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JMintzer 04-13-2023 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2207054)
Exactly. I'm a vet too and the only song I'll stand for is the national anthem. Standing for Greenwood's song spread in the villages like a cult.
The thread was never about standing for Greenwood's song...

The original poster even clarified that point!

DonH57 04-13-2023 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2207063)
The thread was never about standing for Greenwood's song...

The original poster even clarified that point!
I went back and read it. I don't see a clarification between the girl singing and the song. What's your reason to attack me? Because I view different?

I'm Popeye! 04-13-2023 08:32 PM
Just think about this: what OLD people are thinking about this on here; I wonder what these YOUNG college kids feel about it.
I know, Asta La Vista America, you are no more.

fdpaq0580 04-13-2023 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2207013)
There was no Christian right back in the mid 50's, rather the Under god was added by the power of the Knights of Columbus as a way to promote their view of how we should differ from "godless" Communism. It was during the peak of McCarthyism and blacklists and checking for Commies under your bed that we got the additional verbiage.
That was a long time ago. I had forgotten. I stand corrected. Thank you!

Two Bills 04-14-2023 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2207031)
But the real question is: Did anyone in that era ever find a communist under their bed?????
Given some of the paranoid responses on TOTV. many are still looking.
Just because you can't see them, it doesn't mean they are not there.:icon_wink:

PersonOfInterest 04-14-2023 05:03 AM
I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.

Sandy and Ed 04-14-2023 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.
At first reading this response I said “what the hell!!!” After thinking a bit more I agree with the points made but I will still stand to acknowledge the message in the song. As for the pledge, I would recite that whenever and wherever without a second thought.

Sandy and Ed 04-14-2023 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207107)
I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.
No comment. Shame we don’t have a simple “thumbs down” emoji.

Topgun 1776 04-14-2023 05:31 AM
Totally agree! Air Force retiree here!!!

GizmoWhiskers 04-14-2023 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2206868)
It's a very good song that is also the lead in for a speech from a certain politican. Many people know this and it's a shame this song is closely attributed to him. As a Viet Nam veteran I too only stand for the Pledge and our National Anthem.
That song became famous in the 9/11 era if my old mind serves me correctly.

GizmoWhiskers 04-14-2023 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2206842)
"proud to be an american" is not a nationally recognized official song for this country and it's an insult to America when people DO stand for it. It puts it as equal to the National Anthem, which IS an officially recognized song of this country.

Just like you don't stand and salute the flag of Iowa when someone drives down the road with that flag poking up from their golf cart, or when someone sings Kumbaya.

I will not stand for that song until/unless the Nation selects it to replace the National Anthem.

As for the pledge of allegiance, it seems to be political posturing to recite it before a musical entertainment show and degrades the significance of it.

I wouldn't stand then, either.
Pledge of allegence used to equal STAND; and a CHILD leading it... represent. How terrible for a child to see old adults sitting that could stand for the PLEDGE, not a song that is not the anthem. Just a thought.

me4vt 04-14-2023 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2206940)
I don’t see the point in saying the pledge before a clay modeling class at a rec center………………..
This is really being done?
Similar to opening in prayer!

Bill14564 04-14-2023 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2207118)
That song became famous in the 9/11 era if my old mind serves me correctly.
The Greenwood song? I first remember it being popular during the first Gulf War in the early 90s.

skyking 04-14-2023 05:57 AM
I agree with the original post. (Army officer.)

me4vt 04-14-2023 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2207107)
I don't understand why the Pledge is used at so many functions that have nothing to do with loyalty to the U.S. The pledge and song represent the freedom of a country where you should have the right / freedom to say the pledge or not and sit or stand for the song at your choosing. Why do you feel someone owes 'duty' to this country just because they were born here? There are also religious references in the Pledge as well. How do you think a Muslim, Hindu or atheist feel spouting loyalty to 'One Nation Under God'? If this country is going to Demand loyalty from everyone who is born here, then its not the country of Freedom that the pledge and song are about.
We’re living in America where they choose to live! The Pledge is basically showing You believe in our Flag and America. Like opening in Prayer, showing People, In GOD we Trust!


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