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Worse from young people. Do they even know our Pledge.?

WOW!!! Call me old fashioned if you must because I even stand and get choked up when I see our flag being raised when an American wins a gold medal at the Olympics

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2207042)

If we all lived in China, or in North Korea, none of us would dare refuse, and we'd all keep a picture of the "dear leader" in a prominent place in our homes.

You mean like the flags the cult flies here in TV? (and no I don't mean the "un-doctored" Stars and Stripes):spoken:

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Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby (Post 2206842)

"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to america when people do stand for it. It puts it as equal to the national anthem, which is an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the nation selects it to replace the national anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

you don't stand for the pledge of allegiance? Wow

It's ironic that those who yell the loudest about fighting for your freedom are also those that yell the loudest when you exercise those freedoms.

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2207035)

And yet... for many decades people have stood, hand over heart, IN MASS at public gatherings and events when Kate Smith's "God Bless America" is sung. Are ALL those millions "unpatriotic" ? Certainly it is not the national Anthem, and NO ONE should be criticized for NOT standing, but Greenwood's rendition has become an "unofficial" national anthem and what harm is done if many come to their feet, or continue to sit ? The, "political posturing" by saying the pledge of allegiance to our country ? Posturing by a young child ? Posturing by a band who (if you think about it ) may just actually have a deep love of country ? Perhaps all members are veterans ? Don't know, but there are many possibilities !
Have you not seen people come to their feet at the playing of a college anthem, or at hearing a hymn like Amazing Grace ? Would those who stand, or sit, be considered "better", or "worse" Christians ? What is the REAL harm in emotionally reacting at a public entertainment, who is actually harmed ? And exactly does that indicate a lack of respect, or patriotism ? Perhaps a more accurate measure would just be the percentage of people who turn their back on the flag and anthem when presented ? The logic is missing here, we KNOW what is customary (standing in respect), but certainly there is NO flagrant disrespect for country, or God, by also reacting emotionally to many melodies !! Also, no one has the same experiences, but, I HAVE seen people (truckers in this case) going down the highway and saluting a passing flag. I did not, and do not, judge them disrespectful or non-patriotic for that ! Have also seen many salute the flag covering a casket, including my father's.

There's no harm in choosing to stand for a song, just as there's no harm in choosing to sit for it. Americans have that freedom of choice - we are not obligated by law to stand for the Pledge, the Anthem, or Oh MacDonald Had a Farm. We can sit, or lay down, or kneel, or walk away, or turn our backs. That is what our military fights for - that freedom of choice.

That is the POINT of those songs and pledges. To express that - thanks to our ancestors and the Founding Fathers, we have that freedom of choice.

Anyone who has a problem with me not standing for any of these things, has a problem with the freedom of choice. You can consider it tacky to not stand. And I can consider you unpatriotic for criticizing it.

A patriot embraces the freedoms that we have. That includes the freedom to NOT stand for the pledge or the National Anthem when they're not presented at the appropriate times.

PS I also don't kneel for the cross. I'm not christian, Jews kneel before god, and no one else.

Where did America go where exactly where the people wanted it to go socialist communism my opinion

If you don't respect our country more than that, why don't you leave???

Sad that you need the government to define what is patriotic and what is not. Apparantly, this person can't think for themselves. Sad....

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)

"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.

No surprises here!

We better do something very soon to UNITE this country for our freedoms or just kiss them goodbye.

Hmmm. Recital of the Pledge of Allegiance is viewed as a PR stunt and thus people refused to show their Allegiance?
They used to recite The Pledge before the school day started every day. Done to instill patriotism.
Perhaps we need a reminder of what it means to be a citizen and be a member of this Republic that so many have sacrificed themselves to preserve. Our veterans are not the only ones who have made sacrifices... many citizens have fought for rights of citizens as well, i.e. abolition of slavery, civil rights, rights to vote, women's rights.
Our Republic is not perfect, but in my opinion, it has helped create the only Nation in the world I want to call home.
So, what is wrong with showing a little patriotism? Is it really to much to ask for to expect (you do have the right to refuse) our citizens to show a little respect and remind us that we owe a little Allegiance to this great Nation?
Says a lot about American citizens today.

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2207175)

It's ironic that those who yell the loudest about fighting for your freedom are also those that yell the loudest when you exercise those freedoms.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

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Originally Posted by Dantes (Post 2207178)

Where did America go where exactly where the people wanted it to go socialist communism my opinion

You do know that socialism and communism are two different things....right????
Under socialism, all citizens share equally in economic resources as allocated by a democratically-elected government. Example: Social Security and Medicare.

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Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 2207194)

The pledge of allegiance at elementary schools was recited to promote conformity, not patriotism. Most 1st graders have no idea what it even means. They don't know what a Republic is, they don't understand what "allegiance" means, they're still working on addition and subtraction and wouldn't know what indivisible means, what liberty or justice is, and who comprises this "all" who gets that liberty and justice.

They don't even learn the history of the pledge itself til around Junior High (middle school). There's nothing wrong with the pledge first thing after the bell in school, I'm fine with that. It's a good way to instill discipline and group cooperation in kids, when they're all reciting the same thing at the same time. But they could just as easily recite a Mother Goose rhyme and it'd have the same effect.

I stand for the pledge, when it's appropriate to recite it, or when there is a specific need to recite it. Such as the group I volunteer for, they're mostly dementia patients. Routine, a "thing to grasp onto" in reality - is incredibly important to them. And many of them are veterans. I'll stand for them, to show them that they aren't alone in their minds, that we are all participating together. But that is WHY I'm standing for the pledge during that time. It has nothing to do with patriotism. It has to do with being humane toward a group of people I care very much about.