites the ones standing taking a pledge they do not live by daily or the ones that remained seated ?

Johnsocat 04-15-2023 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207408)
Your belief is based on faulty logic.

The soldiers fought and died for our FREEDOM to stand or sit, as we please. Freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, are rights guaranteed to us by our government. As such, we have the right to -not- stand or pledge our allegiance to any flag, whether it be of the United States of America or Zimbabwe. We are not obligated to do that, and exercising our freedom to choose is exactly WHY we had soldiers in the first place.

Rejecting those freedoms and shaming people who exercise the very thing those soldiers fought to protect our right to do, is disrespectful.

Faulty logic. As a veteran who served 24 years and was born, grew up and went to school on military installations, I can guarantee you that, although you are free to disrespect our nation, that is absolutely NOT what A SINGLE troop I have served with believed they were fighting "for" you to directly have the "right" to disrespect them and their service.

What does it say about a group of Americans who can't get excited, for whatever reason or occasion, about expressing their love and pride of country???
Maybe, you (generic you) are the proof that, at this point, it simply isn't worth saving.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-15-2023 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2207736)
Faulty logic. As a veteran who served 24 years and was born, grew up and went to school on military installations, I can guarantee you that, although you are free to disrespect our nation, that is absolutely NOT what A SINGLE troop I have served with believed they were fighting "for" you to directly have the "right" to disrespect them and their service.

What does it say about a group of Americans who can't get excited, for whatever reason or occasion, about expressing their love and pride of country???
Maybe, you (generic you) are the proof that, at this point, it simply isn't worth saving.

Being disrespectful to "our nation" - I'm not the one leaving cigarette butts on the ground. I'm not the one polluting the ocean with nuclear waste. I'm not the one digging into our planet to mine coal. I'm not the one digging up beautiful wildlife and nature and exchanging it for apartments and housing for people who already have a home somewhere else.

Choosing to remain seated when a child is exploited by a bunch of adult yahoos in a sorry attempt to draw attention to how patriotic they are - is not "disrespecting" anyone.

I'm Popeye! 04-15-2023 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207551)
It's none of your business. And thanks to this great country, I have the right to that bit of privacy.

//////
I'm Deleting this post; if not, it would have probably kicked me off this place. :rolleyes:
Miss OrangeTyphoneLady, you get a pass this time. :police:

coralway 04-15-2023 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2207503)
Do you mean like the Half-Time show at a Superbowl FOOTBALL game?




Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.

Taltarzac725 04-15-2023 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2207846)
Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.

The Super Bowl Half Time shows are marketed for teens to thirty somethings and some older people. Not really to those 55 and older except for those of us who are young at heart. Even though I have met many Villagers who often act more like teens than most teens do. Especially the quite grown up teens here in the Villages.

fdpaq0580 04-15-2023 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2207846)
Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.

Nah! Most were in the kitchen or BBQ getting food ready for the second half while talking about the first half. Only Uncle Ned wasn't in the kitchen at our house. The chocolate Cootie Clusters auntie wuzzy made gave him the .... um, the geysers (if you catch my drift

PersonOfInterest 04-16-2023 04:07 AM

Why is it necessary to have the Pledge and/or national anthem at club meetings, entertainment and sports events? Do you really care if all the people there are patriotic or not? Those standing can be unpatriotic and you'd never know it and those sitting could be just as patriotic as you, But what does it matter? Are you there for entertainment or meeting or sports event or are you there to see if everyone there is patriotic?

There are articles about 'American soldiers returning home from Vietnam who often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular.' Do you think those people treating the Vietnam vets in that manner were 'Sitting' for the Pledge or national anthem? Some of you proudly standing may have been among them.

How a person really feels about this country and those who fought for it is not always shown by the symbolism of standing.

mickey100 04-16-2023 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207866)
Why is it necessary to have the Pledge and/or national anthem at club meetings, entertainment and sports events? Do you really care if all the people there are patriotic or not? Those standing can be unpatriotic and you'd never know it and those sitting could be just as patriotic as you, But what does it matter? Are you there for entertainment or meeting or sports event or are you there to see if everyone there is patriotic?

There are articles about 'American soldiers returning home from Vietnam who often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular.' Do you think those people treating the Vietnam vets in that manner were 'Sitting' for the Pledge or national anthem? Some of you proudly standing may have been among them.

How a person really feels about this country and those who fought for it is not always shown by the symbolism of standing.

Good common sense reply.

Boffin 04-16-2023 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2207563)
You have a right to privacy
You have the freedom to sit for the Pledge of Allegiance
But......just because you have that right, doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Exactly what does make anything “the right thing to do?”

Two Bills 04-16-2023 05:45 AM

‘Patriotism is the Last Refuge of the Scoundrel’
SJ.

golfing eagles 04-16-2023 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2207878)
Exactly what does make anything “the right thing to do?”

If you don't already know, it's too late for me to teach you.

kkingston57 04-16-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by vlm790 (Post 2206840)
The band Hayfire played a great show at Brownwood last night. They had a little girl about 7 do the Pledge of Allegiance and then they sang the Proud to be an American song by Lee Greenwood. It was stunning to see the people who remained seated and didn’t even show respect. Where has American pride gone?

Does a person need to stand to have pride? People do stand for the PLEDGE of Allegiance.

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2207734)
I agree. The pledge of allegiance has a part that the reciter hand over heart is committing to by oath ---- one nation under God - INDIVISIBLE with liberty ----- I walked into City Fire with gold colored "united we stand" cap on. Big mistake. Who are the hypocrites the ones standing taking a pledge they do not live by daily or the ones that remained seated ?

You're not gonna' tell us what happened?

Why was it a "big mistake"?

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2207771)
Being disrespectful to "our nation" - I'm not the one leaving cigarette butts on the ground. I'm not the one polluting the ocean with nuclear waste. I'm not the one digging into our planet to mine coal. I'm not the one digging up beautiful wildlife and nature and exchanging it for apartments and housing for people who already have a home somewhere else.

Choosing to remain seated when a child is exploited by a bunch of adult yahoos in a sorry attempt to draw attention to how patriotic they are - is not "disrespecting" anyone.

Were you homeless when you move to TV?

Or, do you just want them to stop the development after YOU moved in?

I'm Popeye! 04-16-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2207846)
Yes, just like that. Incidentally, the most recent Super Bowl half time show was the most watched half-time show in SB history. Obviously, millions of folks enjoyed it very much.

You mean the most watched "Super Bowl" game, next year that record will be broken, and so on and so on... but you give the credit to the Halftime show, instead of the Commercials.. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

rustyp 04-16-2023 08:43 AM

And the band announced:

Everyone please stand.
Remove your caps.
Place your right hand over your heart.
And repeat after me - where do I place my beer ?


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