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rustyp 07-08-2017 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1422039)
Fully read the link in post # 48

In the US, a "felony" is a classification of crime, generally defined as any crime that poses the risk of imprisonment for more than one year.

The total of potential jail time for the criminal acts involved far exceeds 1 year.

I'm no lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.


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I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.

NoMoSno 07-08-2017 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1422042)
I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
It is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.
Perhaps the person with whom I spoke wasn't qualified to give an opinion. :shrug:
That's what I was told by my insurance company also.
He said in the 18 years he has been writing GC insurance there has never been an instance where a cart was impounded and checked for speed....:shrug:

dbussone 07-08-2017 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1422050)
I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.


Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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rustyp 07-08-2017 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1422087)
Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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No help - fake news !

dbussone 07-08-2017 07:06 PM
Villages Golf Cart Store Breaks The Law?
 
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1422117)
No help - fake news !


Maybe somewhat incorrect, but hardly fake. He paid almost $500 in fines and a lesser plea to avoid a criminal finding.

Don't believe it. Maybe you're the fake news propagator.

At this point I'd hope Carl from Tampa might weigh in.


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Moderator 07-08-2017 09:36 PM
This thread topic is about a business setting the speed of a golf cart more than 20 mph. Off topic posts have been removed. Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed. Thank you.

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rubicon 07-09-2017 05:25 AM
This topic keeps getting repeated because some resident got a bee in his bonnet because he/she was passed on the MMP. Ever get behind a cart going 12-15 mph and see that the driver has planted himself/herself firmly in the middle of the MMP so that no one dare pass them?

Are you a resident who desires to travel as far north or south of The Villages in order to take advantage of every amenity? If so do you believe the laws that apply to golf carts still apply now?

does anyone recall where speed was cited as the major cause of an accident? and for that manner even cited as the cause? or was it distraction, an automobile that ran into a golf cart, a heart attack or other medical issue that was the cause.

This topic continues ad nauseam because a few residents have an absolute belief that they wish to impose on all.

It would seem to me that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy would work here just fine. Or in other words live and let live

mtdjed 07-09-2017 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by twoplanekid (Post 1422010)
If you want to go faster than 20, here is the State of Florida affidavit for golf cart modified to a low speed vehicle.

--> http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BFO/86064.pdf
So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?

Jannygirl 07-09-2017 07:35 AM
Omg. Cut me a break, you're talking 5 mph not 30 and on a golf cart trail not the road. My motto has always been worry about yourself and what you do, not anyone else so if you don't agree with upping the speed- very simple don't do it

twoplanekid 07-09-2017 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 1422248)
So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?
Good question!
In an August, 2015 news article found on the other online news, it says and I quote:
” County Administrator Bradley Arnold sent a letter to about a half dozen Sumter County golf cart sellers last month, telling them they should not sell golf carts capable of exceeding 20 mph. Golf cart sales businesses in Lake and Marion counties also serve The Villages.

“Due to the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office citing golf carts exceeding 20 mph, this letter is a reminder that modifying or selling golf carts not in compliance with Florida Statute 319.14 is illegal,” Arnold’s letter stated.

However, that statute deals with vehicles titled and registered as low-speed vehicles that can be converted to golf carts. These converted vehicles become unregistered and may not exceed 20 mph on public roads, according to the statute. They also must display a decal on the back that says: “CONVERTED vehicle: Max speed 20 mph.””

319.14 covers more than just a golf cart conversion.
Nevertheless, it's a good question!

Chatbrat 07-09-2017 09:01 AM
Had a friend who purchased a used Par Car- it was capable of over 30 mph-well the first day he was driving it-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going

If all LEO's did this-IMHO- there is a record of the violation & in the case of a second offense-get the full penalty

Barefoot 07-09-2017 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1422300)
-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going
If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:

golfing eagles 07-09-2017 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1422364)
If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:
Do you have this problem with dog sleds and snowmobiles at this time of year in the frozen tundra????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

jsw14 07-09-2017 01:57 PM
I have NO problem pass'in Sunday drivers on the golf cart path Monday--Saturday.........

Carl in Tampa 07-09-2017 03:33 PM
Legally. Just because........
 
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Originally Posted by birdiebill (Post 1421915)
I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.
:agree:

It seems so simple. But people talk all around the facts. The dealership has not broken the law.

The vehicle is no longer considered a golf cart under Florida law. If operated on the paved roads within the individual Villages it must be registered and insured as a LSV or it is being operated illegally.

Those are the facts. Now, it is true that it is unlikely that the police will expend any of their limited resources on seeking out and citing people operating carts capable of exceeding 20 mph, but an accident, traffic crash, or some other unusual event may bring illegal carts to their attention.

To each his own. I prefer to operate legally.


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