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daverobertson2000 07-08-2017 05:31 AM

my rental 4 seater does 24.9 when im alone but with four large adults i cant reach 20. If it was pre set at 20 i would barely be crawling with it loaded

rustyp 07-08-2017 05:47 AM

Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.

birdiebill 07-08-2017 06:03 AM

I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.

Villageswimmer 07-08-2017 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1421912)
Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.


Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

rustyp 07-08-2017 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1421918)
Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

Yea - I've noticed the courts have a full docket of golf cart speeding cases.

keithwand 07-08-2017 07:15 AM

TV is only offering what other golf cart stores have been doing forever due to the demand of requests from villagers.
Most carts have speedometers standard. If yours doesn't it's time to get one.
Speed and get caught it's your problem; no one elses.

Mleeja 07-08-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi33 (Post 1421878)
I am sorry. but I hope they know who you are or can set a timeline to know you. I know the people there and they are very kind people. The is no legal limit someone can set your cart to do,. You have a warranty and insurance. Personally I heard someone came for repairs and had their cart boosted over 25 pre repair and they warned them that they wouldn't service them again. IMHO, I think the speed limit is 19-20, and the warranty is void over 25. So, you can be set at 24 and if you choose to, then what happens will happen. Also, this is a stupid thread and disrespecting a group that helps so many.

And seriously 18 20 22? Really. We aren't talking 18 to 35

oh, and isn't the Villages full of adults?

I think you have misinterpreted my posting. All I am saying the Sumter County Sheriff's office warned the cart dealers not to set the speeds above 20 mph. If a reader is concerned, they can search this forum and probably find the exact letter. I believe it was posted. My carts is set for 20 mph which is fine for me. If someone wants to go faster it is their choice. I fail to see where I was "disrespecting a group that helps so many"

ColdNoMore 07-08-2017 07:35 AM

Here is an interesting story, on someone who was cited for excessive golf cart speed on Morse Blvd.

Golf Cart Citation Story

NotGolfer 07-08-2017 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1421938)
Here is an interesting story, on someone who was cited for excessive golf cart speed on Morse Blvd.

Golf Cart Citation Story

Doncha just love it when folks don't think it's a big deal about speeding in their carts and dispute any posts re: that??? Thank you for posting this (I've seen it a few times before)!

GatorFan 07-08-2017 10:00 AM

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dbussone 07-08-2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 1421942)
Doncha just love it when folks don't think it's a big deal about speeding in their carts and dispute any posts re: that??? Thank you for posting this (I've seen it a few times before)!



Thanks. That's pretty scary to think one might end up with a felony record for exceeding 20 MPH.


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Topspinmo 07-08-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1421686)
I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Nope, the bottom line the driver takes ALL responsibility for the cart and speed. End of story.

Topspinmo 07-08-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1421723)
Cars have speedometers, golf carts do not--if I bought a new golf cart and or I had one recently serviced ,I would bring a copy of the sales/service order& drag the company into court as a co-defendant--I know some lawyer would quote chapter & verse--but if enough people did this the carts would be certified @ less than 20 mph when sold not after you get a violation--really these shops should have their certification pulled, as to being a certified shop for remediation

Well, if you told them to set it higher it would be YOUR FAULT, your are the driver and you are responsible

twoplanekid 07-08-2017 11:52 AM

If you want to go faster than 20, here is the State of Florida affidavit for golf cart modified to a low speed vehicle.

--> http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BFO/86064.pdf

Topspinmo 07-08-2017 11:52 AM

I could care less what other people do. I know the law and I obey. My cart goes exactly 20 MPH. Verified by village golf carts, speedometer, and radar. If I'm going down hill I don't keep it floor boarded cause I know it will creep up to 22 MPH going Down hill. I don't have to worry about it going up hill cause it will only do 19.6 MPH up hill. I could give s&&& less who's going faster (it's none of my business, it's law enforcement business) or who's tailgating me. When I get my cart serviced I expect it to set IAW the law and if asked do I want it set faster my answer will be NO! The responsibility falls on me.

rustyp 07-08-2017 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1421998)
Thanks. That's pretty scary to think one might end up with a felony record for exceeding 20 MPH.


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Please help me find where it states this is a felony offense. That means if convicted of a 21 mph golf cart citation you have lost your right to vote for the rest of your life amongst other very serious consequences.

Barefoot 07-08-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1421692)
This has been discussed ad nauseam. Cars and golf carts are different with respect to the law.

That won't prevent us from discussing it again ad nauseam. :popcorn:

ColdNoMore 07-08-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1422025)
That won't prevent us from discussing it again ad nauseam. :popcorn: .


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(Ad nauseam)
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dbussone 07-08-2017 01:19 PM

Villages Golf Cart Store Breaks The Law?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1422020)
Please help me find where it states this is a felony offense. That means if convicted of a 21 mph golf cart citation you have lost your right to vote for the rest of your life amongst other very serious consequences.



Fully read the link in post # 48

In the US, a "felony" is a classification of crime, generally defined as any crime that poses the risk of imprisonment for more than one year.

The total of potential jail time for the criminal acts involved far exceeds 1 year.

I'm no lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.


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Barefoot 07-08-2017 01:27 PM

I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
It is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.
Perhaps the person with whom I spoke wasn't qualified to give an opinion
. :shrug:

rustyp 07-08-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1422039)
Fully read the link in post # 48

In the US, a "felony" is a classification of crime, generally defined as any crime that poses the risk of imprisonment for more than one year.

The total of potential jail time for the criminal acts involved far exceeds 1 year.

