They own the courses, they set the rules, and we have the choice to play or not to play here. It is like the person complaining about dress code, again they set the rules. You (we) make not like it but it is their house.

Ain't the way Harold would have done it!

Did they even have a golf course when he built his mobile home park?

Well Harold isn't here and hasn't been here for a long time. We are in the present the the past.

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I see this post died and went to heaven. Another win for the Villages who seem to get away with anything they set their minds to.

Talking or posting about it, won't change a thing.

You have to hit them in their pocketbook, so it's cheaper to changed things than continue with the status quo.

Maybe get 1500 of your golfing friends, to pick a specific day and not play golf.

He built the Orange Blossom course first, then sold manufactured homes around the course. They are not mobile homes, they are manufactured homes that are on blocks, not a poured foundation.

If they were built/manufactured prior to 1976, they are Mobile Homes.

In 1976, HUD re-designated "mobile homes" as "manufactured housing".

They are the same.

From Wiki:

From the Google machine:

"In the early 1970s, Schwartz turned his focus from mail-order land sales to land development. Schwartz, along with business partner Al Tarrson, founded Orange Blossom Gardens, a mobile home park in Central Florida located off of US Highway 27-441. Using land leftover from his mail-order land sales business, Schwartz began selling homes to retirees. Initially, sales were slow, with only about 400 homes being built in the original development.

In 1983, Schwartz, unsatisfied with the progress, bought out Tarrson's interest in the business and brought in his son, advertising executive, H. Gary Morse as a business partner. Together, Schwartz and Morse increased sales at Orange Blossom Gardens exponentially and created interest in the growing community.

In 1992, the name of the development was changed from Orange Blossom Gardens to The Villages"

I did not based my #'s on 100% Tee Time Used. I based it on 70% usage.

There are approximately 4300 Tee Times available every day. 70% usage is 3010/day. They are open 364 days per year. My estimate was 1,095,000 rounds per year.

My estimate may be off by about 90,000 rounds.

I've since found some published information on the number of rounds played on the Championship courses. in 2019, there were approximately 717,124 rounds played (see attached). If Championship rounds increased at the same rate as Executive course rounds, that would yield approximately 975,000 rounds. Also, Southern Oaks wasn't open in 2019. The "course average" for rounds played is 60,000 (+/- guess, because some courses are 27 holes). A reasonable approximation for 2022 is 1 million rounds played.

Consider shop sales, cart rental, on course beverages, GHIN, guest & resident greens fees + Enhanced member fees, the yield must be at least $80/round. Restaurant F&B still count, as the Developer either revenue shares with the Operators or rent reflects the fact that the Developer essentially supplies 60,000 golfer/customers per year + the non-golfing customers.

I estimated that the Championship Golf operation is worth about $100,000,000 year in revenue. After estimating revenue based an entirely different approach (I didn't have to guess at Tee Time usage, seasonal variations, etc.) I still come up with the same number. Golf is a $100,000,000/year business for the Developer.

Maybe I'm off 20% ... ok, so it's an $80,000,000 business.

Or maybe I'm off 20% the other way and it's a $120,000,000 business.

The fact remains, it's a huge cash cow for the Developer.

What is "#'s"?

Most of us do not understand hieroglyphics.

based on his NUMBERS. Standard internet shorthand.

Welcome back!

Was on the most ridiculous vacation ever. No further comment.

Aren't they all?

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