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rustyp 07-09-2017 05:13 PM

Here is one that will cause more controversy than one can shake a stick at. It is illegal for a golf cart registered as a LSV to travel n the golf cart lane in The Villages. They are considered a motor vehicle. From a legal standpoint it would be the same as you driving your car in those lanes. To add to more controversy if you have registered your golf cart as a LSV you can not just ignore the renewal and declare yourself a golf cart. This is an expensive process to reclassify. Have fun with this factoid. Check your facts carefully before you shoot me - I have done my homework.

Fred R 07-09-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1421686)
I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Well, instead of dozens of people posting about this, why don't you just call them up and tell them if you feel so strongly about this?

TheMoyers 07-10-2017 05:52 AM

I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

rlcooper70 07-10-2017 05:57 AM

I love this post - and the analogy that it is like "selling a gun to a convicted felon". Really? Are you serious? Does every law have the same consequence .... speeding and mugging?

For a gas golf cart almost anyone can adjust it to increase the speed. We are retired ... can we live and let live?

banjobob 07-10-2017 06:28 AM

If 20 MPH is the maximum I offer most of friends carts will do 22-23 straight from the dealership , my cart is capable of more but used with safe common sense as autos are even though they are capable of much more, when you are in the caravan of carts at 15 MPH tempers become very short.

golfing eagles 07-10-2017 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMoyers (Post 1422576)
I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

Actually, owning a golf cart that can go over 20 is not a violation of the law, however driving it is. Even if you aren't driving over 20, the mere fact that it is capable of going over 20 is a violation. And if you get into an accident, your golf cart insurance will not cover you. If it is capable of going over 20 (and up to 25) you now own a LSV, which must be registered and insured. Is this law enforced? Not often, unless there is an incident, and then you're screwd.

I do agree that this issue is "driven" by those who don't want to get passed. They are the same people who camp out in the left lane of I 75 at 55 mph or the left lane of 466 at 30 mph. Some of them view themselves as the self appointed dictators of forcing others to drive at the speed that THEY think they should. They are also some of the same people that will cruise a one lane road posted 60 at 40 mph with a parade behind them, UNTIL there is a passing zone, then they speed up to 80 so no one can pass, then back to 40 once it is one lane again. Who cares if someone passes you in an illegal golf cart going 28, it's not your problem. Unsafe passing is a different issue entirely.

twoplanekid 07-10-2017 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMoyers (Post 1422576)
I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

???? From my post # 17

From the Florida statute 210.01 Definitions, general

(22) “Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.


Capable of exceeding speeds of 20 requires the cart to be registered as a LSV in Florida. see post # 54

MDLNB 07-10-2017 07:07 AM

It is not unlawful for a garage to increase the speed of a golf cart. It is the obligation of the owner to then get it registered. Do not blame the garage for following the customer's instruction. Blame the person for driving that same cart without first getting it registered.

In my opinion, registered golf carts should not be allowed on the multi-modal paths in The Villages, but they do and they pass at speeds up to 30mph on a consistent basis. There are no speed limits on private property, or I should add, no enforceable speed limits on private property.

Villagesgal 07-10-2017 07:13 AM

Why not just talk to the Sumter County Sheriff's people about it? They are the only ones who know the law. Simple as that. Everyone else is just giving their opinion.

merrymini 07-10-2017 07:13 AM

What a nuisance these rules are! Rules that protect me on the road or those that protect me from thieves or destruction to my property. Giving consideration to people around me by following the rules, what a pain! I should be able to do what I want, whenever I want and disregard the rules because I'm me! This is a chant either from a lawless culture or a three year old child. Look around, your life is governed by all kinds of rules which makes our lives safe and comfortable, enforce them!

toeser 07-10-2017 07:15 AM

Not my experience
 
I had the opposite experience. I was told they would not set the governor for more than the legal speed limit. Same garage.

Villagesgal 07-10-2017 07:16 AM

You are basically saying you have no idea as to whether or not it is legal. Check with the Sheriff's office they know the. law.

xcaligirl 07-10-2017 07:17 AM

I agree with Gracie. My car will do over 100mph however I don't drive anything but 5 mph over the speed limit on the freeway/turnpike. Even if someone is driving 17mph doesn't mean they are driving safe! I think they need to concentrate on the quality of the driver around here, not if someone is going 21mph to pass a slow moving cart. I've seen way too many reckless drivers and they weren't exactly speeding, not to mention alcohol induced drivers!

OhioBuckeye 07-10-2017 07:36 AM

Everytime I take my cart in to get it serviced they always have me sign a waver to check my cart speed to see if it's only running 20 mph. That's fine & my cart does run 20 mph on cart paths that are flat, if it has a little grade, no way it'll run 20 mph. Up hill like on Stillwater Path where there's a couple of hills & my cart will only run 14.7 mph. Also ANY cart in TV that I see behind me no matter how far behind it will catch up to me & pass me like I'm sitting still, so what I'm saying the 20 mph so-called laws we have is a bunch of bull, I've only lived here for 6 yrs. & I have NEVER EVER seen a cart pulled over for speeding! Besides I really can't believe all of the carts that pass me have been sped up by the owner. Besides why does everyone want their cart to set land speed record, where they going to be in such a hurry, also I thought this was a semi-retirement community, what's the hurry!

pprentice 07-10-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1421686)
I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

They do. If they clock you over 20 on the path then the second your tires touch the street they will ticket you for speeding and for driving an unregistered vehicle. That may be a felony. Then you go to court, pay court fines, you are required to have the dealer reset the speed and return to court, more fees, with the proof.
Not worth it.
You can't cure stupid!


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