I'm no lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.


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I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.

NoMoSno 07-08-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1422042)
I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
It is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.
Perhaps the person with whom I spoke wasn't qualified to give an opinion
. :shrug:

That's what I was told by my insurance company also.
He said in the 18 years he has been writing GC insurance there has never been an instance where a cart was impounded and checked for speed....:shrug:

dbussone 07-08-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1422050)
I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.



Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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rustyp 07-08-2017 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1422087)
Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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No help - fake news !

dbussone 07-08-2017 07:06 PM

Villages Golf Cart Store Breaks The Law?
 
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1422117)
No help - fake news !



Maybe somewhat incorrect, but hardly fake. He paid almost $500 in fines and a lesser plea to avoid a criminal finding.

Don't believe it. Maybe you're the fake news propagator.

At this point I'd hope Carl from Tampa might weigh in.


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rubicon 07-09-2017 05:25 AM

This topic keeps getting repeated because some resident got a bee in his bonnet because he/she was passed on the MMP. Ever get behind a cart going 12-15 mph and see that the driver has planted himself/herself firmly in the middle of the MMP so that no one dare pass them?

Are you a resident who desires to travel as far north or south of The Villages in order to take advantage of every amenity? If so do you believe the laws that apply to golf carts still apply now?

does anyone recall where speed was cited as the major cause of an accident? and for that manner even cited as the cause? or was it distraction, an automobile that ran into a golf cart, a heart attack or other medical issue that was the cause.

This topic continues ad nauseam because a few residents have an absolute belief that they wish to impose on all.

It would seem to me that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy would work here just fine. Or in other words live and let live

mtdjed 07-09-2017 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1422010)
If you want to go faster than 20, here is the State of Florida affidavit for golf cart modified to a low speed vehicle.

--> http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BFO/86064.pdf

So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?

Jannygirl 07-09-2017 07:35 AM

Omg. Cut me a break, you're talking 5 mph not 30 and on a golf cart trail not the road. My motto has always been worry about yourself and what you do, not anyone else so if you don't agree with upping the speed- very simple don't do it

twoplanekid 07-09-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1422248)
So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?

Good question!
In an August, 2015 news article found on the other online news, it says and I quote:
” County Administrator Bradley Arnold sent a letter to about a half dozen Sumter County golf cart sellers last month, telling them they should not sell golf carts capable of exceeding 20 mph. Golf cart sales businesses in Lake and Marion counties also serve The Villages.

“Due to the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office citing golf carts exceeding 20 mph, this letter is a reminder that modifying or selling golf carts not in compliance with Florida Statute 319.14 is illegal,” Arnold’s letter stated.

However, that statute deals with vehicles titled and registered as low-speed vehicles that can be converted to golf carts. These converted vehicles become unregistered and may not exceed 20 mph on public roads, according to the statute. They also must display a decal on the back that says: “CONVERTED vehicle: Max speed 20 mph.””

319.14 covers more than just a golf cart conversion.
Nevertheless, it's a good question!

Chatbrat 07-09-2017 09:01 AM

Had a friend who purchased a used Par Car- it was capable of over 30 mph-well the first day he was driving it-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going

If all LEO's did this-IMHO- there is a record of the violation & in the case of a second offense-get the full penalty

Barefoot 07-09-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1422300)
-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going

If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:

golfing eagles 07-09-2017 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1422364)
If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:

Do you have this problem with dog sleds and snowmobiles at this time of year in the frozen tundra????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

jsw14 07-09-2017 01:57 PM

I have NO problem pass'in Sunday drivers on the golf cart path Monday--Saturday.........

Carl in Tampa 07-09-2017 03:33 PM

Legally. Just because........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by birdiebill (Post 1421915)
I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.

:agree:

It seems so simple. But people talk all around the facts. The dealership has not broken the law.

The vehicle is no longer considered a golf cart under Florida law. If operated on the paved roads within the individual Villages it must be registered and insured as a LSV or it is being operated illegally.

Those are the facts. Now, it is true that it is unlikely that the police will expend any of their limited resources on seeking out and citing people operating carts capable of exceeding 20 mph, but an accident, traffic crash, or some other unusual event may bring illegal carts to their attention.

To each his own. I prefer to operate legally.

rustyp 07-09-2017 05:13 PM

Here is one that will cause more controversy than one can shake a stick at. It is illegal for a golf cart registered as a LSV to travel n the golf cart lane in The Villages. They are considered a motor vehicle. From a legal standpoint it would be the same as you driving your car in those lanes. To add to more controversy if you have registered your golf cart as a LSV you can not just ignore the renewal and declare yourself a golf cart. This is an expensive process to reclassify. Have fun with this factoid. Check your facts carefully before you shoot me - I have done my homework.

Fred R 07-09-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1421686)
I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Well, instead of dozens of people posting about this, why don't you just call them up and tell them if you feel so strongly about this?

TheMoyers 07-10-2017 05:52 AM

I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

rlcooper70 07-10-2017 05:57 AM

I love this post - and the analogy that it is like "selling a gun to a convicted felon". Really? Are you serious? Does every law have the same consequence .... speeding and mugging?

For a gas golf cart almost anyone can adjust it to increase the speed. We are retired ... can we live and let live?

banjobob 07-10-2017 06:28 AM

If 20 MPH is the maximum I offer most of friends carts will do 22-23 straight from the dealership , my cart is capable of more but used with safe common sense as autos are even though they are capable of much more, when you are in the caravan of carts at 15 MPH tempers become very short.


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